Steve Nash: trade him or not - POLL

[JMac1]

So please dont act like you're a forum board big shot. I know my NBA pretty thoroughly, so dont try and downgrade me. You'd be suprised if you knew how connected with the Suns organization I am, just as they would be unpleased if they knew who this was posting. Im just speakin the truth from what I observe. (probably more than you Frank Lee and lilfishi22)

Oh the irony.

If you're so well-connected, then maybe you should contact one of our moderators and verify your identity with them so that whatever you're saying becomes more than just random internet drivel.

And just to clarify, I don't even care what the discussion is or what any of you guys are saying specifically, but saying "don't act like you're a forum big shot" then going and saying "oh I'm so well connected" pisses me off.

His writing ability infers he is only a child; that or he is the brother of a player

[lilfishi22]

Didn't realize I was dealing with children here. So im gonna leave the facts real simple:
Yes, McGee will be a better player than Lopez in his career,
Yes, Lopez has a low ceiling and me and im sure half of Phoenix would agree by now( a starting center who gets outshined by his backup night in night out)
Yes, remarkably, Lopez still has trade value based on the fact he is still young. Sell while hes still worth anything,
By the way, Lopez does start (dont understand but truth)
No, im not saying anything about going "back in time to make it all right" although you and many other posters have complained about the past moves of the Suns, so good try trying to pin that medal on me.

So please dont act like you're a forum board big shot. I know my NBA pretty thoroughly, so dont try and downgrade me. You'd be suprised if you knew how connected with the Suns organization I am, just as they would be unpleased if they knew who this was posting. Im just speakin the truth from what I observe. (probably more than you Frank Lee and lilfishi22)

So correct me if I'm wrong. You want to trade Lopez, just to trade Lopez, because he won't be as good as McGee?

[DRK]

So please dont act like you're a forum board big shot. I know my NBA pretty thoroughly, so dont try and downgrade me. You'd be suprised if you knew how connected with the Suns organization I am, just as they would be unpleased if they knew who this was posting. Im just speakin the truth from what I observe. (probably more than you Frank Lee and lilfishi22)

I'm sorry. But its hard not to downgrade a guy that once started a thread complaining about Miley Cyrus deleting her Twitter.

Once credibility and respect is lost over the internet, it is lost forever.

[Frank Lee]

I know my NBA pretty thoroughly, so dont try and downgrade me. You'd be suprised if you knew how connected with the Suns organization I am, just as they would be unpleased if they knew who this was posting. Im just speakin the truth from what I observe. (probably more than you Frank Lee and lilfishi22)

Hehehe The proof is in the pudding JWally. And it does not matter really how 'inside' you are if you comments remain 'outside' the circle of info. But whatever. Go ahead, feather your cap, you are not shattering the Earth with your preferential insight. Lay one out there, confirmed and you'll find a legion of 'Gots To Know' fans hanging, begging, for any juicy morsels. The 'upgrade' could be beneficial.

No, im not saying anything about going "back in time to make it all right" although you and many other posters have complained about the past moves of the Suns, so good try trying to pin that medal on me.

OK no medal for you then. We'll just find a 'Sash' that says 'Cant discuss Lopez without bringing up McGee, Jordan, and Hickson' .. may be a tiara too if you score well in the Swimsuit competition.

And FYI I am the driving force behind the SpiltMilker Identification Program.

That was my point. You done kicked over the cowjuice.

So, in summary of yours 'facts' ... You dont like Lopez, think McGee, Hickson, Jordan are and will be better and would like them here. (hmmm.. will be ? Is not that venturing into the future and claiming opinion as fact?) You do not think you could trade Lopez for them, but think we should trade him for someone better, before he is worth nothing.

And as long as Lopez starts the game, he is the 'Starter'... we'll, I'll give you that semantical victory on 'starting' but you know, I know, and Robin knows that he is not getting 'Starter minutes'. The more important thing is Gortat is our Finisher. I'm going to call Lopez, our Opener, and hope your cubicle is far away from the decision makers.

As Oafey Lopez has become, he is contributing, has his positive moments mixed in with mental lapses, but GDit, he tries hard. He has his physical limitations (the main difference between Lopez and the trio above) but could improve fundamentally. I do not know what else to say about our 'back up' center, other than I am damn glad THE GORTAT is here.

[TheJohnWallShow]

Sorry guys. On the other hand, I just personally dont have much faith in Lopez. As for being forever connected with McGee, Jordan, and Hickson, I would say yes to an extent, just as Darko will be connected to Bron, Wade, Bosh, Melo ect, although its hard to dwell on it (and I havent, only have a couple posts stating other ways we could have went) As for my writing ability, come on man! lol this is a basketball forum not a front page news article! As for the connections, I do have a connection, although they rarely, very rarely give me any information and keep that part very professional and I gotta respect that. Dont really care if people believe it or not, it is what it is. No way in hell id wanna have all you blood thirsty NBA gossipers down my back for info all the time anyway LOL! nahh just kidding guys, im no hypocrite as I love to shoot the **** about Suns as well. As for Gortat, hes a monster finally catching onto the offensive side of the ball and makin Robin look pretty bad (worse than before). For the Miley Cyrus thing, I was only using that to prove a point so dont get too hyped up for future Miley posts

[TheJohnWallShow]

And yes, I do think all those 3 are better at this point, but will continue to get better while Lopez will stay mediocre. In my eyes this is fact, if McGee bulks up a bit, and Jordan and Hickson work on their shooting. Lopez needs to work on about every asset of his game, although im not sure possible due to his lack of cordination and the whole comic book obsession. Spider man makes me shoot my web too Robin, youre not alone! lol
While Robin still does have trade value due to his age, no one in their right mind would trade any of those 3 for him, which in end, shows that im not alone on this issue.

