Carter is trash

[Mac1]

oh look hes past it now thats for sure..but he and the suns arent a good fit.

at his peak he could do more at a **** side then nash could at his peak.

fact.

[Mac1]

When grant hill has a **** game..oh he tries so hard and plays great D so lets ignore the 0-4 points..
when JD comes in for 28 minutes and gets 5 points..oh the hustle..we love jd

you guys are pathetic.

[lilfishi22]

What is overrated is perimeter defense. A great defense is almost never anchored by a perimeter defender. On the other hand, a great offense is often anchored by a great PG. The fact that you can take out a defender with a simple screen just goes to show the extent of a great perimeter defenders' effect on the game. Not discounting the effect a great perimeter defender has when the opposition don't run a good offense, because guys like Iggy, Hill, Artest can all be game changers but the fact that most of the PG's in the game are average at best at perimeter defense (only a few, Rondo, CP3, DWill and Kidd and Billups back in the day are truly good defenders) just diminishes the value of a great PG defender.

Nash is a subpar individual defender but as a team defender, he's definitely well above-average if not one of the better guard team defenders. Yeah, he has a tendency to over-help on defensive plays but overall he's an excellent team defender. He is always near the top of the league at charge taken and understands how to use his help defenders. Nash can be a liability at times, but Nash can be made to silly by being taken out by a screen with no help D behind, but so can Rondo, who I think is the best PG defender in the game right now.

[Mac1]

perimeter defence isnt overrated.

perimeter defence is what helps teams make STOPS or wind down the shot clock..you know the thing we always complain about in game threads ''we ARENT STOPPING THEM ETC''

nice points there though..some taken..some not so.

[rsavaj]

lol mac1 with some epic baiting

[lilfishi22]

Give me a team with 5 average defenders and a great defensive scheme over a team with 1-2 great perimeter defenders with a poor defensive scheme any day. Like I said, the fact that you can take a perimeter defender, regardless of how good they are, out of a play just shows how

The point is, Nash's defense will always be his biggest weakness, but the fact that perimeter defense isn't always necessarily game changing while Nash's offense is, means that his lack of defense is overstated.

I might get some flack for this but I liken this to the Rose/Bulls team. Rose's defense has improved significantly over the season but it's his stellar offense that's what's making him a superstar in this league. But his team is not good because he's a superstar offensive player, no, it's because the team runs great defensive schemes and he runs the defensive plays well enough to not be a liability. Sure he can hold his own defensively, but it's not his non-liability defense that's making the Bulls so good. Does that make him overrated?

[lilfishi22]

lol mac1 with some epic baiting

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Oh it had to be done.

[Mac1]

yes and no..we all know Tom Thibodeau is masterful in such defensive gameplans tactics..

i still feel rose through even with just his athleticism offers better coverage then nash..he also gets his steal or 2.Hes by no means a great defender ..same with boozer..although i feel boozer has improved a **** defense wise this year.

the quiet success story of the bulls team is frankly luol deng.

perhaps we should take a page out of thibodeaus book then?

Perhaps we should stop playing for nash?.. maybe building a team that only makes nash work best isnt good enough.

derrick rose is a monster..hes a point first player..hes a slashing point gaurd..hes my MVP for the year..

[Mac1]

lol mac1 with some epic baiting

mac "the master baiting" 1




Oh it had to be done.

welcome to funny land! :/ New George Carlin..

[lilfishi22]

yes and no..we all know Tom Thibodeau is masterful in such defensive gameplans tactics..

i still feel rose through even with just his athleticism offers better coverage then nash..he also gets his steal or 2.Hes by no means a great defender ..same with boozer..although i feel boozer has improved a **** defense wise this year.

the quiet success story of the bulls team is frankly luol deng.

perhaps we should take a page out of thibodeaus book then?

Perhaps we should stop playing for nash?.. maybe building a team that only makes nash work best isnt good enough.

derrick rose is a monster..hes a point first player..hes a slashing point gaurd..hes my MVP for the year..

Yeah, so what I'm saying is that the Bulls strength isn't Rose's strength. Doesn't make him overrated. The Suns strength is Nash.

Rose's athleticism certainly gives him an advantage, but he's the Lebron at the PG position. An absolute freak of an athlete and strong as hell. Only PG that even comes close is probably DWill, in terms of the combination of strength and athleticism. Nash's high basketball IQ gives him an advantage too in being able to read plays before they happen which allows him to make the right team defensive play.

Deng would be my MVP for the Bulls team if it wasn't for Rose. He's guarding the best perimeter players while rebounding and shooting well. It's his consistency that's making the Bulls so good, especially with losing Noah and Boozer for an extended amount of games. As for Rose for MVP, I'd be down for that. But I still don't think Rose is a pure point. He's a scoring guard with adequate passing.

Anyway, this team has to move on from Nash. I've accepted the fact that Nash would be gone two seasons ago before he signed his extension and I'm just as mentally prepared to see him get traded this off season. It's not what I want, but we need to turn Nash into assets while he still has good value and rebuild. Even if he doesn't get traded, he can't be the main guy on our team, because we're in trouble if he's still out best player one or two seasons down the line.

welcome to funny land! :/ New George Carlin..

I know right?

[Mac1]

i agree with nashs IQ being as high as it comes ..while it can help translate into a good positional sense its still too easy to breeze by him..but nevertheless an excellent post here and i agree with most if not all of what your saying.

steph curry if he stopped shooting like a nutter COULD become a similar type of player to nash. he seems to be caught in 2 different minds in certain games..at times hes pass first ..in other games he just goes on a shooting frenzy..he has a lot of tools though..but like us..goldenstate have horrid D..sorry..theres is worse lol..
honestly without grant hill we would be a similar side to golden state.

Yeh Rose reminds me of a cross between a young AI (less hustle and steals though then ai) and rondo ( less assists etc)

yeh luol deng is the silent MVP in the league..he hardly has a bad game!..

[lilfishi22]

Always saw Curry as a bit of a Steve Nash lite. Excellent shooter like Nash and pretty good at getting his own shot. Has pretty good passing skills but often doesn't know if he should pass or shoot. He's a pretty fundamentally sound offensive player.

Rose is a better defender than AI at any point in his career. Steals statistics are overrated since it often requires as much gambling as reading the play. Rose doesn't remind me of anyone to be honest. No point guard I can think of has ever been this fast, this athletic and this strong. I think he can be more of a pure point guard, but what he's doing now works.

[BurningHeart]

I'd rather have guys who are better rebounders than focused defenders, if I'm running this scheme. I trust my guys to make more of their shots than I trust your guys, but I need people to rebound your misses to keep second chances off the scoreboard.


Bottom. Line.

[magic show 2010]

NO J rich IS TRASH

[albasuna]

NO J rich IS TRASH

j rich is balling wtf

[magic show 2010]

NO J rich IS TRASH

j rich is balling wtf

lmbo

[Miklo]

No need to bump