Suns exploring deal for Pau Gasol

[Marz11]

Whatever the case, the good news is that Gasol will not be at the Suns..

Lakers fans can stop with their "offers" of Gasol for Bledsoe and a 1st rd draft pick etc etc..

[Sunsdeuce]

I find it hard to believe no calls took place.

Yeah, it's complete crap.

I dont care if its crap or not.

LAKERS GET NOTHING!!!!!

[jlove_26]

Gambo's tweets about the Lakers and Suns not having any contact about a deal came from McD's mouth while on his radio show today. So, if you think convo took place, then either McD is just being quiet (which could very well be the case since he likes trades that come out of nowhere), but I would have to lean toward believing him because of that very fact.

[NaturalBuns]

Turner to phx man it has to many benefits to it worth the ind pick

What benefits? He isn't a defensive minded player, he can't shoot the three well, and he isn't very good off the ball(he needs the ball in his hands really). So how does that fit next to Dragic and Bledsoe? or a good defensive team? And he would need to be resigned this summer. Do we not only spend the pick but then spend our cap space on him?

If we are doing that I'd rather go after Deng despite him being older.

You look at it extremely wrong.

If we are going to go after a rental Turner is the better option because he have control of him during the off season unlike Gasol. The Lakers have said they are really interested in Bledsoe and I'm sure half the league is. The Suns said they will pay any reasonable offer for Bledsoe. That to me mean it has a limit! If hes offered a max we would have a fallback guy in Turner who the Suns could pay half the money of what Bledsoe would cost and keep the team more flexible at other positions.

Not even all that were do you get this Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner idea? I never said that. Its yet another reason to make the deal Bledsoe returning this season is the biggest question mark this team has. What you described about Turner above as well is really what we need. Dragic is carrying this team we need another ball handler who can create and dish. Outside the Defense Bledsoe is the exact same player.. Cant shoot the 3, Needs to the ball so cry me a river.

[jcsunsfan]

McD's interview.

Cannot confirm or deny conversations took place.
What has been reported is not what actually took place.
Not going to give up a pick for a player that will be a free agent this summer (especially unrestricted).
Not going to short-cut the rebuilding process.
It would have been nice to have Okafor to play for the Suns.
Okafor's contract is an attractive trade piece.
Not going to trade it just to trade it.
It is very possible that the Suns do nothing.
Haven't made or received alot of calls recently.
Really likes the chemistry of the team right now. So not going to make a trade just to do it.
With Eric, we are a good team with depth at every position.
Really concerned to not mess up the present chemistry.
Pointed out teams that are really good on paper but don't win because of bad chemistry.
Any player that comes in has to fit.
Ownership is willing to pay the extra salary if necessary to win. Will not spend more on a lateral move.


http://arizonasports.com/41/1698086/Gam ... -Pau-Gasol (click the link on the right side panel)

[lilfishi22]

McD's interview.

Cannot confirm or deny conversations took place.
What has been reported is not what actually took place.
Not going to give up a pick for a player that will be a free agent this summer (especially unrestricted).
Not going to short-cut the rebuilding process.
It would have been nice to have Okafor to play for the Suns.
Okafor's contract is an attractive trade piece.
Not going to trade it just to trade it.
It is very possible that the Suns do nothing.
Haven't made or received alot of calls recently.
Really likes the chemistry of the team right now. So not going to make a trade just to do it.
With Eric, we are a good team with depth at every position.
Really concerned to not mess up the present chemistry.
Pointed out teams that are really good on paper but don't win because of bad chemistry.
Any player that comes in has to fit.
Ownership is willing to pay the extra salary if necessary to win. Will not spend more on a lateral move.


http://arizonasports.com/41/1698086/Gam ... -Pau-Gasol (click the link on the right side panel)

All good stuff I wanted to hear from McD. Love that he's putting an emphasis on fit and chemistry over an upgrade in a vacuum. Also liked that we're not going to make a move just to make a move.

[Phystic]

Turner to phx man it has to many benefits to it worth the ind pick

What benefits? He isn't a defensive minded player, he can't shoot the three well, and he isn't very good off the ball(he needs the ball in his hands really). So how does that fit next to Dragic and Bledsoe? or a good defensive team? And he would need to be resigned this summer. Do we not only spend the pick but then spend our cap space on him?

If we are doing that I'd rather go after Deng despite him being older.

You look at it extremely wrong.

If we are going to go after a rental Turner is the better option because he have control of him during the off season unlike Gasol. The Lakers have said they are really interested in Bledsoe and I'm sure half the league is. The Suns said they will pay any reasonable offer for Bledsoe. That to me mean it has a limit! If hes offered a max we would have a fallback guy in Turner who the Suns could pay half the money of what Bledsoe would cost and keep the team more flexible at other positions.

