Its time to trade Amare

[thamadkant]

Stoudemire must be kept?

for how much?

10-12 Million a year for 3 years, I agree.

But you dont sign a player like him + with his knees to a max or near it... its franchise suicide.

[dantian]

I cant stand amare and hope for a trade but why would nash be making little youtube videos with amare if he "openly detests" him?

Raja, not Nash.

Over the years, Raja had put out a lot of side jabs to Amare, particularly after Amare said something that was seen as he wanted the #1 status from Nash, and one time Amare called out Bowen for dirty who was Raja's best friend too.

[dantian]

raja's supposed comments of hatred were reported by some schmuck who came to these boards saying he met raja on a streetball court and that raja said amare was arrogant and full of crap etc

hardly a reliable source

amare must be kept!

Arrogant, this makes sense. Guys like Amare, Kobe had huge talent and fame just befell them, while Nash, Bowen, and Raja had to work hard to earn some respect. That's the very source for his detest against Amare.

Also, on the court, he rarely passed the ball to Amare. Anyways, I think the management is smart enough to know that and I doubt they take him here with Amare still on the team.

[Frank Lee]

Trading Amare would be stupid. I hope they're not even thinking about that. Let him walk, if anything.

This has been covered in other places, but I'll summarize again here. If he's traded, we can replace him with equal value, salary-wise. We can trade off his approx. $15m salary and get approx. $15m worth of players back. If we let him walk, we only get to spend the amount of money the team gets below the cap. I don't have the exact figures in front of me, but I believe if Amare's approx. $15m of salary comes off the books, the Suns will then be approx. $8m under the cap at that point. So, if he just walks, the Suns are basically trading in Amare for a mid-level exception type free agent.

If the Suns have no intention of re-signing Amare, it's a far better option to either trade him this season, or sign-and-trade him in the offseason.

I bumped this because this is an excellent point.

After last night's debacle (Indy/Phnx), and the fact that there seems to be very little we can do to alter repeat performances as we do not have the personnel needed.

Do you really think Amare will stay here? Especially since a Miami source has said, they will take the FIRST big FA to commit ? And that NJ is clearing house (najera gone, Williams to be released). And the collection of other wanna B free agent suitors.

And REALIZE if we keep Stat at the price he will command, we will be handcuffed to add any significant pieces to this roster... and it is likely that we remained mired in this mediocrity for yet another season.

Kerr-plunk, and his defensive desires, has to be chompin at the bit to deal. We will be left with nothing but a beautiful bottom line if we let Stat go to the highest bidder. And he will go... for there is very little to entice him to stay. Wouldn't you rather play with Wade or the DHarris/Lopez/who-ever-else-NJ-signs combo... Stat likes to win too remember.... and the money will be there regardless.

I think now, more than ever , a deal is likely. What more do we have to see from this squad ????


PS.... Do not confuse this as an Anti-Amare viewpoint.... this is a Pro-Suns comment. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

[justinb80]

I've actually read more than a few times that Amare's a pretty good teammate, so not sure there was ever any Raja-hate towards him.

[rsavaj]

raja's supposed comments of hatred were reported by some schmuck who came to these boards saying he met raja on a streetball court and that raja said amare was arrogant and full of crap etc

hardly a reliable source

amare must be kept!

Arrogant, this makes sense. Guys like Amare, Kobe had huge talent and fame just befell them, while Nash, Bowen, and Raja had to work hard to earn some respect. That's the very source for his detest against Amare.

Also, on the court, he rarely passed the ball to Amare. Anyways, I think the management is smart enough to know that and I doubt they take him here with Amare still on the team.

Again, without any actual stats to back that up, it's purely your subjective your opinion.

I cant stand amare and hope for a trade but why would nash be making little youtube videos with amare if he "openly detests" him?

Raja, not Nash.

Over the years, Raja had put out a lot of side jabs to Amare, particularly after Amare said something that was seen as he wanted the #1 status from Nash, and one time Amare called out Bowen for dirty who was Raja's best friend too.

Since when were Raja and Bowen BFFs?

[JohnVancouver]

Have to say that I agree Amar'e could easily be gone, either with a signed extension this season or a S+T over the summer - his value is back up there and he could be a real important piece for a lot of teams.
I think we all forget just how good he is

and it might not be the worst thing. Amar'e for Lee, Jeffries, picks had been proposed here, there are other options. Id' hate to see him go as it would really be the end of an era but if you can add several strong players for a superstar you really can't afford, that ain't so terrible.

I think this whole FA 2010 summer thing is going to be far, far different form what has been bandied, though. I think a lot of teams are going to have big capspace and no-one to spend it on.

[TASTIC]

I think he's gone...because the Suns see his value is higher to the rest of the league than he is to us

Jason Thompson for example would put up 18 and 11 here at 1/5th the cost of Amare, and he's a bit bigger

If they could move

Amare + JRich

for

KMartin + Thompson + Nocioni + 1st rd pick

They'd do it...

[justinb80]

I think he's gone...because the Suns see his value is higher to the rest of the league than he is to us

Jason Thompson for example would put up 18 and 11 here at 1/5th the cost of Amare, and he's a bit bigger

If they could move

Amare + JRich

for

KMartin + Thompson + Nocioni + 1st rd pick

They'd do it...

