Archie Goodwin Assigned to D-League

[Ring_Wanted]

I could live with him lacking a decent shot if he was able to finish around the basket, but so far he has shown little in this regard. When we drafted him I said that he should be developed from defense. The only thing he has going for him right now is his athleticism. I'd have him to totally focus on D, instruct him to force nothing on O and going from there. We are a fastbreak team. If he could give us relevant one on one defense, he'd have chances to score easy baskets just by running.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I could live with him lacking a decent shot if he was able to finish around the basket, but so far he has shown little in this regard. When we drafted him I said that he should be developed from defense. The only thing he has going for him right now is his athleticism. I'd have him to totally focus on D, instruct him to force nothing on O and going from there. We are a fastbreak team. If he could give us relevant one on one defense, he'd have chances to score easy baskets just by running.

i actually think improving his shot will help him as a finisher. Right now defenders know the only thing he's comfortable with is a wild drive to the basket so they can plan accordingly. Maturing physically will help this too.

Your right though that on the ball d is where he has a ton of potential. I think he'll continue to get better at that as he understands his opponents and what he can and can't get away with (same for Len). D and fouling too much is something almost every rook struggles with.

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[thamadkant]

He needs to add 10-15 pounds on his frame, at 19 its understandable.


Getting tons of minutes and burn in D-league is good for him physically, cant get him to sit down and regress fitness wise.

I'm still very high on him (as most know), but after seeing Jeremy Lamb become a decent SG for the Thunder, I'm even more high on Archie now. Lamb spent several games in the D-league and physically got stronger and he is a capable player now with more upside to follow.

[bwgood77]

Kevin Pelton
(4:42 PM)



To the latter question, the D-League is a higher level of play than the NCAA but not as high as Europe. At the same time, offensive numbers tend to be inflated in the D-League because of the fast pace and because the offenses are ahead of the defenses. So it's not quite the same as scoring 20-plus per game in the NCAA.

[Revived]

Went to the game today and I must say, Archie needs to add weight and strength. He looked small compared to some of the D league guards and small forwards and that's not good. However, I must say that he looks the most innocent out of the rest of them. A girl that sat kinda near by even made the comment that Goodwin is the only "cute" basketball player on the court and that the rest of them are lucky that their rich...apparently she doesn't know that D leaguers made less than $50k.

Secondly, D league is TERRIBLE. My goodness guys, if you seriously think that any player going there is gonna make them better, I have news for you. Go to a Jam game and tell me that you believe it without laughing. Its PLAYGROUND BASKETBALL. Literally nobody cares. The Jam also suck terribly. The only thing Goodwin can benefit from playing for the Jam is getting exercise and a losing culture. I feel so bad for Goodwin...Bakersfield is already pretty bad it is and the Jam and their players and coaches are worse. Being sent to the Jam must feel like being sentenced to prison for Goodwin. He comes from Kentucky when he had John Calipari as HC to now Bill Voigt as HC? HA! Goodwin's gotta think that he's living a nightmare. There is no defense played and there is very little flow to the offense. Its probably just me but I think playing with the Jam will make Goodwin worse defensively.

I absolutely mean it when I say that the NBA, NCAA, Euro basketball, and WNBA are all WAY more competitive than the D league.

Lastly, Goodwin did play well give the circumstances. He looked out of synch with his teammates and had very little idea what their tendencies are. That's a given considered he's hardly played with them before. However his jump shots didn't look so flat and he used his speed and quickness pretty well. He still had some trouble finishing at the rim in traffic but I think added weight and strength should do the trick. Jam had him run PG a lot and he didn't look overwhelmed though I must say that his handles could use work. I felt like he dribbled a little too high. Goodwin also gambled and failed quite a bit defensively.

Goodwin also had some big time dunks in the game and the crowd and we were all screaming when it happened lol.

I think playing with guys he's never played before and randomly playing 3 games with a new team and then coming back to PHX will confuse Goodwin more than develop him. IMO they should just keep him in PHX for rest of the season but if they do want him to play D league, then leave him in the D league for the rest of the season. I think the worst is him playing 2 games here and then going back and then playing 2 games again and going back. What is that accomplishing?

I think Goodwin could drop 140 pts in the D league and it wouldn't matter. Its really not impressive and an extremely boring league. Its no wonder really that Jam give away so many tickets, nobody in their right mind would pay hard earned cash to watch these guys play.

[thamadkant]

D league is good for players still developing because they get to experiment due to the lack of defense.. They get to improve their fitness too.

It's a "stint" to get to shoot the ball, run full court against similarly athletic players and in this case men...
So Goodwin gets to bang with them.

It's not perfect and not ideal..

I rather have Goodwin playing 15 minutes in the NBA... But it's not going to happen this season.
You also can't send him back to NCAA... Or Europe since it's inconvenient and suns want him readily available for call up.

Again 19 years old and scoring 25+ against men who are trying to make the NBA or use to be NBA players is not all negative.

[INFORMER-93]

Secondly, D league is TERRIBLE. My goodness guys, if you seriously think that any player going there is gonna make them better, I have news for you

It did for Marcus Morris.

And I love that you have the entire league figured out after attending one game.

[INFORMER-93]

Jeremy Lamb and Reggie Jackson also spent time in the d league. So did Terrence Jones. All three are currently thriving.

[Revived]

Jeremy Lamb and Reggie Jackson also spent time in the d league. So did Terrence Jones. All three are currently thriving.

I don't think the D league is what helped them, I think they just needed the opportunity. If iremember correctly, Jackson, and Lamb were on teams with guys better than them ahead of them. For Jackson it was Harden, Lamb it was Kevin Martin and I think Terrence Jones just needed some playing time which he didn't get his rookie year.

And this isn't the first D league game I have been to. It's just my take on it though, the D league does not look very competitive to me at all.

[INFORMER-93]

Jones didn't get playing time because he wasn't ready. None of those guys were. So in the mean time, they went to the d league, which is what is happening to Goodwin right now. To say it didn't help those guys is kind of baseless. And at the very least, it clearly didn't hurt them.

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[RunDogGun]

He looks so much more relaxed in those DLeague highlights than he has in many games in the NBA. Hopefully it helps him, because at times we could really use someone balling.

[Phystic]

How is that any different than Archie Goodwin? Or any other prospect that is sent down to the D-league? It's because they aren't getting minutes and need some burn and some practice in game.

Not sure how you reasoning for Lamb/Jones/Jackson changes anything.