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Kerr Could Get Extension

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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#21 » by hunterxaz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:27 pm

D'Antoni could have won us a championship. We had some refs fixing games against us, Stern suspending players without merit, injuries, etc. We were unlucky, more than anything. We had the talent, coaching, and staff/FO to get a title.

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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#22 » by Miklo » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:32 pm

Seattlesun wrote:I talked to Steve for 20 mins prior to the start of this season, and I have to relate to you all that he very readily admitted the mistakes. He HATED the trade for Shaq. He told me Shawn had to go because of his "attitude" but what looked good in getting Shaq was clearly a mistake.

So he GOT RID OF SHAQ. I want a guy in place that will take the chances, make moves, and if they dont work ADMIT IT. He had done that every step of the way. Terry Porter was awful, he fired him. Was moving DA for Porter a good move? No. But dont we all agree we are better off without DA's philosophy now? He fire Porter quickly instead of trying to save face and keep him.

I like what Steve has brought, his willingness to make moves and more importantly his willingness to accept mistakes and fix them.


Thanks for the insight

I think its easy to point the finger at Kerr, but how can we really do so without knowing the inner workings of the FO? Its even more likely that Sarver/Griffin have forced Kerr to make some of the moves he's made. Plus, like Seattlesun said, you do want a GM who is willing to take risks to build a contender. While I have not always felt this way, I think we owe Kerr some more time on this. I mean, look what we're doing this season and look at some of the talent he's brought in. He's made some mistakes and apparently fessed up and learned from them, and he probably is slowly getting more of a green light from Sarver. I'd like to give him a chance to at the very least fully ride out this team.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#23 » by WTFsunsFTW » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:49 pm

hunterxaz wrote:D'Antoni could have won us a championship. We had some refs fixing games against us, Stern suspending players without merit, injuries, etc. We were unlucky, more than anything. We had the talent, coaching, and staff/FO to get a title.

PS: I don't need credibility to post on the internet. I'm expressing opinions that I believe. If you think they're wrong, who cares? You're just some guy on the internet who has a different opinion than I.


If you're apathetic to what people think about your opinions, then why put the effort into spouting off?

You logic is solid

What would Dantoni have accomplished that Gentry hasnt? I cant fathom why you would want dantoni back. There's no reason in your opinion. An opinion without thorough reason is a waste of time.

seriously, what do you think Dantoni would have done the last two years that would have worked better?

You must not like Lou, dragic, dudley or lopez, because they wouldnt have touched the floor the last two seasons with Dantoni. You know that, right?

I understand it's human nature to not like being wrong, but dont back yourself into a corner because of a stubborn resistance to change.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#24 » by hunterxaz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:35 pm

When you have an opinion, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to post it. It takes effort to defend it, but that's also easy especially when talking about Earl Clark.

I contend that we could have won a title under the D'Antoni era. Duncan misses that 3? Who knows. Amare not missing playoffs? Who knows. Refs not fixing games? Who knows. Joe Johnson injury? Who knows. Hill injury? Who knows? I mean there are a lot of reasons. It's not because our Defense sucked, we actually had better Defensive statistics then than we do now, we're just getting more STOPS now.

We're in an equal to, or greater position to win a title now, this year and the next if we re-sign Amare. So, we're lucky.

Lopez would get PT, Dragic too. The reason we never played a bench before is because we never had a bench worth playing / developing. Think about all the losers we cut/let go. Sean Marks? Banks? Tucker? Strawberry? They were all scrubs, and didn't deserve PT. D'Antoni knew it. I have full confidence D'Antoni would play Frye, Lopez, Dragic, Dudley.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#25 » by justinb80 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:41 pm

hunterxaz wrote:When you have an opinion, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to post it. It takes effort to defend it, but that's also easy especially when talking about Earl Clark.

I contend that we could have won a title under the D'Antoni era. Duncan misses that 3? Who knows. Amare not missing playoffs? Who knows. Refs not fixing games? Who knows. Joe Johnson injury? Who knows. Hill injury? Who knows? I mean there are a lot of reasons. It's not because our Defense sucked, we actually had better Defensive statistics then than we do now, we're just getting more STOPS now.

We're in an equal to, or greater position to win a title now, this year and the next if we re-sign Amare. So, we're lucky.

Lopez would get PT, Dragic too. The reason we never played a bench before is because we never had a bench worth playing / developing. Think about all the losers we cut/let go. Sean Marks? Banks? Tucker? Strawberry? They were all scrubs, and didn't deserve PT. D'Antoni knew it. I have full confidence D'Antoni would play Frye, Lopez, Dragic, Dudley.


As far as that last paragraph goes, I think you have the chicken coming before the egg, so to speak. They drafted scrubs because they had to draft someone and D'Antoni knew he wouldn't play those guys anyway, since he only used a 7 man rotation. At that time, D'Antoni was acting as GM, so he could draft whomever he wanted.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#26 » by albasuna » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:45 pm

Hunter... the thing with D'Antoni was too much had to go right for the Suns to win a championship. If the Suns had a better coach during those mis fortunate injuries and scenarios the Suns could have still recovered and won. Prime example would be game 5 against the Spurs in 2007 when Amare and Diaw got suspended, D'Antoni only played 6 guys.. and wore them down.. wtf is that?


The only great thing he did was help the Suns to the WCF the year Amare went down. He's a system based coach, he doesn't make miracles like the best coaches can.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#27 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:53 pm

hunterxaz wrote:I contend that we could have won a title under the D'Antoni era. Duncan misses that 3? Who knows. Amare not missing playoffs? Who knows. Refs not fixing games? Who knows. Joe Johnson injury? Who knows. Hill injury? Who knows? I mean there are a lot of reasons. It's not because our Defense sucked, we actually had better Defensive statistics then than we do now, we're just getting more STOPS now.