Hmm I'd probably consider this trade. KMart is a bit injury prone for me, but still ... I like Jason Thompson, Nocioni's contract isn't very long, and their first round pick is likely to be in the lottery, even with their improved play.

[aIvin adams]

i just looked that trade up on bomb.com and its certifiably OK w me.

[Blackification]

I don't think sac does that since amare won't resign there.

[aIvin adams]

why wouldnt he?

[SideSwipe]

Trade Option

I'm still not by any means convinced that we need to blow up this team, but here is a take on an Amare trade we might want to consider:

PHX trades:
Stoudemire, Richardson, Griffin, Lopez
PHX receives:
Tmac, Speights, Budinger, Kapono, PHI#1 (8-16 range after trade effect)

Nash/ Dragic
Tmac/ Barbosa/ Budinger
Hill/ Dudley/ Kapono
Speights/ Clark
Frye/ Collins

Draft:
Xavier Henry or Stanley Robinson

PHX gives up a lot of talent in return for getting younger, and adding immense financial flexibility in the 2010 FA class. This move frees up $30 million for this year to split between overall salary savings and free agent acquisitions. It would give us more flexibility to sign another marquee player (Wade) if we needed to. We also might be able to get Tmac to re-up for a reasonable amount in an effot to get a win. All of that and a good pick to build around for the future, with a great young guy in Speights that is getting ready to break out and Budinger, whom I doubted coming out of the U of A, but seems to be making an impact.

HOU trades:
Tmac, Hayes, Budinger
HOU receives:
Iggy, Dalembert, Green

Brooks/ Lowry
Iggy/ Green
Ariza/ Battier/ Dorsey
Scola/ Landry/
Dalembert/ Andersen

HOU gets its wish and trades TMAC and small pieces into formidable talent. They give up some financial felexibility, but I don't think they were figuring to be biig players in the 2010 class. They add Iggy and Dalembert to a team that already plays fairly well without some much need better perimeter ball distribution and athleticism. This trade brings both. Are they willing to take on long-term salary to accomplish that? I think this might make them think about it.

PHI trades:
Iggy, Dalembert, Green, Speights, PHI #1
PHI receives:
Stoudemire, Richardson, Lopez, Griffin

Iverson/ Holiday/ Ivey
Richardson/ Williams
Young/ Carney/ Griffin
Brand/ Smith/
Stoudemire/ Brezec/ Lopez

What a starting 5 that might be. PHI knows they need a change, and they make a major move to facilitate it. With this trade PHI could put together what is arguably the most talented PHI team to play. And that is saying something. Don’t think the wins will translate as perfectly, but that talent level stacks up very well against the big Eastern Conference teams. PHI’s cost is that they give up some mid-term cap flexibility to acquire the shooting and dominance that they have been needing. PHI might have a chance to win another 30 games with this lineup, which could get squeak them into the playoffs. That would be a scary 8 seed to have to face.

Let me know what you think.

[Kerrsed]

Thats a GREAT TRADE..................................... for me to poop on!

I kid, I kid!

[dantian]

Trade Option

I'm still not by any means convinced that we need to blow up this team, but here is a take on an Amare trade we might want to consider:

PHX trades:
Stoudemire, Richardson, Griffin, Lopez
PHX receives:
Tmac, Speights, Budinger, Kapono, PHI#1 (8-16 range after trade effect)

Nash/ Dragic
Tmac/ Barbosa/ Budinger
Hill/ Dudley/ Kapono
Speights/ Clark
Frye/ Collins

Draft:
Xavier Henry or Stanley Robinson

PHX gives up a lot of talent in return for getting younger, and adding immense financial flexibility in the 2010 FA class. This move frees up $30 million for this year to split between overall salary savings and free agent acquisitions. It would give us more flexibility to sign another marquee player (Wade) if we needed to. We also might be able to get Tmac to re-up for a reasonable amount in an effot to get a win. All of that and a good pick to build around for the future, with a great young guy in Speights that is getting ready to break out and Budinger, whom I doubted coming out of the U of A, but seems to be making an impact.

HOU trades:
Tmac, Hayes, Budinger
HOU receives:
Iggy, Dalembert, Green

Brooks/ Lowry
Iggy/ Green
Ariza/ Battier/ Dorsey
Scola/ Landry/
Dalembert/ Andersen

HOU gets its wish and trades TMAC and small pieces into formidable talent. They give up some financial felexibility, but I don't think they were figuring to be biig players in the 2010 class. They add Iggy and Dalembert to a team that already plays fairly well without some much need better perimeter ball distribution and athleticism. This trade brings both. Are they willing to take on long-term salary to accomplish that? I think this might make them think about it.

