The Suns FO is not that bad

[Kerrsed]

HEY HEY HEY...... WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

Keep it clean fellas, and stick to the topic at hand and lay off the insults and name calling. Plenty of you are straddling the line and i dont want to start handing out suspensions! - Kerrsed The Base God

[Frank Lee]

Kerrsed, I have been pardoned so curb your idle threats.... unless of course you want to defy the King....

The fans want to win and will not sit here and condone this pathetic FO like you 3.

hey wait a minute.... looks like I'm back on the list. Ah crap.

....Try forming a decent letter and place it at Sarver's door.

.... how about a brown bag, on fire, with appropriate contents.

I have to agree with Wangking here (gulp) .... the power of the purse is the only recourse the consumer has against big business.

Even NBADraft.net has the Suns picking Zeller now, apparently they took into account the fact that $arver is our owner and would make such an idiotic move

You are aware most of the sites just rate the players and do not consider team needs. but nice spot to stick in one of your eye pokes. My top six is similar, with the exception of the Bazz... just not sold on him and would rather have the Beast Bennett. Not going to whine about it though. They are both reasonable selections. Thanks for responding to my question. The next step in your rehab will be acknowledging the Front Office did a good thing by drafting one of them. It could happen

you and others like you talk about the Colangelos like they were some godlike men. They weren't. Not only did they put the team in such a huge financial hole, they made plenty, let me say it again, PLENTY of moronic moves, which hurt and hindered the team. So please stop cherry picking their body of work

exactly....

[RunDogGun]

Frank, I think you actually agreed with me, for after the doorstep comment, I went on to tell him to show how much money he has spent on their product, and how losing him as a fan would hurt them financially.

Sorry Kerrsed, the names were just too easy with how their screen names already make fun of themselves. Master Dick, was really just another name for Robin, if people remember the show and what Alfred called him. I was thinking instead of Bruce Wayne, I was going to do Duece Wayne, but that just didn't fully cover the amount of excrement that he has been spewing, so I went with Shatman.

But I'll stop. I actually have had both on my ignore list for quite some time. I'll just make sure I log in before I read, and will just not read or respond to the two.

If you need to sensor this, I understand.

[bigfoot]

I was gonna cut these two some slack but then Sarver would quit paying me and I wouldn't be able to afford my crack habit.

[Revived]

I wanna see Frank Lee, RunDogGun and King of Wang in a boxing ring...

[bigfoot]

I wanna see Frank Lee, RunDogGun and King of Wang in a boxing ring...

Celebrity death match

[Sunsdeuce]

They would get destroyed by the king. They wouldn't be able to hide behind a keyboard.

[Frank Lee]

You take things far to seriously. Nobody is hiding anything but an open mind. Lay out the good and bad (transactions) over the past 2 yrs... then compare to the good and bad from Gms Kerr and D'Ant.

The topic here is about this FO but you and ruler have utilized this to vent all of your Sarver hate.

A blind eye loses perception.

[Sunsdeuce]

Well look hero, its a forum. Just a place where people talk about a common interest. If some people want to express their frustration then so be it. If some people want to paint rosey flowers then so be it. There is no reason to attack people because they dont necessarily agree with what you write.

Look there is always three different truths to everything. Your truth, my truth, and the truth. I have experienced the good times with the suns and some of the best times ever with the suns (93 team). I still think the 94-95 team was the greatest suns team ever that should have won an easy championship if not for Joe Kleine destroying Mannings knee in practice half way through the year. We were destroying everyone up till that point. My point is the 93 team was my favorite team ever but colangelo always looked to try to better the team.

That was the standard I grew use and that I now expect since then. From my point of view blanks, babby, hunter are pissing on my memories and standards. Agree or dont. That is my truth. I dont really care how much you like hunter and blanks. I dispise these people as with a lot of other people that like the suns. I see hunter as a guy who cant coach, publicly throws players under the bus, having the assistant coachs doing the actual coaching because he cant, and is trying to turn the suns into a **** version of the pistons. **** that s&%t! Again agree or dont, i could care less.

[RunDogGun]

You take things far to seriously. Nobody is hiding anything but an open mind. Lay out the good and bad (transactions) over the past 2 yrs... then compare to the good and bad from Gms Kerr and D'Ant.

The topic here is about this FO but you and ruler have utilized this to vent all of your Sarver hate.

A blind eye loses perception.

I'm not sure why you try, he won't understand.

As for the death match, I think I would be laughing too hard to be entertaining. Now a game of twenty-one..... That would be fun.

[bigfoot]

My point is the 93 team was my favorite team ever but colangelo always looked to try to better the team.

Didn't Kerr / Sarver try to make the Suns better? Marion for Shaq? Amare/Marion for Garnett (tried)? Amare for Curry (fell through after broken promise by GSW)? They had three all-stars in Nash, Marion, and Amare and tried to make the team better by moving two of them. Just like when JC pulled in Guiglotta or Kidd or Penny or Marbury.

