Rolo = Joakim Noah?

[ma_falaa_50]

same thing ppl said about amare's rebounding but he never got better. Noah skillset not only limited to his rebounding. He just havnt showcased yet in the NBa cuz he hasnt had the type of coach that utilized his skills to its fullest like they did in florida.

[Nando88]

if a player hasn't been a good rebounder throughout his career or in college, he most likely won't become a better rebounder

[lilfishi22]

if a player hasn't been a good rebounder throughout his career or in college, he most likely won't become a better rebounder

Sad, but I agree with that.

[nashchill]

if a player hasn't been a good rebounder throughout his career or in college, he most likely won't become a better rebounder

I disagree entirely! Frye started off as a bad 3pt shooter now he's deadly. It's not like Lopez is a horrible rebounder anyway.

[DatWasNashty]

if a player hasn't been a good rebounder throughout his career or in college, he most likely won't become a better rebounder

I disagree entirely! Frye started off as a bad 3pt shooter now he's deadly. It's not like Lopez is a horrible rebounder anyway.

Shooting and rebounding don't go hand in hand. Some of the things like instinct, anticipation, will power, positioning etc are more natural to you. You CAN become a better rebounder by being more physical in the paint, fighting for good position, having better awareness of the floor but there won't be a drastic increase.

[lilfishi22]

if a player hasn't been a good rebounder throughout his career or in college, he most likely won't become a better rebounder

I disagree entirely! Frye started off as a bad 3pt shooter now he's deadly. It's not like Lopez is a horrible rebounder anyway.

Improving shooting and rebounding are two entirely different things. Better shooting requires simple tweaking and practice. Fixing a shot is one of the easier aspects of improvement to one's game. Rebounding is anticipation, instincts, timing, hard work and technique. Technique can be taught but the rest is something you grew up playing with. You can't teach instincts, just like you can't teach hard work. You either have it or you don't. There's a reason why Amare never turned into the great rebounder he was suppose to be and it isn't because he didn't put in work, it's because he just doesn't have the anticipation, instincts and he also lacked focus in that department.

Lopez's timing for rebounds is off a lot of the times I've noticed. He anticipates the rebounds wrong and he jumps too early. Right now too, his boxing out isn't nearly as good as it could be, he got by quite a fair bit just by using his athleticism to our-hustle other bigs for rebounds. Not to say he can't improve and be a double-digit rebounding big, but rebounding has never been his strong suit, it's his defense that got him to where he is today.

[Biscotti]

Robin Lopez has never shown to be a good rebounder. College, NBA....just decent. For our new system to work, we need someone great at that at the 4 or 5.

[YFZblu]

Does anyone else think Robin Lopez is pretty much the same player as Joakim Noah? Hustles, rebounds, and defends. Although Noah is a bit more advanced/a better player at this stage, pre-injury Lopez was looking like a beast and did pretty well against LA considering he was hella rusty. Rolo actually has a pretty decent FT shot though and his offense looks like it's been improving and he'll surely be more of a threat on the P&R now that Amar'e is gone. So whaddaya guys think? Same type of player? Less of a player? Better player?

Noah is significantly more productive than Rolo in pretty much every way. Noah is a nice passer, a terrific rebounder, plays with a higher motor and is fully capable of gobbling up rebounds and igniting the fast break with outlet passes.

EDIT: I'm way late to this conversation. Didn't realize.

[rosebulls4life]

one of noahs most underrated abitlity as a center is his quickness for his size...against cleveland he acutally scored alot by driving....also hes a 10pt 10 rebound guy on a team with hardly shooters (crowded hole) noahs pretty good

[Three34]

You've all been very fair and objective in your analyses of Noah, but one thing we should really point out is that Noah is far from a nothing player on offense. He handles the ball better than perhaps every centre there is, and passes better than Darko (who we know to pass better than Chris Webber). I know it looks like he's an offensive nothing because he averages less points that rebounds, but it's not the case. No one directly said that, yet it's a common implication. He's not great at it, but he's not Dan Gadzuric out there. He passes, dribbles, drives the ball, has a good left hand, draws foul shots, hits foul shots, and even has a bit of a jumpshot now. He just can't post because he's too damn thin.

If Lopez can get to Noah's standard, that's a centrepiece for years to come.

[kodo]

one of noahs most underrated abitlity as a center is his quickness for his size...against cleveland he acutally scored alot by driving....also hes a 10pt 10 rebound guy on a team with hardly shooters (crowded hole) noahs pretty good

Agreed, he's somewhere between a PF & C. He entered the league as a 220 lb PF, he's breaking out now only because he's a late bloomer and he's up to 232 lbs.

He's got handles and passing ability unusual for a center, he'll handle the ball on a fast break and throw up an alley-oop for Rose.

On the 2nd dunk in this clip the bulls actually iso Noah at the 3 point line, he takes 2 dribbles and finishes with a dunk. I don't think this is really good coaching to iso your center at 23', but Bulls were desperate for any offense last few years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOowP3BSeQ

[BurningHeart]

And people actually thought Noah would be worthless in the NBA.

Guys with heart, energy, and ability like that are always priceless.