PHI trades:
Iggy, Dalembert, Green, Speights, PHI #1
PHI receives:
Stoudemire, Richardson, Lopez, Griffin

Iverson/ Holiday/ Ivey
Richardson/ Williams
Young/ Carney/ Griffin
Brand/ Smith/
Stoudemire/ Brezec/ Lopez

What a starting 5 that might be. PHI knows they need a change, and they make a major move to facilitate it. With this trade PHI could put together what is arguably the most talented PHI team to play. And that is saying something. Don’t think the wins will translate as perfectly, but that talent level stacks up very well against the big Eastern Conference teams. PHI’s cost is that they give up some mid-term cap flexibility to acquire the shooting and dominance that they have been needing. PHI might have a chance to win another 30 games with this lineup, which could get squeak them into the playoffs. That would be a scary 8 seed to have to face.

Let me know what you think.

sorry, but it's not gonna work for Suns and 76ers.
1. Amare won't sign with that bad team and would join one of Wade, LBJ or JJ in one of the places, NY, NJ, Miami, or some other places with cap.
2. That Suns team won't get Wade or any of the big name FA for years. Suns will be Clippers and Bulls for the next 10 years. No, Nash won't draw Wade or JJ here when they could pair with Amare, Bosh somewhere else!

[Kerrsed]

sorry, but it's not gonna work for Suns and 76ers.
1. Amare won't sign with that bad team and would join one of Wade, LBJ or JJ in one of the places, NY, NJ, Miami, or some other places with cap.
2. That Suns team won't get Wade or any of the big name FA for years. Suns will be Clippers and Bulls for the next 10 years. No, Nash won't draw Wade or JJ here when they could pair with Amare, Bosh somewhere else!

I agree. Wade/JJ couldnt play as well as they are now with Nash as they both have to have control of the ball. Without the ball in their hands, they are handcuffed. You need a scoring PG next to them to make it work right. Thats why Bibby is having a horrible year and Crawford is having an awesome year. With the ball in JJ's hands most of the time, it frees up Crawford to hit the open shots. Nash can make horrible players better, but could also make better players horrible. Look at Amare, he doesnt get the ball as much as he should already. Thats why the past Suns were so effective, we had more players who could also be playmakers (i hate to say it, but Diaw was one), so we could swing the ball more and not have to relies on Nash so much! He's 2nd in the NBA in turnovers, thats because he is handling the ball way too much!

[RunDogGun]

Thats a GREAT TRADE..................................... for me to poop on!

I kid, I kid!

I love Triumph! That one special he did was hysterical. The Star Wars bit was great, and the Best in Show gag was priceless.

[Frank Lee]

Somewhat responding to the 'trade Amare' talk in the Goals for the Season thread.....but appropriately placed.......

Give up on a miami trade.... they'd have to gut their team this yr to make the salaries work. They are not about to do that when they can have him or Bosh for free next yr, and keep Beasley. It doesn't make sense, but that doesn't matter to some of you pipers.

If he is dealt this year.... IMO Stat will to go to a team that feels they might be left out in the grab for a marquis player. A team that is willing to spend whatever it takes to keep him, essentially be or match the highest bidder. His Bird Rights are a guarantee he does not walk.... as long as he does not pitch a fit... so there does have to be some desirable qualities to play for that team as well.

I also think that Amare is the 4th choice of the big 4 free agents, and GMs/Owners around the league would not be opposed to see Sarver squirm at the jack it will take to retain AS. Signing him virtually assures that we will do little else to improve, and will soon fall prey once again to cost cutting firesale-ish moves to keep the budgeteers happy and the vultures circling.

I see very little leverage, given our Front Orfice's past behavior, for a sign and trade scenario to play out. I just do not think we have many trading partners in the league... and most all enjoy seeing Kerr-plunk and Knobert Sarver getting screwed. Our RedHeadedStepchild of an owner is a Jackasssss. His first yr's eccentric (kind word) behavior sealed his Chicken Dancing fate, and unfortunately, began the downslide we are on now.

I'll add, Stats' play of late warrants a max deal... to some team. If our front orfice's plan was to gauge his value after he recovered, and see if may be they could retain him for less than a max/fat contract... well, I think that option is flying out the closing window.

We end up with nothing for Amare, I will loathe both Kerr-plunk and Knobert to the point of wishing for nothing but failure until both are squeezed the F out of town.

[-SDU-]

I still see amares most likely destination in the event of a trade being golden state

if the suns can get biedrins and Randolph in a package or somethig similar then it's a done deal whether we like it it not

warriors want him, soured on Randolph - we would be crazy to think they won't revisit it

frankly I would give Amare max and want him
to stay myself

[dantian]

I still see amares most likely destination in the event of a trade being golden state

if the suns can get biedrins and Randolph in a package or somethig similar then it's a done deal whether we like it it not

warriors want him, soured on Randolph - we would be crazy to think they won't revisit it

frankly I would give Amare max and want him
to stay myself

Amare-Ellis duo could be as good or as dominant as Barkley-KJ, though Amare is now more a Malone type PF, but he must be the best p&r bigman of all time. So, it'd be wiser to coax GS into trading Ellis here for whatever.

As to Amare being the 4th of the big 4 FAs, there are at least 6 openings for max in NY, NJ, and Miami, plus OKC and potentially some other places. If he does leave Suns, it's likely some places get the two big/small combo with Amare/Bosh as bigs and Wade/LBJ/JJ as smalls.