Game 32: Phoenix Suns ( 11-20) @ OKC Thunder ( 23-6)

[Frank Lee]

Kind of agree zbit.... the FO made some off season moves to remain competitive...but should have realized too much was needed. There seems to be a disconnect between the coaching staff and the front office. Gentry will likely be the collateral damage from an off season gone awry.... him and season ticket holders.

[RunDogGun]

But where is the proof that the FO has dictated the rotation? There has been none. You keep basing your thoughts on a premise you have no proof for. All while giving the coach the pass because he has to play so and so. And you have no idea what another coach could do with this roster. Just another opinion.

Our coach has sucked many times, and it the ones I'm talking about has very little to do with the players, but how they are used. Our offense sucks, and we have way too many guys trying to play one on one. Chuckers are allowed to chuck all game long, with very little reprimand. Since Gentry is at the end of the contract, why wouldn't he just play whoever he wants? If they fire him, he still gets paid in full. And getting fired can't be any worse than losing tons of games.

Oh well, I still feel that Gentry sucks at coaching, and those issues have been going on, way before this roster.

[phrazbit]

But where is the proof that the FO has dictated the rotation? There has been none. You keep basing your thoughts on a premise you have no proof for. All while giving the coach the pass because he has to play so and so. And you have no idea what another coach could do with this roster. Just another opinion.

Our coach has sucked many times, and it the ones I'm talking about has very little to do with the players, but how they are used. Our offense sucks, and we have way too many guys trying to play one on one. Chuckers are allowed to chuck all game long, with very little reprimand. Since Gentry is at the end of the contract, why wouldn't he just play whoever he wants? If they fire him, he still gets paid in full. And getting fired can't be any worse than losing tons of games.

Oh well, I still feel that Gentry sucks at coaching, and those issues have been going on, way before this roster.

Im not saying they dictate the rotation, Im saying the have obviously put more of a priority on immediate results over the development of the players. Gentry is supposed to win games, so rather than play guys like Marshall and Garrett who will struggle mightily he needs to hope a chucker like Brown can get hot. And chuckers are chucking without reprimand? How so? Beasley has gone from "future star" to "DNP Coaches decision".

And no one should be surprised our offense is one on one. The team is made of guys who were KNOWN to be one on one players. We have no true distributor. We sign a bunch of ball-hogs to handle the ball and its the coaches fault when these players are exactly who everyone knew they were?

Again, not saying Gentry is a good coach, but expecting a 7 or 8 man rotation at this point in the year is freaking crazy, especially when even among those guys no one is consistent. I think anyone who could take a subjective look at the roster would have thought this team was one of the worst in the league coming into the year. They've played to expectations.

If the goal of the franchise is to develop the young players then they need a coach with job security, but that clearly isnt the goal. 100% of the blame for this train wreck goes on our grossly incompetent front office that assembled an awful roster and continues to show absolutely no semblance of a plan.

[OmniStrife]

But where is the proof that the FO has dictated the rotation? There has been none. You keep basing your thoughts on a premise you have no proof for. All while giving the coach the pass because he has to play so and so. And you have no idea what another coach could do with this roster. Just another opinion.

Our coach has sucked many times, and it the ones I'm talking about has very little to do with the players, but how they are used. Our offense sucks, and we have way too many guys trying to play one on one. Chuckers are allowed to chuck all game long, with very little reprimand. Since Gentry is at the end of the contract, why wouldn't he just play whoever he wants? If they fire him, he still gets paid in full. And getting fired can't be any worse than losing tons of games.

Oh well, I still feel that Gentry sucks at coaching, and those issues have been going on, way before this roster.

I get it why people are pissed at Gentry, but still this roster is really bad at the moment.

[RunDogGun]

Praz, I've been saying for the past three seasons that Gentry sucks, and have pointed out all of his f*ck ups. He continues to make those mistakes, so I still don't see how the roster makes a lick of difference.

And we don't have a ton of ball hogs. In our starting lineup really only Brown is the black hole. And before that, Beasley. But Gentry keeps playing those guys, and our offense is not geared towards the players. It really isn't tough to design a few plays for each guy. We can't get a basket in crunch time, and we can't even get a play off out of timeouts. This isn't just the players fault, it is the guy who designs (or chooses not to design because he is bummed that he is in the last year of his contract). Gentry cant do it, and the players have to create something for themselves. But we all know who the ball hogs are, and Gentry is the arse that continues to play them together, and when they do chuck, there seems to be no reprimand. Our discipline sucks. Zero accountability. Brown even said the other day that he isn't going one on one that often. It comes down to poor coaching.

I was at the Wolves game, and I saw the Wolves move well without the ball, and find each other at the right times. Our team looks like they have no motivation to play. Last year when many wanted to get rid of Nash and Hill, I thought that if they go, we have to get a strong leader coach. Gentry is a good assistant coach, but he can't lead a team.