Not even all that were do you get this Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner idea? I never said that. Its yet another reason to make the deal Bledsoe returning this season is the biggest question mark this team has. What you described about Turner above as well is really what we need. Dragic is carrying this team we need another ball handler who can create and dish. Outside the Defense Bledsoe is the exact same player.. Cant shoot the 3, Needs to the ball so cry me a river.

What do you mean where do I get Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner? Is your idea to trade for Turner then let Bledsoe or Turner walk? If so, thank god you aren't the GM. The point would be to resign him which then brings me to my complaint that those three do not make sense together. Bledsoe is definitely the better shooter, you can see it in the confidence and mechanics. His percentages are better as well. Turner is exactly what we need? I agree we need a ball handler but we need a shooter/defender at that position.

If you are talking Turner being the better option for a half season rental then I completely disagree. If the Suns want a half season rental to maintain flexibility while maximizing their opportunities this season then Pau Gasol is a much better choice than Evan Turner. I will take a proven all-star who is capable of making plays in multiple ways over a young kid who is having a good year on a terrible team while every other year he's been in the league he's been a disappointment. Turner may be a better long term investment since he still has the ability to improve but half season rental is Gasol hands down.

If you seriously think McD is going to let Bledsoe walk then I don't know what to tell you. I don't see any way we let Bledsoe walk. We will match, whether we are happy with the contract is another thing. We will match and then trade him if they don't want the burden of his contract. He doesn't have the history of injuries that Eric Gordon had and we were willing to pay him(yes I realize that wasn't McD)

Cry you a river? Mature. Your idea simply doesn't make sense. You aren't the first person to suggest it, and you won't be the last. Turner simply doesn't make sense with Dragic/Bledsoe. So unless they plan on moving one of those players then no thanks. Have fun playing in your river.

[NaturalBuns]

What benefits? He isn't a defensive minded player, he can't shoot the three well, and he isn't very good off the ball(he needs the ball in his hands really). So how does that fit next to Dragic and Bledsoe? or a good defensive team? And he would need to be resigned this summer. Do we not only spend the pick but then spend our cap space on him?

If we are doing that I'd rather go after Deng despite him being older.

You look at it extremely wrong.

If we are going to go after a rental Turner is the better option because he have control of him during the off season unlike Gasol. The Lakers have said they are really interested in Bledsoe and I'm sure half the league is. The Suns said they will pay any reasonable offer for Bledsoe. That to me mean it has a limit! If hes offered a max we would have a fallback guy in Turner who the Suns could pay half the money of what Bledsoe would cost and keep the team more flexible at other positions.

Not even all that were do you get this Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner idea? I never said that. Its yet another reason to make the deal Bledsoe returning this season is the biggest question mark this team has. What you described about Turner above as well is really what we need. Dragic is carrying this team we need another ball handler who can create and dish. Outside the Defense Bledsoe is the exact same player.. Cant shoot the 3, Needs to the ball so cry me a river.

What do you mean where do I get Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner? Is your idea to trade for Turner then let Bledsoe or Turner walk? If so, thank god you aren't the GM. The point would be to resign him which then brings me to my complaint that those three do not make sense together. Bledsoe is definitely the better shooter, you can see it in the confidence and mechanics. His percentages are better as well. Turner is exactly what we need? I agree we need a ball handler but we need a shooter/defender at that position.

If you are talking Turner being the better option for a half season rental then I completely disagree. If the Suns want a half season rental to maintain flexibility while maximizing their opportunities this season then Pau Gasol is a much better choice than Evan Turner. I will take a proven all-star who is capable of making plays in multiple ways over a young kid who is having a good year on a terrible team while every other year he's been in the league he's been a disappointment. Turner may be a better long term investment since he still has the ability to improve but half season rental is Gasol hands down.

If you seriously think McD is going to let Bledsoe walk then I don't know what to tell you. I don't see any way we let Bledsoe walk. We will match, whether we are happy with the contract is another thing. We will match and then trade him if they don't want the burden of his contract. He doesn't have the history of injuries that Eric Gordon had and we were willing to pay him(yes I realize that wasn't McD)

Cry you a river? Mature. Your idea simply doesn't make sense. You aren't the first person to suggest it, and you won't be the last. Turner simply doesn't make sense with Dragic/Bledsoe. So unless they plan on moving one of those players then no thanks. Have fun playing in your river.

Guess we will see the Pau trade is dead so thats one thing down.

[Ring_Wanted]

Turner to phx man it has to many benefits to it worth the ind pick

What benefits? He isn't a defensive minded player, he can't shoot the three well, and he isn't very good off the ball(he needs the ball in his hands really). So how does that fit next to Dragic and Bledsoe? or a good defensive team? And he would need to be resigned this summer. Do we not only spend the pick but then spend our cap space on him?

