Game 7: Phoenix Suns (3-3) @ Utah Jazz (2-4)

[schnakenpopanz]

what are you even saying??

I had one too many drinks. I apologize. I edited & fixed that post now.

I can understand the frustration with gentry but to be fair to him he led the suns to the playoffs and lost to the eventual champion because of a ron artest tip in overtime. He would have made it the previous year if Amare didnt get injured and Porter got fired earlier.

Im just saying that the players he has on this team... well they kinda suck and thats the rebuilding process we gotta deal with. Beasley has not been what we wanted him to be and morris and dudley have regressed big time. johnson proved to be as worthless as advertised and brown is incredibly inconsistent. Our lottery pick has played like **** so far as well.

Dragic, gortat, and scola are solid but they are third options on a championship team. Gentry doesnt really have much to work with.

we can end all discussions. this sums it up!

[RunDogGun]

We could end it there, if we wanted to ignore all the other things about Gentry that has nothing to do with the talent of the players but more with his inability to manage in game issues.

I think it is really tough to credit Gentry with the 2010 squad. That team played for each other, and Lou's all out hustle became the norm at which the other players aspired to. We had only two black holes and they were usually on different squads. I still give more credit to Nash and Hill and the rest of that group for the success. Gentry didn't make Dudley and Frye shoot 40+% from three. We had some insane shooting that year and a bunch of hustle rapped up in awesome team chemistry.

However, we still found Gentry taking out the hot hand, have regular shift changes regardless of who was playing well. We all saw starters just come back to the bench themselves, or look back to the coach saying, "Are you sure you want me to check in.". Why does everyone forget this?

[Blackification]

However, we still found Gentry taking out the hot hand, have regular shift changes regardless of who was playing well. We all saw starters just come back to the bench themselves, or look back to the coach saying, "Are you sure you want me to check in.". Why does everyone forget this?

Gentry kept the hot hand in the game all the time if there is a problem with him about keeping players in the game its when he kept frye in for too long even though he wasnt producing. He kept guys like dudley in all the time, look at pj tucker this year Gentry gives gets good production out of hustle players. What has lou done since he left phoenix? Are we going to ignore how that 2010 run started with Gentry benching amare during that mavs game and lighting a fire in his ass? how can we not give credit to him for that?

I agree that the 2010 team had a special chemistry that is hard to replicate but that isn't gentry's fault they give him the players to work with and in 2010 it worked. Look at this year what coach could get production out of this team? I havent seen many suitable replacements being mentioned at all. Especially ones that are going to come in and play for cheap ass sarver and deal with his constant bs.

[RunDogGun]

Sorry, but Gentry has often taken out the hot hand, and he continues to start the third, just like he starts the game, regardless if guys royally suck. But please explain starting Carter.

What Lou has done is not the issue,it was what he did/does which rubbed off on that team. It's not his fault if other teams don't embrace that hustle. The 2010 team did. Yep benching Amare really helped Amare grab a whopping huge 6.6 rebounds in that year's playoffs. Have we forgotten that we started that season 8-1 and then later 10-2.

Look, it's fine if many of you don't see what I am talking about, it isn't like we can fire Gentry. I really liked his coaching the other night when we were outscored by twenty against a team without two of their starters. That was brilliant. oh and that team only has one other win, and scored the most points of their season against us. Thirteen more than their previous best.

We can't call Sarver cheap anymore. He has often paid a large amount to our players. Now you can argue how he has spent that money, and how it didn't translate to wins, but it wasn't cheap. He also just shelled out $21 million to get rid of Chilldress.

I would finish out the year with Turner, and then search for a new head coach.

[Revived]

what are you even saying??

I had one too many drinks. I apologize. I edited & fixed that post now.

I can understand the frustration with gentry but to be fair to him he led the suns to the playoffs and lost to the eventual champion because of a ron artest tip in overtime. He would have made it the previous year if Amare didnt get injured and Porter got fired earlier.

Im just saying that the players he has on this team... well they kinda suck and thats the rebuilding process we gotta deal with. Beasley has not been what we wanted him to be and morris and dudley have regressed big time. johnson proved to be as worthless as advertised and brown is incredibly inconsistent. Our lottery pick has played like **** so far as well.

