Sarver's latest blindly optimistic comments

[JohnVancouver]

That's exactly what I meant, and I thought it was clear from the second par tof the sentence, which said we would suffer until we moved Vince. I'm sorry the other poster missed my meaning - I have been unable to find the function that allows me to post in crayon.

[DRK]

That trade is a big fat joke. There is no way you can justify that. "OH HEY WE SHOULD GRAB HEDO SO WE CAN OVERLOAD ON THIS ONE POSITION OR MAYBE MAKE HIM PLAY IN THE POST WHERE HE'LL GET ABUSED." WTF? Seriously?

You are just flat out wrong..... That trade was exclusive from anything to do with replacing Amare. It was happening with or without him being here.

There's this thing called backing off from a trade. I think some of the teams have done that before.
Amar'e verbally committed to NYK on 5th July. Hedo was traded on 14th July. Plenty of time to you know, reconsider the trade, don't you think?
Tell me he's not a replacement again?

In my opinion, Hedo was brought in to replace Amare (to a certain extent.) My guess is that Sarver (or whoever made the deal) wanted to use Lopez just as Orlando uses Dwight. One big man manning the paint, surrounded by 4 three point shooters. Many people expect Lopez to really expand his game and become much more improved from last year. That didn't happen.

Yes, the Hedo for Barb's trade was agreed to before Amare left. In my opinion, the Suns organisation already knew Amare was going to leave, and were planning for the future, by trading for Hedo. All the talk about the "last-ditch-offer" that the Suns made is just BS IMO. They just wanted to be seen to pursue Amare again, but in fact they knew long ago that Amare was as good as gone.

The fact that they didn't back out of the trade shows that the coaching staff and F.O were already planning to use Hedo as a replacement for Amare. Just too bad it didnt work out.

[TheJohnWallShow]

I dont think Hedo was brought here to replace Amare in any way. Suns knew Amare was gone so they just went after a player who could dribble, pass, shoot well just as our team is based off of. IMO they wanted to keep the run n gun system in full effect, and what better than a clutch 6'10 sf who can do all of these. The problem was starting him at the PF position. Hedo is not, nor never will be able to handle the PF position. We should have made his 6th man and had him and Dragic sharing the ball handling duties on the 2nd squad. Hedo is not effective without the ball in his hands making things happen, apparently the Suns FO didnt do their homework on him. If anything, Warrick was brought here for the pick n roll finish, hoping he could be a poor mans Amare. This did not happen as Warrick does not have what it takes to be consistant. And as far as Childress goes, seems like a very un-needed signing to me. Hes got a nose for the ball, but his talents do not fit the Suns system.

[GD2]

That pretty much was exactly what we had last year, although I take exception to describing Nash & Hill as being "noticeably past their prime," since they regularly outperform about 85-90% of the players in the league.

No, it's not what we had last year. We had an all star power forward in his mid 20's. You can't lose an all star player and say it's exactly what we had last year.

And Grant Hill does not outperform 85-90% of the league. On a championship team Grant Hill is a role player.


Different point, but even though I disagree with him on pretty much everything else, Frank Lee is dead on, Turkoglu wasn't brought in to replace Amare. The original plan was to bring him in to play with Amare (which actually made sense) but they did the trade anyway once Amare was gone when they shouldn't have. Once Amare went to New York, Nash and Hill shoulda been traded and it shoulda been time to blow up and clear cap.

[impulsenine]

That pretty much was exactly what we had last year, although I take exception to describing Nash & Hill as being "noticeably past their prime," since they regularly outperform about 85-90% of the players in the league.

No, it's not what we had last year. We had an all star power forward in his mid 20's. You can't lose an all star player and say it's exactly what we had last year.

And Grant Hill does not outperform 85-90% of the league. On a championship team Grant Hill is a role player.

We did lose Amare and that's a major loss of talent. [...] I may be misreading you, but it sounds like you're dogging on everyone else too, which ain't right. [...] Tough not to notice the Amare-shaped hole here [...]

You need start reading complete sentences/paragraphs instead of stopping whenever you disagree with something.

And Grant Hill does not outperform 85-90% of the league. On a championship team Grant Hill is a role player.

RE: Out-performing 85% of the league -- the NBA starts about a third of its players and at 15/5/2.5/great defense, Hill is a mid-grade starter. 1/2 of 30% = 15%; ergo 85%. Armchair math, but accurate enough for Internet debates.