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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#41 » by 360windmill » Tue Mar 1, 2011 5:46 am

I see TROLL 4 life has made his way into the Suns forum to bash Vince. And he is sporting a Dudley avatar, I bet he didn't even know who he was before Vince came to the Suns. Suns fans just don't take this fool seriously.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#42 » by Ninjafish » Tue Mar 1, 2011 3:11 pm

Carter is so useless, it actually seems like we'd be better off if we had a way of playing 4 guys instead of 5 if that meant Carter wouldn't be playing.

Please buy him out and let Childress have his spot.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#43 » by Frank Lee » Tue Mar 1, 2011 3:44 pm

Carter will have some value next yr to trade. No point in buying him out. He is a 17 mil trade chip till June 30th (I think) then he costs 4 mil to release. Some team may bite in a salary dump. If not, he goes for cash. Done. Very unlikely he returns to Phnx.

Further more, most of these players who are being bought out have teams interested in them for this season. Vince ? I dunno. Cant see many contenders wanting him. He has been given opportunity here to show what he has... and his tank looks like its on E.

He's on again off again. Gentry needs to wise up and realize that. Cut his mins back to 15 per game and let him get healthy. He looks heavy and slow to me. Let him drop 5-10 lbs. A healthy Vince will be an asset in the post season.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#44 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:32 pm

jwilb49 wrote:ONE QUESTION: why can't we buyout vince carter right now???? every team is doing buyouts....would that be possible


All those who have been bought out were on expiring deals. Technically VC is not on an expiring deal, therefore negotiating a buyout with him would be more complicated as we would have to consider next season's salary as well. I'm not sure about the technicalities when it comes to buying out this season's salary plus the buy out for another season's salary, but since there's no real advantage for either the team nor VC, there's no point in a buy out now.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#45 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 4:33 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Carter will have some value next yr to trade. No point in buying him out. He is a 17 mil trade chip till June 30th (I think) then he costs 4 mil to release. Some team may bite in a salary dump. If not, he goes for cash. Done. Very unlikely he returns to Phnx.

Further more, most of these players who are being bought out have teams interested in them for this season. Vince ? I dunno. Cant see many contenders wanting him. He has been given opportunity here to show what he has... and his tank looks like its on E.

He's on again off again. Gentry needs to wise up and realize that. Cut his mins back to 15 per game and let him get healthy. He looks heavy and slow to me. Let him drop 5-10 lbs. A healthy Vince will be an asset in the post season.


I think Chicago could use him.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#46 » by purplehaze89 » Tue Mar 1, 2011 7:23 pm

Carter's productivity would increase if he was used in situations where he might have a chance to succeed (ie. not being used solely as a spot-up shooter).

Post him up. Give him two or three plays on the pick and rolls to spell Nash. The Suns are basically using him to his weaknesses, not his strengths (which is to post up and create for others/himself).
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#47 » by DRK » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:08 am

Have you seen Carter post up while playing the the SUns? The end result is an airballed fadeaway jumper over 2 defenders. It's not pretty. Sure, he hasnt done it often, but when he has, its not very encouraging.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#48 » by Mac1 » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:26 am

if there is one main problem with the situation for carter aside from injuries/condition and shooting form is that he is a part of a system where he needs to wait for the ball..carter at toronto and NJ was the MAN for the side..he could allow himself to get into a rythm by simply having the ball a lot..going to orlando where its the dwight howard show or here where its the nash show has brought his level down.IN his last season at the nets he had a pigs ass of a team and he was excellent.

sometimes players who have been real go to guys ie..shooting gaurds who have the ball as much as point gaurds during transition who struggle when they are merely just cogs which play for ANOTHER player..like howard or nash.

look at J rich today..2 points in 20 minutes so far..sometimes systems just dont work for certain players.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#49 » by Birth of the Cool » Wed Mar 2, 2011 2:36 am

I don't see the benefit of continuing to keep Vince in the starting lineup. He's been in the system long enough for a Vet to figure it out & he just hasn't. Dudley should start and let Vince be the ball handler/offensive focus off the bench and see if the familiar role reignites him.

Right now Vince as the starter isn't helping the team or him.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#50 » by Fat_Borbath » Wed Mar 2, 2011 5:38 am

DRK wrote:Have you seen Carter post up while playing the the SUns? The end result is an airballed fadeaway jumper over 2 defenders. It's not pretty. Sure, he hasnt done it often, but when he has, its not very encouraging.


I guess you didn't watch the Suns/Raptors last Friday.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#51 » by WTFsunsFTW » Wed Mar 2, 2011 7:23 am

He's not capable of being THE MAN anymore, yet VC apologists continue to chant that he is being used wrong. Gentry would LOVE to get 18M dollars worth of effort out of him, but the amount of minutes and plays isn't the problem folks.

Stop putting the cart before the horse.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#52 » by DRK » Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:18 pm

Fat_Borbath wrote:
DRK wrote:Have you seen Carter post up while playing the the SUns? The end result is an airballed fadeaway jumper over 2 defenders. It's not pretty. Sure, he hasnt done it often, but when he has, its not very encouraging.


I guess you didn't watch the Suns/Raptors last Friday.


I guess you haven't watched any other game other than the Suns vs Raptors on Friday.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#53 » by Fat_Borbath » Wed Mar 2, 2011 8:42 pm

DRK wrote:
Fat_Borbath wrote:
DRK wrote:Have you seen Carter post up while playing the the SUns? The end result is an airballed fadeaway jumper over 2 defenders. It's not pretty. Sure, he hasnt done it often, but when he has, its not very encouraging.


I guess you didn't watch the Suns/Raptors last Friday.


I guess you haven't watched any other game other than the Suns vs Raptors on Friday.


You guess wrong.
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Re: Gentry: Carter is a leader and is good for our team 

Post#54 » by StuffTheDragon » Thu Mar 3, 2011 3:43 am

DRK wrote:Have you seen Carter post up while playing the the SUns? The end result is an airballed fadeaway jumper over 2 defenders. It's not pretty. Sure, he hasnt done it often, but when he has, its not very encouraging.


Erroneous.

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