Dragic, gortat, and scola are solid but they are third options on a championship team. Gentry doesnt really have much to work with.

Other than Dragic, Gentry has been horrible at developing players. Plus, he makes the most questionable decisions & substitutions EVER.

Even the year that we went to the WCFs and lost against LAL, do you remember what happened on that tip in? Attest beat J-Rich for the tip but we had no decent rebounder in the game near the paint to grab the board. Gentry had Amare sitting on the bench while Channing Frye was still out there!

And then the season after he started Josh Childress at center....a 6'7 170 lb guy as a starting center...

Then after we traded for Gortat, he refused to start him over LOWpez likely costing us a playoff spot that year because of how Lopez would always put us in a hole to start the game off & then Gortat and Co would have to come play from behind EVERY game and try to clean up the mess.

The biggest thing I hate about Gentry is how he shows immense favoritism to Channing Frye. Last year when Morris was outplaying Frye & Frye was sucking big balls, Gentry continued to play Frye instead of starting Morris and helping him with his confidence and letting him get experience vs other starters in the league.

These are just a few of my pet peeves with Gentry.

[GrantHill]

Sorry, but Gentry has often taken out the hot hand, and he continues to start the third, just like he starts the game, regardless if guys royally suck. But please explain starting Carter.

I see that you keep using this argument but look, every coach in the league does this. Just because a bench player gets hot because he plays against bench players of the other team it doesn't mean that he will do the same against the starters. A good team has a set rotation at some point of the season and it's not like VC played 35 minutes when he played awful.

You are reducing Gentry to timeouts and some minor rotation stuff but don't give him credit for his rotation in 2010, and that's what I don't get.

But hey, we had both had this discussion about a million times and it's clear that we both won't give up our position.

[RunDogGun]

Sorry, but Gentry has often taken out the hot hand, and he continues to start the third, just like he starts the game, regardless if guys royally suck. But please explain starting Carter.

I see that you keep using this argument but look, every coach in the league does this. Just because a bench player gets hot because he plays against bench players of the other team it doesn't mean that he will do the same against the starters. A good team has a set rotation at some point of the season and it's not like VC played 35 minutes when he played awful.

You are reducing Gentry to timeouts and some minor rotation stuff but don't give him credit for his rotation in 2010, and that's what I don't get.

But hey, we had both had this discussion about a million times and it's clear that we both won't give up our position.

We both know that just because you come off the bench in no way means you only play against bench players. So I don't count that as a good enough reason. My problem with that issue is Gentry would often wait until his usual rotation to sub that guy back in, which is almost always around the seven to nine minute mark. When a player gets hot shooting, it really doesn't matter who is guarding them, and we also all know that all the starters aren't great defenders.

Why would I give Gentry credit for his rotations in 2010, when I have stated (and it happened so many times) that Gentry went to sub in his starters at their usual time, but often those starters either went back to the bench themselves, or looked back at Gentry questioning his idea of subbing out the player(s) that were doing well?

It sure seems like the players were doing the rotations, not Gentry, so shouldn't they get the credit?

I have no problem being on opposite sides on issues. Your comments will make me do further research to check my original hypothesis. Like with the Hill can't come off the bench idea, although we find out that he only did it fourteen times, and twelve of those were under Porter.

[RunDogGun]

To add to the argument, Carter only had three less points coming off the bench, while Dudley had almost a seven point jump when starting that season. Moreover, the offensive flow was much better when Dudley started. Carter didn't seem like he even wanted to be in PHX, and he clearly knew he was going to lose out on almost $11 million the next year.

I really don't know how one could defend the starting of Carter that season.

Carter's percentages weren't much worse coming off the bench, in fact he shot better from the field off the bench. While Dudley shot 46% from three when starting, and 40% when coming off the bench. Carter's three point percent went from 36% at starting and 35% coming off the bench. Numbers are cool, but of course doesn't tell the whole story. But since we watched the games, it was clear who should have been starting. And heck, I didn't even bring up starting Lopez over Gortat.

[rsavaj]

Tat struggles with bigger, burlier centers.