Video game numbers for 3-man combos: Guess who?

Wannabe MEP · Post #1 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:53 pm

Looking at 3-man combos that have played at least 40-minutes together, the Suns have 10 combos with a net rating of +20 or more (+20 = total domination).

1) One player shows up in all 10 of those combos.
2) Two players show up 5 times each.

Guess who?

scooper1030 · Post #2 » by **scooper1030** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:55 pm

1) Dragic?
2) Bledsoe and Frye?

NTB · Post #3 » by **NTB** » Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:11 pm

1 is definitely Dragic but I'm not sure about the second. Bledsoe and Plumlee?

Ring_Wanted · Post #4 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:34 am

Are the two who always play together the Morrii? I can't decide between Frye and Dragic for #1.

mybloodisorange · Post #5 » by **mybloodisorange** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:52 am

Plumlee and Ish.... im betting on the longshots lol.

Saberestar · Post #6 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:18 am

Dragic
Markieff and Frye

RunDogGun · Post #7 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:40 am

Well considering this is Los Soles, I'm guessing Frye was the one in all ten.

Beetlejuice · Post #8 » by **Beetlejuice** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:42 am

1) Is Frye
2) Dragic and im quessing Marcus

NapoleonII · Post #9 » by **NapoleonII** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:25 pm

Frye
Dragic/Plumlee

Wannabe MEP · Post #10 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:45 pm

Some good responses. Well, here it is:

1) Frye
2) The Morrii (

I like that)

Noticeably absent from all 10? Plumlee. Don't get me wrong, I really like Plumlee, and he's definitely a key piece of some good lineups.

But I think the key takeaway from this is: Frye at the five. When Frye is in with a Morris, Frye is pretty much always the 5, so we have this:

1 -- _____
2 -- _____
3 -- _____
4 -- Morris
5 -- Frye

Mix-and-match at the 1, 2, and 3: we're still effective.

Ergo, key to this season's success was not only the return of Frye, but also our limited options at the five (no Gortat, Okafor and Len injured) forcing Frye to become our de facto backup 5.

Wannabe MEP · Post #11 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:20 pm

Another angle on this: we have 7 units that have played at least 30 minutes together, only one that has Frye at the five.

Offensive Rating with Frye at the five:
139.8

Offensive Rating without Frye at the five:
109.3
108.2
106.1
94.6
91.0
79.7

Calvin Klein · Post #12 » by **Calvin Klein** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:25 pm

Frye has always worked so much better as a 5 for us. Since 2010.

Wannabe MEP · Post #13 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:51 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Frye has always worked so much better as a 5 for us. Since 2010.

Found better data on this. In raw totals, the Suns are:

−64 with Frye on the bench
+2 with Frye at the 4
+113 with Frye at the 5

Ring_Wanted · Post #14 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:09 am

Los Soles wrote:Noticeably absent from all 10? Plumlee. Don't get me wrong, I really like Plumlee, and he's definitely a key piece of some good lineups.

At first I was inclined to say Miles, but I thought you can't be king of efficiency if you don't hit the FTs, unless your FG %s and rebounds are off the charts, which is not the case with Plumbs.

Same went with Bledsoe and the TOs, which is why I was undecided between Dragic and Frye. With the Suns Frye has always been a team advanced stats darling. WormWood used to rave about his +/- on .net, only behind Nash.

Frye's D is vastly underrated, in my opinion, and certainly far from respected by the refs. As for his rebounding, the totals are not high, in part because he can't get offensive rebounds due to his role as a stretch forward, which is one of the most mind boggling qualities Kevin Love possesses.

Wannabe MEP · Post #15 » by **Wannabe MEP** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:01 pm

Here are those top 10 3-man combos:

Dragic - Marcus - Frye . . . . +34.9
Dragic - Markieff - Frye . . . +29.0
Ishmael - Marcus - Frye . . . +28.8
Green - Markieff - Frye . . . +25.1
Ishmael - Markieff - Frye . . +25.0
Dragic - Goodwin - Frye . . . +24.3
Green - Marcus - Frye . . . . +23.1
Marcus - Markieff - Frye . . . +23.0
Tucker - Markieff - Frye . . . +19.7
Goodwin - Marcus - Frye . . . +19.6

And the breakdown of players:

Frye - 10
Both Morrii - 5
Dragic - 3
Ishmael - 2
Green - 2
Goodwin - 2
Tucker - 1