If we are doing that I'd rather go after Deng despite him being older.

You look at it extremely wrong.

If we are going to go after a rental Turner is the better option because he have control of him during the off season unlike Gasol. The Lakers have said they are really interested in Bledsoe and I'm sure half the league is. The Suns said they will pay any reasonable offer for Bledsoe. That to me mean it has a limit! If hes offered a max we would have a fallback guy in Turner who the Suns could pay half the money of what Bledsoe would cost and keep the team more flexible at other positions.

Not even all that were do you get this Dragic/Bledsoe/Turner idea? I never said that. Its yet another reason to make the deal Bledsoe returning this season is the biggest question mark this team has. What you described about Turner above as well is really what we need. Dragic is carrying this team we need another ball handler who can create and dish. Outside the Defense Bledsoe is the exact same player.. Cant shoot the 3, Needs to the ball so cry me a river.

I believe that there are benefits in having Turner. For starters he has showed that he can score, which one could say that any scrub can do in the NBA but that's not exactly absent from fallacy (Yeah, Mike James). But leaving aside the %s, efficiency, etc, all real concerns, his style of offense is about having the ball, indeed, and making plays. We absolutely lack a player who can do this besides Goran and Bledsoe. His skillset, much in the sense of Pau in the post, is something this team can't say it has well covered, and some nights it becomes a problem. One that Loul Deng, for instance, wouldn't mitigate. And very much like Pau, if the price is not stupid, I could be willing to take a flyer on him.

And again, like in Pau's case, if there is a better option both assets-cap-game wise, I'm all ears, but nowadays the League is not exactly oozing with available wing creators.

Would he be a rental? Probably, but wouldn't be impossible for him to produce well enough that he is wanted back, which then would be a matter or numbers over the summer, but that's beyond the point at this moment, at least to me.

I see what seems people philosophically opposed to spend for a rental. I can see why, and respect it, but in my case, as the trade deadline approaches I'd go with the following mindset:

I am a buyer (because I want to give myself the best shot at making the playoffs and doing something once there).

I have Okafor and Indiana's pick (also second rounders and maybe Archie) to spend on the two main needs I've spot over the season, with and without Bledsoe.

In order to discuss about bigger assets, you'd need to blow me away with a name.

Whoever comes up with the better offer considering all factors, gets a deal. If nothing makes sense, I can afford to stand pat.

[INFORMER-93]

Outside the Defense Bledsoe is the exact same player.. Cant shoot the 3, Needs to the ball so cry me a river.

Bledsoe is in another world athletically than Evan Turner, and it makes a huge difference on the court. Bledsoe can get to the hole almost at will, while Turner settles for driving into a defender and trying to hoist off balance mid-range jump shots. And Bledsoe is a better shooter than Turner.

[bwgood77]

As far as getting a guy who can hit the 3 and play off the ball, why don't we go after Brandon Rush? He hit 45% from 3 with GS before he got injured, and has been in no man's land in Utah. We could probably get him for close to nothing, and I bet with our culture and team, he could get back to hitting 3's at that rate.

[INFORMER-93]

It would be somewhat foolhardy to give up anything for a player you can just sign for the league minimum in the offseason. I'm also not crazy about giving up anything for a player with his injury history, drug suspension, and other off the court issues.

[Ring_Wanted]

I could see room for him next season if Marcus was moved or demoted.

[BobbieL]

I could see room for him next season if Marcus was moved or demoted.

I think they are a package deal - they play so much better as a tandem.

[Sunsdeuce]

Seriously, jcsunsfan, u have got to stop posting on the lakers thread. The lakers suck with little hope if fixing the situation quickly. It's a hard pill to swallow if ur a lakers fan.

No reason to pour salt in the wound. Hanah Montana on the lakers board is seriously close to hurting himself.

I apologize to lakers fans.

[Fo-Real]

Yes... like Kerrsed said a while back, just dont post on thier board. They are touchey little B!$#HES, and there is no need to keep going over there to try and prove a point or point things out, they remind me of irrartional women right now. I really hope this thing is dead, its really stupid that we have 36 pages of arguing over picks or no picks, with the pink and gold fans. I PROPOSE THIS THREAD GETS LOCKED!!! This horse is beat to death... let it die in peace before the girls from the other bord (wont mention any names) feel compelled to tell us what will happen again. If something comes back up start new.

[Fo-Real]

I.B.T.L!!!!! DO IT KERRSED!!! Turn our backs on them needy chicks!!!

[Kerrsed]

Since this trade seems to be dead and to stop the hate i will lock this thread. I might re-open if the Gasol BS comes back closer to the deadline, until then use the trade thread for trade ideas.