We're in an equal to, or greater position to win a title now, this year and the next if we re-sign Amare. So, we're lucky.

Lopez would get PT, Dragic too. The reason we never played a bench before is because we never had a bench worth playing / developing. Think about all the losers we cut/let go. Sean Marks? Banks? Tucker? Strawberry? They were all scrubs, and didn't deserve PT. D'Antoni knew it. I have full confidence D'Antoni would play Frye, Lopez, Dragic, Dudley.


The D'Antoni era was over. I would have given him the half season that Porter had and that would've been it. Fact is, that 7-player rotation and lack of team defense made our system nothing more than just a gimmick, a gimmick that teams didn't know how to defend against at the time. It was also during a time when teams started going small to emulate our successful style but we just did it better and more efficiently than everyone else. But now teams have gone back to going big and SSOL just doesn't do well against big defensive half court teams. Problem is, we're still basically the same small team we were back then even though we've utilitsed our bench more, but we're still not good against big defensive teams, which is why we're not going to win a title this year.

Whether you believe it or not, D'Antoni's SSOL probably wouldn't have yielded the same results we've had this season because it isn't the system that made us good, it was our depth and our roster, two things that D'antoni wouldn't have utilized. There would've been no way guys like Lou, Dragic and Lopez would have played since Lou and Lopez has no offense and Dragic isn't Nash. We would be playing Nash, Jrich, Hill, Amare, Frye, Dudley and Barbosa like 30mpg and if we made playoffs, our 7-man rotations would've been running on fumes.

Defensively, we were actually a better team than we are now. We're not getting anymore stops than we were under D'Antoni with Bell, KT and Trix. We gotten some stops in a handful of games during the 4th quarter, but until we can get it done consistently, we really can't say we're getting anymore stops than we were with D'Antoni.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#28 » by hunterxaz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:59 pm

We're deeper now than we've ever been in the past 15 years since the 92-93 playoffs.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#29 » by Miklo » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:00 pm

hunterxaz wrote:When you have an opinion, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to post it. It takes effort to defend it, but that's also easy especially when talking about Earl Clark.

I contend that we could have won a title under the D'Antoni era. Duncan misses that 3? Who knows. Amare not missing playoffs? Who knows. Refs not fixing games? Who knows. Joe Johnson injury? Who knows. Hill injury? Who knows? I mean there are a lot of reasons. It's not because our Defense sucked, we actually had better Defensive statistics then than we do now, we're just getting more STOPS now.

We're in an equal to, or greater position to win a title now, this year and the next if we re-sign Amare. So, we're lucky.

Lopez would get PT, Dragic too. The reason we never played a bench before is because we never had a bench worth playing / developing. Think about all the losers we cut/let go. Sean Marks? Banks? Tucker? Strawberry? They were all scrubs, and didn't deserve PT. D'Antoni knew it. I have full confidence D'Antoni would play Frye, Lopez, Dragic, Dudley.


Hunter, maybe you wouldn't be seen as the village idiot so much if you didn't bring Earl Clark into every single one of your posts. You have some respectable opinions, so do the mature thing and participate in conversations instead of just spouting out hyperboles and such about Earl Clark.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#30 » by justinb80 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:05 pm

Yeah the constant emphasis on Earl Clark, even when it's not really related to anything on-topic, makes you seem like much more of a troll.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#31 » by Biff » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:16 pm

hunterxaz wrote:When you have an opinion, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to post it. It takes effort to defend it, but that's also easy especially when talking about Earl Clark.

I contend that we could have won a title under the D'Antoni era. Duncan misses that 3? Who knows. Amare not missing playoffs? Who knows. Refs not fixing games? Who knows. Joe Johnson injury? Who knows. Hill injury? Who knows? I mean there are a lot of reasons. It's not because our Defense sucked, we actually had better Defensive statistics then than we do now, we're just getting more STOPS now.

We're in an equal to, or greater position to win a title now, this year and the next if we re-sign Amare. So, we're lucky.

Lopez would get PT, Dragic too. The reason we never played a bench before is because we never had a bench worth playing / developing. Think about all the losers we cut/let go. Sean Marks? Banks? Tucker? Strawberry? They were all scrubs, and didn't deserve PT. D'Antoni knew it. I have full confidence D'Antoni would play Frye, Lopez, Dragic, Dudley.


All players D'Antoni wanted. We essentially traded Rondo so we could sign Banks.
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Post#32 » by hunterxaz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:51 pm

I'm not a troll though. I haven't posted about EC much at all in the last month, what I wanted to say I said, and his play reinforces it. ;) My point has been proven.
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Re: Kerr Could Get Extension 

Post#33 » by Jimmy76 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:05 am

he's been decent trade wise, drafted pretty well, and has a vision for this team

i willing to see what he can do
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Post#34 » by Qwigglez » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:05 am

Kerr hasn't had much leash from Sarver, but has made out pretty well with what he was given.
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Post#35 » by BurningHeart » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:12 am

Kerr's garbage. I don't even want to get into it. The guy got lucky with Dudley turning into an awesome player, and did well with Lopez and Dragic, but besides that he's been SCARY atrocious.
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Post#36 » by rsavaj » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:13 pm

If we could get rid of Sarver somehow we'd be infinitely improved.
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Post#37 » by Qwigglez » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:40 pm

rsavaj wrote:If we could get rid of Sarver somehow we'd be infinitely improved.


I'm working on a way to buy the Suns... It just may take a while...
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Post#38 » by rsavaj » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:41 pm

With our luck Sterling would try to buy our team.

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