Suns State of the Union

[MaryvalesFinest]

i can see why some ppl would have a problem with Nash having so much control but MVF.. this is for you.. you CLEARLY complain the most about the management, how we dont get young talent and just keep giving the potentials away. am i wrong? so you have an issue with Nash having a say in trades and such when you clearly dont like the other 2 morons making the moves (kerr & sarver) granted kerr has SEMI redeemed himself i like the fact that nash would like to "weigh" in on any potential teams.

i can understand when you have an issue with ppl getting to controlling in mangement aka don nelson, mike D and ppl such as that but nash has always been LOGICAL with all the moves that he thought were wrong or right for that matter. yes he hated to see his best friend go but ALL of us spent the most of last year saying man i wish we still had raja... yes he did have injuries and washed up a little but i can for a fact say that we would have liked to have raja keep trying here than have J Rich.

idk i personally dont see an issue with this at all, he's smart and cares about the game and his team and teammates, but then again thats just my opinion.

That's insane, Nash is no Lebron, Wade or Kobe. He's not even the best player on his own team! He's a 36 year old washed up point guard that doesn't play defense and management is basically giving him control of the team?

I'm not sure how you can say that he's not the best player. Washed up? There IS more to basketball than defense. I respect your opinion that he isn't you're favorite player, but numbers do NOT lie.

PPG: Up 4 points from his career average. (18.4)
Assists: Up 3 assists per game from his career average. (11.2)
FG%: Up 5 percent from his career average. (53.95)

thats the best stats ive seen of a washed up 36 year old back to back MVP... hmmm

If Nash would be objective it wouldn't make a difference but this is the same guy that was almost crying when Bell and Diaw were traded. He also seems content and doesn't like change, I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns had a bunch of deals on the table that can improve the team but Nash said no because he was sentamentle or didn't want to change anything. GM's are supposed to GM and that's Kerr's jobs, even if he does a bad job he's still the GM so unless they promote Nash to GM this is just crazy.

[Sreister]

If Nash would be objective it wouldn't make a difference but this is the same guy that was almost crying when Bell and Diaw were traded. He also seems content and doesn't like change, I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns had a bunch of deals on the table that can improve the team but Nash said no because he was sentamentle or didn't want to change anything. GM's are supposed to GM and that's Kerr's jobs, even if he does a bad job he's still the GM so unless they promote Nash to GM this is just crazy.

So are you promoting a dictatorship? At least in the confines of a basketball franchise? Because that's exactly your reasoning. Are you telling me that One head is better than Two? Because as far as MOST things go, a collective assessment of a situation is typically preferred to a lone assessment.

[lilfishi22]

If Nash would be objective it wouldn't make a difference but this is the same guy that was almost crying when Bell and Diaw were traded. He also seems content and doesn't like change, I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns had a bunch of deals on the table that can improve the team but Nash said no because he was sentamentle or didn't want to change anything. GM's are supposed to GM and that's Kerr's jobs, even if he does a bad job he's still the GM so unless they promote Nash to GM this is just crazy.

It was also the same guy who supported the Shaq trade when it was clear to management, fans, the team and him that the person most likely to be affected by bringing Shaq in would be him. He may not have had the kind of control he has now but it was clear that he endorsed a deal that would put us over the hump even at the cost of his own game.

So please, stop using Bell and Diaw as justification of why Nash having more control is a problem, any person whose been through the thick and thin together would be sad to see their friend and team mate get traded.

[harshey1388]

like what? what deals could possibly immediately make us that much better? seriously? we dont have picks that can make us even properly rebuild.. you can put that one on Kerr not nash. how can you be objective in this situation? i care less about diaw and his crap but bell was the heart and soul of this team for that time period, he put himself on the line to make suns fans happy and put kobe down on his @$$. if your a point guard or a QB or anything in a sport where you make things go and you trust in someone like he did as a friend and player in bell. you would be crying too.

[Frank Lee]

They'll make the playoffs, for sure -- 100% -- count on it. How far they get, is another question in and of itself.

I think its 50-50 % they make the playoffs .... and 100% early exit if they do.


Traxxe laying out what most here perceived... The goals to make the playoffs and cut salary... sheesh



This organization/front orfice is a lame duck with a limp dick. Their goals are to maintain mediocrity for a couple yrs ??? Then rebuild for what ??? More mediocrity ? (And with this, we expect Stat to stay ??? hahaha...)

I am really at a crossroad here... on one hand I want to rebuild ASAP and get on with a championship quest and on the other I'd like us to do well... but for what ? Just to allow Sarver to make more (or lose less) money ??? wake up folks... because that is exactly what Traxxey spelled out.

Furthermore, I am not pleased with Nash's happy go lucky warm F-n fuzzy environment attitude anymore. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT A CHAMPIONSHIP. It does not burn in him. Yet, he is the leader.... and this/his sh!+ rolls downhill. We've become a kinder, gentler team. If I read one more 'positive spin' comment about chemistry, I will combust. Lets see how that chemistry class behaves when we get spanked down some more and find ourselves on a bunsen burner. Is it blasphemy to think we would be better off if Nash took his lab coat elsewhere ? Remove the emotion variable from the equation, and it becomes elemental. It will be Status Quo for the remainder of his deal. That is their plan ! .... ????

Frankly, these jackasses have made a choice to keep Nash to assure ticket sales, and are not concerned about anything more than turning a profit. I like Nash. He is the consummate pro, a great team mate, and all around good guy. But it is too late to build around him. We do not have the players/assets to move to get what we need for us to be viable contenders. We will not spend money to add them as well. We have pieced together a flimsy roster with castoffs and hopefuls. If it was not for Stat, we would be laughed at around the league.... and the way it seems, we are already providing a good chuckle.