[Frank Lee]

Jwally, Lets be clear... I am not pleased with sLopez either...but he is what he is. I feel his physical limitations are his biggest downfall. He seems a step slow on his defensive assignments, and just hasnt grasped the spacing needed on the offense. He also does not roll hard to the rack, and is not too efficient at setting screens for the PG. He may remain mediocre as he has a way to go before he is good. I think a lot depends on who his match up is. Regardless, as long as we have THE GORTAT he will serve as a back up, even if he starts.

I also think his trade value is minimal and we would be pressed to acquire someone (a PF) that would have any significant impact. We lose Sir Robin, Frye goes to back up C and we have a hole at starting PF. Personally, I feel both Frye and sLopez need to take notice of THE GORTAT, and start bringing it on the boards. They do not have to be spectacular... just freaking average is all. They do that, they are worth their keep.

[JohnVancouver]

Jwally, Lets be clear... I am not pleased with sLopez either...but he is what he is. I feel his physical limitations are his biggest downfall. He seems a step slow on his defensive assignments, and just hasnt grasped the spacing needed on the offense. He also does not roll hard to the rack, and is not too efficient at setting screens for the PG. He may remain mediocre as he has a way to go before he is good. I think a lot depends on who his match up is. Regardless, as long as we have THE GORTAT he will serve as a back up, even if he starts.

I also think his trade value is minimal and we would be pressed to acquire someone (a PF) that would have any significant impact. We lose Sir Robin, Frye goes to back up C and we have a hole at starting PF. Personally, I feel both Frye and sLopez need to take notice of THE GORTAT, and start bringing it on the boards. They do not have to be spectacular... just freaking average is all. They do that, they are worth their keep.

You'e unhappy with Fryes rebounding? Really? 11.s ppg, 6 rpg. I thought it was 8 rpg but even so, it's not like he plays in the paint. Rolo's board numbers are dreadful - I don't care if he is boxing out. You're also supposed to go after the ball

You're right about him though, to my mind. He's a very decent backup centre and at pick #15, that's about what you hope for. We have Siler as a project to bring along behind him so we're in okay shape at that position. What's maddening about the Brave One is that he has flurries of more than competent play and then seems to forget everything he ever learned. This is year 3, and discounting the time he lost to injury, how much longer before we just say yup, this is who he is? Was the last part of last season a fluke?

[lilfishi22]

I can't see Siler sticking around after this season so I certainly don't see him as any sort of project. Siler was brought in as a practice player and in the beggining of the season when it looked like our C rotation was real weak. Now that we have Gortat, Lopez and Frye, there's no way we're keeping Siler. If there's a project we should be working on, it's Lopez.

[JohnVancouver]

I can't see Siler sticking around after this season so I certainly don't see him as any sort of project. Siler was brought in as a practice player and in the beggining of the season when it looked like our C rotation was real weak. Now that we have Gortat, Lopez and Frye, there's no way we're keeping Siler. If there's a project we should be working on, it's Lopez.

Unless we draft a big that supplants him, I'd keep Siler around. We have him on a two-year deal right?

[MrMiyagi]

I can't see Siler sticking around after this season so I certainly don't see him as any sort of project. Siler was brought in as a practice player and in the beggining of the season when it looked like our C rotation was real weak. Now that we have Gortat, Lopez and Frye, there's no way we're keeping Siler. If there's a project we should be working on, it's Lopez.

Unless we draft a big that supplants him, I'd keep Siler around. We have him on a two-year deal right?

Yeah, both Siler and Lawal are on 2 year deals.

[lilfishi22]

I don't think the 2nd year has any guarantees.

[DRK]

I don't think the 2nd year has any guarantees.

Lawal is on a three year deal; with the first year being fully guaranteed, and the 2nd and 3rd year being only partially guaranteed. I hope the Suns show patience with Lawal. I love what I saw from him in the Summer League and Pre Season.

Keeping him on the team can do nothing but benefit the team.

[lilfishi22]

I don't think the 2nd year has any guarantees.

Lawal is on a three year deal; with the first year being fully guaranteed, and the 2nd and 3rd year being only partially guaranteed. I hope the Suns show patience with Lawal. I love what I saw from him in the Summer League and Pre Season.

Keeping him on the team can do nothing but benefit the team.

I think the Suns do see a lot from him and that's why they have him on on a 3 year deal. It would be incredibly wasteful to let him go since there is literally no risk of keeping him and letting him take his time to develop.

[JohnVancouver]

I don't think the 2nd year has any guarantees.

Lawal is on a three year deal; with the first year being fully guaranteed, and the 2nd and 3rd year being only partially guaranteed. I hope the Suns show patience with Lawal. I love what I saw from him in the Summer League and Pre Season.

Keeping him on the team can do nothing but benefit the team.

Agree completely - I've been watching him for three years and never though we'd get him in PHO. Terrible he got hurt but the ACL repair is amazing these days - look at Perkins - and there's no reason a guy that young and in shape can't come back completely

a healthy Gani would be such a boon to us

[MrMiyagi]

Agree completely - I've been watching him for three years and never though we'd get him in PHO. Terrible he got hurt but the ACL repair is amazing these days - look at Perkins - and there's no reason a guy that young and in shape can't come back completely

a healthy Gani would be such a boon to us

And it's not like we are expecting him to be the next STAT either. I'd personally like to see him be a sort of Reggie Evans kind of guy with a little more offense. We could really use just a straight rebounder with some good, pesky (borderline dirty) defense.

[JohnVancouver]

Gani is a dirt worker

[lilfishi22]

I like that comparison. Reggie Evans with a little more offense. We've seen Lawal in the SL and he does have a pretty raw post game but he's aggressive and draws fouls.