As far as the rotation, it isn't crazy to go down to an eight player rotation. In fact I think it would help the guys play better together. It doesn't have to be the whole season, and each game it doesn't have to be the same eight guys.

I don't hate the roster, I would just like to see them used better. I would like to see designed plays that work. Basketball really isn't a tough sport, you just have to get players that want to play, and understand the game. If it is clear that guys don't understand the game, you don't play them until they do. If that means Brown and Beasley don't play another game this season, then so be it.

Again, Gentry's faults have been going on for the past three seasons here in PHX, and many of these players were not on those rosters.

[GrantHill]

But Gentry keeps playing those guys, and our offense is not geared towards the players.

Beasley received a DNP-CD. Tucker is starting ahead of Brown. There's nothing more Gentry can do.

[RunDogGun]

But Gentry keeps playing those guys, and our offense is not geared towards the players.

Beasley received a DNP-CD. Tucker is starting ahead of Brown. There's nothing more Gentry can do.

You mean he can't make up new plays that work? There is much more Gentry could do as a head coach. One DNP with an injured finger isn't exactly the discipline I was talking about.

[King4Day]

But where is the proof that the FO has dictated the rotation? There has been none. You keep basing your thoughts on a premise you have no proof for. All while giving the coach the pass because he has to play so and so. And you have no idea what another coach could do with this roster. Just another opinion.

Our coach has sucked many times, and it the ones I'm talking about has very little to do with the players, but how they are used. Our offense sucks, and we have way too many guys trying to play one on one. Chuckers are allowed to chuck all game long, with very little reprimand. Since Gentry is at the end of the contract, why wouldn't he just play whoever he wants? If they fire him, he still gets paid in full. And getting fired can't be any worse than losing tons of games.

Oh well, I still feel that Gentry sucks at coaching, and those issues have been going on, way before this roster.

When he took over for Porter, he actually expanded our rosters from 7-8 players to 8-10. No one was complaining when we were 2 wins from the finals.
Now, he has FAR less talent, and yes, it is a big deal. Not even Pops could make this team much better than they are right now.

Beasley had to have a long leash. Ownership dubbed him our new go to guy and overpaid him 3 years @ 18 mil. You have to try every trick in the book if you want to give him every chance possible to succeed.

He was given 7 or so new players. This isn't like Miami where the talent is there to figure things out on the fly. After a respectable start to the season, teams caught up and they know we don't have anyone who can close games out.

I'd question who we would get this offseason? Nate McMillen? Flip Saunders? They aren't turning this thing around.
If they did, then we're in big trouble since it puts us back to mediocrity.

No coach is perfect but I refuse to put the blame of this season on Gentry.

[RunDogGun]

I'm not putting the blame of the season on Gentry. I do ;however, think he is a bad head coach. And he does get blame for losing winnable games, this season, as well as the past two seasons.

When he took over for Porter, he just allowed Nash to run the team like he did under D'Antoni, and let LB run like crazy. And the 2010 season, we saw Gentry trying to sub out guys playing well, and the unselfish subs walk back to the bench themselves. It looked more like the players were doing the coaching. Honestly, I have never seen that many games where the players questioned the subbing, by either looking back at the coach, or just walking back themselves.

And I disagree on the Pops comment. This season when he played Miami, he had second and third stringers push the defending champs the whole game, even having a guy for only two weeks, do quite well. It's the system and the coach that works so well in SA. Too bad Gentry didn't learn enough from Pops.

If we overpaid for Beasley, what would you call what we gave to Chilldress? And we almost never played him.

[phrazbit]

If we overpaid for Beasley, what would you call what we gave to Chilldress? And we almost never played him.

Childress' contract was awful. We had to amnesty him... is that really a defense of Beasley's awful contract? And Beasley is well on his way to getting used as little as Childress. Childress starting racking up the "DNP coaches decision" by late December, Beasley is one week late... but Beasley also had farther to fall after being anointed our "go-to" guy by the idiots in the front office.

And while Childress' contract was horrible, at least when he was in Atlanta he was a high quality player. While Beasley has been a POS for his entire career and got kicked to the curb twice already. Beasley contract was stupider because we gave 18 mil for a guy who was KNOWN to be a pile of trash.

We use our amnesty on Childress only to turn around and use the regained cap space on an even more useless player. Disgusting. Blanks should be fired. His lotto draft pick is a d-leaguer, his marque free agent signing is the worst player in the NBA. He is an exceptionally idiotic talent evaluator.

[RunDogGun]

Well we should have hired the guy Beasley has been working with before he signed with us. It wouldn't have been that much more money and at least he could get something out of him. When Beasley is focused, he isn't too bad a player. The problem I see is he appears to be stoned while on the court. He looks it, and plays like it. Wether that is true or not, oh well.

Side note, did the Hornets have to pay Chris Anderson when he was suspended for two years for weed? If not, can we just dope Beasley up, and turn him in? It would be his second offense, which is what Anderson had,if I recall correctly. Then we basically get out of Beasley's contract right there. We'd still have his rights, but we could just renounce them.