[nashill]

suns will make the playoffs and i believe that we have a chance of beating any team in the west except lakers.... but we need to end up 2nd or 3rd to avoid the lakers in the 2nd round and let the denver upset the lakers...

suns fans are in panic mode again... tsk tsk..

[Frank Lee]

I don't see anyone panicking. so tsk tsk yourself.

suns will make the playoffs

Yup... you and your crystal ball have it all figured out. Take nothing for granted with this team. If anything, that should be apparent.

we have a chance of beating any team in the west except lakers.

You might as well work for Kerr...

You know, it used to be, not that long ago, that we throttled the also-rans, but had probs with the real contenders. Now we have potential problems with everyone, especially if our shooters dont get off. We are just not that good.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Furthermore, I am not pleased with Nash's happy go lucky warm F-n fuzzy environment attitude anymore. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT A CHAMPIONSHIP.

Well said

[DBrimstone]

Furthermore, I am not pleased with Nash's happy go lucky warm F-n fuzzy environment attitude anymore. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT A CHAMPIONSHIP.

Well said

That's my whole beef with this situation. He said at the beginning of the year that championships don't define players and that MAKING the playoffs was the goal. Getting past the 1st round isn't even that big a priority. We need a Mark Cuban or Danny Ferry who wants nothing more than to win a championship in charge here. We'll never get there with Sarver trying to line his own pockets with our money. We've got trade able pieces that could bring in plenty of draft picks and young talent (Amare, LB, and dare I say Nash) as well as J-Rich's expiring next year. But it won't happen. Nash'll get old and I expect Amare to leave because he's gotta know we're not serious about winning a championship. He said himself he'll seek his best chance to win it all. The soonest we could possibly be in that conversation is in like 5 or 6 years, and by then He'll be 33... So we can expect to be the next edition of the beginning of the centuries King's. Championship contenders, dropped to the worst in the league for years on end.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Furthermore, I am not pleased with Nash's happy go lucky warm F-n fuzzy environment attitude anymore. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT A CHAMPIONSHIP.

Well said

That's my whole beef with this situation. He said at the beginning of the year that championships don't define players and that MAKING the playoffs was the goal. Getting past the 1st round isn't even that big a priority. We need a Mark Cuban or Danny Ferry who wants nothing more than to win a championship in charge here. We'll never get there with Sarver trying to line his own pockets with our money. We've got trade able pieces that could bring in plenty of draft picks and young talent (Amare, LB, and dare I say Nash) as well as J-Rich's expiring next year. But it won't happen. Nash'll get old and I expect Amare to leave because he's gotta know we're not serious about winning a championship. He said himself he'll seek his best chance to win it all. The soonest we could possibly be in that conversation is in like 5 or 6 years, and by then He'll be 33... So we can expect to be the next edition of the beginning of the centuries King's. Championship contenders, dropped to the worst in the league for years on end.

Exactly, I don't know what management is waiting on with Amare they clearly have no plan to give him the max extention so why not trade him? If they let him walk they could end up getting nothing with that capspace through free agency. What the Suns should do is build through the draft, I never understood why they don't do it because rookie contracts are cheaper than signing free agents. The problem now is their stuck in a rut, to bad to go anywhere in the playoffs and to good to get a high lottery pick. It's sad to think about because if you compared Suns management/philosphy to every other team in the league I can't think of any one team they have a better future than...

[tigerblood]

hopefully the draft is strong in 2011, as i'm sure we're in line for a top 10 pick

[MaryvalesFinest]

hopefully the draft is strong in 2011, as i'm sure we're in line for a top 10 pick

2011 is decent, wont be as good as 2010 but probably better than 2009. I only see one franchise changer and that's Perry Jones. There are alot of solid players though like Harrison Barnes, Daniel Orton, Brandon Knight, etc.

[DBrimstone]

Perry Jones would be too sweet to pick up. Looks like a Durant/Carmelo type of player. I personally really like Malcolm Lee, as I have already stated. Lockdown 2 with a developing offensive game. But really, why is management putting of the inevitable? Either we start sucking in rebuild mode next year, or we do in 2 or 3 years. Either way, the recovery will take just as long and you're gonna lose money either way. Except rebuilding involves trading longer contracts for rookie contracts. Portland, Memphis, and OKC are at like 56-58 mil right now. As your young franchise players get older and better, they bring more money into the team while costing more money. It evens out. I just don't see the logic in paying lots of money out to a team that's getting progressively worse. Trade our big contracts for expirings and lots of draft picks, suck a couple years up, and then be good once they get better.

[DBrimstone]

I think we also can't lose sight of the fact that we were picked to not make the playoffs this year and we're doing OK in the big picture. I hate to say that if that's a let down for some people. - Steve Nash http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/ ... #storyjump

Let's settle for mediocrity. That's cool.

There's plenty of trades we could do. They'd just be blowing up the team.

[JohnVancouver]

Where did the statement form Traxxe that Nash wanted to be involved in the process and consulted on the team's direction turn into the accepted wisdom that he is de facto GM? The guy is the face of the franchise, a huge draw for the team and in order to retain him at the end of his career he wanted assurances there wasn't going to be an unexpected about-face in terms of the team's style.
I think two-time MVPs can ask for that sort of inclusion and this team's FO thought having him was worth that.

And so far as I know nash was good pals with Tucker but didn't have a problem with dealing him to retain Collins.

As to MVF's "washed up" line .... it would be funny if Mary didn't actually believe it. Starbury was gonna be the answer but Nash is washed up. Even though I have Mary on ignore people quote the damn posts and I end up reading this madness anyway.
There's no escape. It's like being on a long Greyhound bus-ride and the crazy guy coming down the aisle with a shopping bag full of old newspaper clippings and jars of unidentifiable fluids sees the empty seat beside you and breaks into a huge smile ....