Babby and Blanks moved Richardson and Turk for Gortat and Carter. That absolutely improved the play of the team. The only other all-star they could have moved was Nash or Hill. They were never going to get an Eric Gordon for Nash trade. The only teams who would want Nash were playoff bound and didn't have much to offer in return. Gortat was their trade chip this season. They tried to move him. Sure they lost Harden but they didn't have the assets to offer like Houston did. Hopefully they will get something for him this summer.

This is what Frank means by open your mind and see both sides of the truth. I can say Sarver screwed up with Warrick/Childress. I can say Babby/Blanks screwed up and traded Dragic and a 1st rounder for Dragic (that sounds funny). But I can also see some of the good things they have done. Nash for multiple picks, Turk's bad contract for Gortat, convincing Sarver to waive Childress.

I dispise these people as with a lot of other people that like the suns. I see hunter as a guy who cant coach, publicly throws players under the bus, having the assistant coachs doing the actual coaching because he cant, and is trying to turn the suns into a **** version of the pistons. **** that s&%t! Again agree or dont, i could care less.

Again such vitriol ... despise their choices but they are humans after all. I hate it when Brown goes all Kobe and chucks the ball. Doesn't mean I hate him as a person because I'm sure he does lots of stand-up things in the community. He might be Shannon "the bricklayer" Brown most of the time but when he has a good game and helps the Suns win, he'll get a backpat from me.

[King Of Wang]

They would get destroyed by the king. They wouldn't be able to hide behind a keyboard.

hahaha AMEN BROTHER!!!!! And if the celebrity match was to occur, then I would aim right for their pockets first and punch out their "property of Robert Sarver" cards so I can take a picture of them for everyone to see who they really are lol. But I'm done arguing with them, it's a waste of time. You cannot help ignorant people, they are lost souls lol.

But as for my name, yes I deserve the flack for it. I just made it during our battles with the Lakers in the playoffs to talk crap to Lakers fans on their board and mock them about how they were going to get destroyed by us. But then we lost that series, so I stuck to the Suns board after that and just post like everyone else haha. I had to eat my crow after that series lol. I want to change my name to a normal one but I think it's too late now but oh well

[RunDogGun]

You aren't arguing. You're bitching. And you make up stances that you say we have, and then try to make fun of us for your made up thoughts. Again, please learn how to read.

But what should we expect, you just admitted that you created an account to troll another team's board. You are a child, and deserve any crap you get here.

Between the two of you, I grow quite tired of your "I'm a better fan". Or "I'm tougher than you because I joined the military."

All while the two of you cherry pick events and FO accomplishments and failures, you totally miss our points. But that's on you, not us. It's not our fault you can't see the forest for the trees.

As for any physical fight, I'm not worried about either of you. And while Frank and I are on opposite sides of a few arguments, I could enjoy a beer with him without having to go fist to cuff.

[Moochthemonkey]

They would get destroyed by the king. They wouldn't be able to hide behind a keyboard.

But I'm done arguing with them, it's a waste of time. You cannot help ignorant people, they are lost souls lol.

Yeah...you might want to work on that. seeing as how you said you are in law school, a huge portion of your future career will deal with trying to convince "ignorant" people.

[Frank Lee]

Well look hero, its a forum. Just a place where people talk about a common interest. If some people want to express their frustration then so be it. If some people want to paint rosey flowers then so be it. There is no reason to attack people because they dont necessarily agree with what you write.

The worst I have done is reference a Jackass. Hardly an attack. for this I apologize to all donkeys.

The worst you and your ruler have done is to refuse to discuss the topic at hand and have decided to label everyone without 'your truth', your view as ignorant.

You say these guys suck.... well, more so you say Sarver sucks.
Below is the Lance and Lon Show's body of work.

So here you go ....

July 8, 2010
Traded a 2011 2nd round draft pick (Charles Jenkins) to the Chicago Bulls for Hakim Warrick.
Traded Amare Stoudemire to the New York Knicks for a 2012 2nd round draft pick. Phoenix also received a trade exception from New York. Phoenix did not receive the 2nd round draft pick because it was top 55 protected.

July 14, 2010
Traded a 2012 2nd round draft pick (Mike Scott) to the Atlanta Hawks for Josh Childress. Atlanta also received a trade exception from Phoenix.
Traded Leandro Barbosa and Dwayne Jones to the Toronto Raptors for Hedo Turkoglu.

July 21, 2010
Named Lon Babby president of basketball operations.

July 26, 2010
Waived Taylor Griffin.

August 5, 2010
Named Lance Blanks general manager.

September 24, 2010
Signed Garret Siler as a free agent.

November 16, 2010
Signed Earl Barron as a free agent.

December 18, 2010
Traded Earl Clark, Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu to the Orlando Magic for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, cash and a 2011 1st round draft pick (Nikola Mirotic).

December 21, 2010
Waived Earl Barron.

