Making the Case for Tyreke Evans

[phrazbit]

Its not exactly like LB and Dragic killed it out there. And Barbosa was not only more active off the ball than Evans but he also thrived in transition as one of the speediest guards in the league, something Evans is not, and as we've seen all year, Dragic is at his best in transition.

We've watched Dragic play much better since he and Beasley were separated, we saw the same thing happen when he was freed from Turkeyglue, while Evans may be a better player than those two, just like them he will dominate the ball and leave Dragic in limbo offensively for long stretches.

And coexisting questions aside... 40+ million for Tyreke Evans? He brings character questions, bad defense, selfish play, his production has declined 4 years in a row and a total lack of team success. Yuck. He should be treated like OJ Mayo was, given a "show me" contract but people are too hung up on what the saw from him as a rookie.

[Sun Scorched]

His production has not declined 4 years in a row - are you looking at basic stats? His usage has declined by 10% and his efficiency has increased dramatically. Both impressive.

I'm not going to argue character because I have no knowledge of anything that leads me to believe that Tyreke is a problem.

Bad defense? You're right, guards with bad defense suck..........

Selfish play? You clearly haven't watched Tyreke play, so stop regurgitating what you've heard others say. I've shown you advanced stats that disprove this theory.

Again, his raw stats have declined because he's playing less. Pretty simple.

You sound silly blaming the "total lack of team success" on Tyreke. Have you seen what that franchise has done with their roster?

And Tyreke is a much better player now than when he was a rookie. Much better.

[Frank Lee]

I'd shy away from both Evans and Mayo in this FA market. We should have a reasonable selection of wings in this draft.

Wouldn't that Franklin kid, Cauldwell-Pope, or Crabbe (at #30) at 1/5 the cost be a wiser investment?

PS... or this kid
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Giannis-Adetokunbo-7223/

[Sun Scorched]

I'd shy away from both Evans and Mayo in this FA market. We should have a reasonable selection of wings in this draft.

Wouldn't that Franklin kid, Cauldwell-Pope, or Crabbe (at #30) at 1/5 the cost be a wiser investment?

PS... or this kid
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Giannis-Adetokunbo-7223/

Return is relative to investment - if those guys become legit contributors, then those contracts are great values (Klay Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Kawhi Leonard), otherwise they're like everyone other 1st round draft pick that no one can remember from the past 3 years.

I do like Franklin and that was a good read on Giannis.

[MathiasPW]

Also liked the read on Giannis, but it feels biased in a "wow, look who I found" type of writing, with a lot of wishful-thinking (or writing, in that case).

"He doesn't have great explosion....but that will be fixed when he gets stronger lower body.."

"He doesn't play defense...but that will be fixed with experience"

"He is signed with a spanish team and doesn't have a valid passport....but I heard somewhere he has NBA opt-out clausule at the end of every year..."

"He is blind and has a heart condition...but future developments in medicine will solve that too, for sure..."

[phrazbit]

Clearly I HAVE watched Tyreke play and perhaps you have not. You CAN be a selfish player and still get assists (case in point: Stephon Marbury). Evans is a very selfish player. The guy played PG half his career and averages less than 5 assists per game. His usage has gone down and his shooting percentage has gone up, its true, and its something you hope to see. However, your plan involves Evans jacking up enough shots for 22 points per game, dramatically increasing his usage and more usage typically leads to less efficiency. It also will lead to Dragic standing off to the side with nothing to do.

Evans has improved very little in 4 years and statistically he has declined with each passing season. Evans is an empty stat player whos stats are not that good in the first place.

[nevetsov]

I wouldn't object to giving Reke a go.

I love Goran but I think he's more a facilitator than a creator. He's capable of getting a bunch of assists but they typically come off his own dibble penetration rather than him being able to initiate a play. Every single game I've seen Goran at some point with the ball with around 17 seconds on the shot clock, and six seconds later he still has the ball in the same spot. Without someone else who can create, we're left with 4 guys standing around and waiting to be spoon fed the ball.

Goran's shooting has looked very pure this season so having someone else that can either create from scratch or attack the rim could open up things for him, in so far as he'd have more time and space when he does get the ball in his hands.

Also, after seeing Tyreke carve us up live this season, It's obvious he has talent, and we should take any talent we can get right now

[coban]

I watched Tyreke on some games and fact is he is not player suns team needs. What suns team need is player like thorton from kings. We are sick of watching one team players like kobe..

[phrazbit]

Also, after seeing Tyreke carve us up live this season, It's obvious he has talent, and we should take any talent we can get right now

Thats the same thinking that landed us 2-3 years of Measley. There are plenty of "talented" players in this league that do not contribute much in the way of success. Evans is among them. And cost has to be factored in to any question of acquiring talent. Evans is not "talented" enough to deserve the type of contract that people are discussing.

If we could get him on an OJ Mayo type contract (which is all he deserves) then I would be all for it, but paying him big money is just asking to suck for the long term.

[Kerrsed]

We are sick of watching one team players like kobe..

Hell no we arnt! If Kobe was just coming into the league i would LOVE to have him on our team. Hell, if that trade went through back in the day and we had him for the past 5 years, you would be singing his praises. A side from Lebron (and now Durant), he has been the best player in the league since MJ retired. He is determined to win games at all costs. If it takes him to put his team on his back and score score score to win (which they have been), then you do it. In the end, its all about winning, and he is a winner.

[bigfoot]

In the end, its all about winning

Yep ... more people should recognize that's why you play the game.