Raps Fan Here HELP re Barbosa

[jeffya2]

Raps Fan needs some help

Was Barbosa able to play the 1 for you guys effectively

I believe he is a 2 & should only be used that way as is is a poor 1

I am trying to avoid miss using him like we did Turk

We used him poorly taking the ball out of his hands & doing constant pick & roll with Calderon which made him totally ineffective. He will fit you system fabulously especially when Nash is OFF the floor

Great play maker, 3 point shooter, & much better on D than advertised

Your input would be appreciated

[Gorilla Warfare]

Jay Triano is that you?

[MaryvalesFinest]

He can play the point but the problem is Barbosa has a low BBIQ and is one of the most selfish players in the league, he's looking to score all the time and only passes when he has to, now that may be a good thing though for a team like the Raptors who need scoring. When he's healthy he's a solid scorer, I remember a few years ago he put up a stat line of 41-7-7 which got him into the record books as the only player besides Jordan to have a game like that or something.

[jeffya2]

Jay Triano is that you?

Nope I'm sure NOT Jay.

I played Ball with him though, love him as a man, hate him as a coach
Great assistant though

I think he may try using Barbs as a 1 though which I hate

[jeffya2]

He can play the point but the problem is Barbosa has a low BBIQ and is one of the most selfish players in the league, he's looking to score all the time and only passes when he has to, now that may be a good thing though for a team like the Raptors who need scoring. When he's healthy he's a solid scorer, I remember a few years ago he put up a stat line of 41-7-7 which got him into the record books as the only player besides Jordan to have a game like that or something.

Exactly my thoughts. we have a fetish for using players out of position

[ma_falaa_50]

FYI barbosa was not a selfish player! he was not a pg but colangelo and dantoni tried to shove it down out throats but it wasnt the case. Barbosa is an explosive scorer and a great slasher if playing next to a point guard. his b-ball IQ was spotty and becomes magnified during crunch time. He is a good player and a great teammate.

[raff]

FYI barbosa was not a selfish player! he was not a pg but colangelo and dantoni tried to shove it down out throats but it wasnt the case. Barbosa is an explosive scorer and a great slasher if playing next to a point guard. his b-ball IQ was spotty and becomes magnified during crunch time. He is a good player and a great teammate.

Exactly. He is a scorer when healthy. Coming from the bench, he can give you that impact. The problem is that he doesn't have the distribution instinct that would make him a decent PG. He can make some pretty bad mistakes, and I never liked his ball handling ability. So, working as a 2 guard, playing off a PG, he can be serviceable.

[DirtyDez]

Barbosa was much better in the original SSOL under Mike D... Pretty much every player we had (besides Amare/Diaw) could shoot the 3 which opened up the lane for Barbosa. He's a very good slasher and finisher in the lane with either hand. His jumper has improved and over the years he got better moving w/o the ball. Him and Nash had great chemistry and would always make the perfect cut in transition when Nash had possesion. Never liked him running the point but he's able to do it for a few minutes i guess if that's what you're looking for. Below average defender although he's quick enough to get some steals. Below average passer and incredibly inconsistant over the last 2 years. He was absolutely brilliant in 06-07 and was the best player against LA in the playoffs that year. I'm not sure how he'll do in Toronto playing with guys he doesn't know on the court. I think he's an upgrade over Belinelli but not Weems off the bench. He's a good kid and wish him the best.

Now to the important question... Can Hedo play PF? I heard he had a 20 rebound game this year...

[MaryvalesFinest]

Now to the important question... Can Hedo play PF? I heard he had a 20 rebound game this year...

Curious about that also...he's always played next to bigs who got a ton of rebounds (Webber, Duncan, Howard, Bosh) maybe being the starting PF he can surprise us...

[dantian]

LB is good at what he does best: shooting and scoring. His defense is not so good though improving. And don't let him handle the ball.

[Calvin Klein]

How are the raptors going to defend with Calderon and Barbosa?? Assuming Calderon doesn't get traded.

[DirtyDez]

How are the raptors going to defend with Calderon and Barbosa?? Assuming Calderon doesn't get traded.

The same way we defended with Nash and Barbosa... Poorly.

[DRK]

Weems will probably start over Barbs in Toronto, meaning Barbs will come off the bench to gove them an extra scoring spark. Weems is also a better defender than Barbs.

[KJ7]

You always just felt that Barbosa was on the verge of putting it all together. He was always blinding fast but he got better at finishing at the basket. His shot improved. He even developed a pull-up jumper and got to a decent level in regards to play-making/passing (considering he came from basically nothing).

His D has improved but only slightly. It's one area of his game that he shouldve improved a lot more. He has a crazy wingspan, is super quick and active defensively. But he remains a pretty poor man-on-man defender. He's better when he's defending off the ball or in a zone as he's active in the lanes. He's just too soft to play SG to be honest and gets backed down a little too easily.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I still think Barbosa can get it together and be a 20+ ppg player. But he's clearly not a player who should be relied upon to create for others on a regular basis. He did have some 10 assist games when he started for Nash (pre-Dragic) but IIRC we lost most/all of those games.

Barbosa's kind of like a family member. You love him to death but he drives you absolutely nuts with some of the dumb crap he tries to do at some inappropriate times. But y'now, you always forgive your brother.

He does genuinely care about winning and improving and unlike most NBA players I honestly believe it's not all money-oriented. He has things to prove to himself and he wants to become the best player he possibly can.

[Cash]

Raps Fan needs some help

Was Barbosa able to play the 1 for you guys effectively

I believe he is a 2 & should only be used that way as is is a poor 1

I am trying to avoid miss using him like we did Turk

We used him poorly taking the ball out of his hands & doing constant pick & roll with Calderon which made him totally ineffective. He will fit you system fabulously especially when Nash is OFF the floor

Great play maker, 3 point shooter, & much better on D than advertised

Your input would be appreciated

Barbosa is a combo guard, but there's different types of combo guards. I've heard Joe Dumars talk about combo guards as either "One-twos" or "Two-ones". Barbosa is very much a "Two-one". He can play at the 1 on occasion, but it should be for more than 4-5 minutes a half, preferably less. Although if you paired him with a good ballhandler at the 2 or a point forward (like Hedo!), you could leave him at the 1 for longer stretches.

Basically, he shouldn't be counted upon to run the offense, because that's not really his thing. He's at his best either slashing to score, hitting outside shots in catch & shoot situations, cutting to the basket without the ball, or filling the lane on the break. Most of those are very consistent with a typical wing player.

[JohnVancouver]

Barbs actually improved at the 1, but only to where he was less awful than he had been. His ceiling at the point position is ... roughly somehwere between 'acceptable in small doses in certain situations' and 'A Bad Idea'.

I wouldn't call him selfish - he was taught since day one to look for the shot first, and he's a head down slasher. How you turn that guy into a PG is beyond me. Still, he was better at it than Banks

He is a deadly scorer when healthy though and a great guy