January 9, 2011
Signed Zabian Dowdell to two 10-day contracts, then signed to a contract for the rest of the season.

February 24, 2011
Traded Goran Dragic and a 2011 1st round draft pick (Nikola Mirotic) to the Houston Rockets for Aaron Brooks.

June 23, 2011
Drafted Markieff Morris in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 2011 NBA Draft.

December 9, 2011
Waived Vince Carter.
Waived Gani Lawal.
Signed Sebastian Telfair as a free agent.
Signed Shannon Brown as a free agent.

December 13, 2011
Signed Ronnie Price as a free agent.
Signed Marcus Landry as a free agent.
Waived Zabian Dowdell.

December 22, 2011
Waived Mickael Pietrus.

December 23, 2011
Waived Marcus Landry.

December 29, 2011
Signed Michael Redd as a free agent.

January 3, 2012
Waived Garret Siler.

June 28, 2012
Drafted Kendall Marshall in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 2012 NBA Draft.

July 11, 2012

Traded Steve Nash to the Los Angeles Lakers for a 2013 1st round draft pick, a 2013 2nd round draft pick, a 2014 2nd round draft pick and a 2015 1st round draft pick.

July 15, 2012
Signed Luis Scola as a free agent.

July 19, 2012
Signed Goran Dragic as a free agent.

July 20, 2012
Signed Michael Beasley as a free agent.

July 27, 2012
As part of a 3-team trade, the Phoenix Suns traded Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick and cash to the New Orleans Hornets; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Wesley Johnson and a future 1st round draft pick to the Phoenix Suns; the New Orleans Hornets traded a future 2nd round draft pick, a future 2nd round draft pick and a future 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves; and the New Orleans Hornets traded Jerome Dyson and Brad Miller to the Phoenix Suns.

August 1, 2012
Signed P.J. Tucker as a free agent.

August 15, 2012
Signed Jermaine O'Neal as a free agent.
Waived Jerome Dyson.
Waived Brad Miller.

October 1, 2012
Signed Othyus Jeffers as a free agent.
Signed Ike Diogu as a free agent.
Signed Solomon Jones as a free agent.
Signed Luke Zeller as a free agent.
Signed Diante Garrett as a free agent.

October 24, 2012
Waived Ike Diogu.
Waived Solomon Jones.

February 21, 2013
Traded Sebastian Telfair to the Toronto Raptors for Hamed Haddadi and a 2014 2nd round draft pick.
Traded a 2013 2nd round draft pick to the Houston Rockets for Marcus Morris.

Waived Luke Zeller.

I would say, if anything, this displays a 'lack' of damaging moves, which would be an improvement over the past 10 yrs. Sure, there is no real big splashy signing, but the bleeding has stopped. Perhaps you can be more critical? Keep in mind this is not a defense of Sarver. It is merely a display of what the most recent GM team has done.
I rate them a C+ / B- .... with a final exam this summer to really determine their grade.

Remember, and this is what I consider to be a core problem, we have not had consistent management over the past 10 yrs. 3 coaches, 5 gms (counting Sarver's brief meddling fiasco), some other front office changes...

Now, if you ( and I do include HeeHawWang ) prefer to ignore this data (Lance+Lon's), then I think it would be safe to say it is you who choses to be 'ignorant' .... which some will argue as the definition of stupid. But if you want to sift through it and then criticize, your opinion would be welcome... as it may be closer to 'the truth' than what you currently profess.

You know.... kind of an apples to apples thing.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The biggest complaints I have are the fact it looks like they haven't made a good draft pick yet. Marshall and Morris look like borderline backups at best. Also the little dumb moves like signing Brown to a 2 year deal this past offseason and even signing ONeal. Why eat up any cap space for next year just to bring Brown back? They knew they were going to be bad this year so why not just sign a young dleague type 2 guard? Why sign a vet backup C when you could try to find a diamond in the rough type young big? Yes these are minor moves but to me they show a lack of vision.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The 2013 draft is such an important moment for this franchise that this current FO simply can't be trusted with the pick.

Look at their draft history. They take kieff at 13. Of the next 9 picks only Nolan Smith is for sure worse (and you could argue that drafting Smith would have been better simply because it would have prevented them from drafting Marshall). Marcus and Chris Singleton are comparable to kieff. Leonard, Vukevic, Shumpart, Tobias Harris, Motiejunas, and Faried are all either much better players or considered much better prospects than Kieff. Heck I would rather have Reggie Jackson, Chandler Parsons, Marshon Brooks, Norris Cole, Jimmie Butler, and Thomas. All drafted much later. I would say it's safe to give them an F for this draft.

Then they take Marshall at 13. I'm not sure they could currently trade him for any of the next 10 picks other than Royce White (not sure if Houston would even do that). Does anyone think theres better than 50/50 odds that Marshall is in the league in 2 years?? I'll give this draft an incomplete but it's sure looking like it will be an F.

Now ask yourself can you really trust this FO with a top 7 pick?????