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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#21 » by Qwigglez » Mon May 26, 2014 9:54 am

Fo-Real wrote:What we need is an ultimate post presence. Not all five guys need to be gazelles. We need someone who is a force in the middle, a guy who commands double teams to open up the perimeter. Have to sag in on him to help, with dragic, bled, green, and fry more open to shoot or drive. And if you dont double or sag, you cant stop himone on one!


Well that certainly isn't Love. Randolph could do that, but he doesn't fit our system. Only other player in free agency to target is Pau Gasol and he would fit our system perfectly :D
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#22 » by King4Day » Mon May 26, 2014 11:45 am

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Fo-Real wrote:Isnt Hayward asking for money in the same ball park as Deng? If the price tag was the same, who dose everyone think would be the better player to be on this team?? Is it Deng... older, probably better at this point.. vet leader? Or Gordon... younger... probably not worth that kind of coin yet, but young and still developing?



I think all of this Love chatter is going to allow us to quietly pick up Hayward.....like Nash in 2004.


You can't quietly pick up a restricted free agent. There is no more chance Utah lets him go than there is us letting Bledsoe go ESPECIALLY now that it is unlikely they get Jabari Parker.

Not sure why people keep bringing him up. Jazz are in an even better cap position than we are and don't have another 3 and their draft spot isn't in a great spot to get a 3 AND Utah is not a place they can expect to sign someone else as a free agent easily.


Good points. Sounds like Utah has no reasons not to match any offer which sucks

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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#23 » by DRK » Mon May 26, 2014 1:32 pm

Fo-Real wrote:What we need is an ultimate post presence. Not all five guys need to be gazelles. We need someone who is a force in the middle, a guy who commands double teams to open up the perimeter. Have to sag in on him to help, with dragic, bled, green, and fry more open to shoot or drive. And if you dont double or sag, you cant stop himone on one!


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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#24 » by Fo-Real » Mon May 26, 2014 3:09 pm

DRK wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:What we need is an ultimate post presence. Not all five guys need to be gazelles. We need someone who is a force in the middle, a guy who commands double teams to open up the perimeter. Have to sag in on him to help, with dragic, bled, green, and fry more open to shoot or drive. And if you dont double or sag, you cant stop himone on one!


2010 Amare Stoudemire would be perfect for this team. Perfect[/quote


Randolph fits the description. He doesn't fit our previous only run and gun system... he does fit our goal of having a rebounding monster slash go to post player when we need a big hoop. Putting out a blanket statement like he cant fit isshortsighted, coaches make people fit.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#25 » by Puff » Mon May 26, 2014 4:55 pm

We really could use another playmaker alongside Goran and Bledsoe.

That is why I am interested in Hayward. If we get him fine, if we don't not a big deal.

Kyle Anderson could be a better long term solution and far more cap friendly.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#26 » by gaspar » Mon May 26, 2014 6:52 pm

BurningHeart wrote:For this team, Randolph is not a good fit at all

Wish we'd stop talking about him. Good player, rebounds well, but other than that not what we need. Antithesis of Suns basketball.

It seems like people who want Z-Bo, Pau or Boozer in Phoenix didn't watch a single Suns game last season.

We don't need a plodding PF, who doesn't run and would clog the lane for our backcourt. We already have pretty darn good post-scoring PF, who is much younger, can run, stretch the floor and is still on his rookie contract.

PPP on post-ups last year:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Randolph 0.88 (892 plays)
Pau 0.83 (435 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

The Grizzlies with a heavy dose of Z-Bo's post-ups ranked 17th in offensive efficiency in the league last year. The Suns were 8th.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#27 » by sunsbum » Tue May 27, 2014 6:32 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:What we need is an ultimate post presence. Not all five guys need to be gazelles. We need someone who is a force in the middle, a guy who commands double teams to open up the perimeter. Have to sag in on him to help, with dragic, bled, green, and fry more open to shoot or drive. And if you dont double or sag, you cant stop himone on one!


Well that certainly isn't Love. Randolph could do that, but he doesn't fit our system. Only other player in free agency to target is Pau Gasol and he would fit our system perfectly :D



Marc Gasol would be amazing on this team. But that's just unnecessary rosterbation. This is why I want the suns to trade up for randle. Hes going to be a offensive banger and he's still athletic enough to get up and down the floor as well as defend any 4 once he fills out that sexy ass frame (nohomo)
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#28 » by sunsbum » Tue May 27, 2014 6:38 pm

I think when people say Boozer or Randolph they are using them as examples of someone you can throw it down to on the block and get a crunch time bucket. Markieff is great but I don't think he's that guy. Although if he makes another jump like last summer I might be singing a different tune.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#29 » by MathiasPW » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:05 pm

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We don't need a plodding PF, who doesn't run and would clog the lane for our backcourt. We already have pretty darn good post-scoring PF, who is much younger, can run, stretch the floor and is still on his rookie contract.

PPP on post-ups last year:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Randolph 0.88 (892 plays)
Pau 0.83 (435 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

The Grizzlies with a heavy dose of Z-Bo's post-ups ranked 17th in offensive efficiency in the league last year. The Suns were 8th.


And always so much focus on the offense. Our offense is just fine, we need a boost on defense. Per Hollinger:

OFF Eff Ranking: 8th
TS% Ranking: 7th
Effective FG % Ranking: 7th

And then:

Rebound Rate (missed shots that we rebound): 16th
DEF Eff Ranking: 13th
% of Shots Blocked: 20th
Opponent FG %: 15th

...

The only offensive stat we suck at is TO ratio, and that is not really something related to the PF or C position, but much more to the ball handlers. The only defensive stat we are good at is steals per opponent possession, which is also not too related to the PF and C position, but more to perimeter defense.

So the whole argument based on spacing, and increasing offensive efficiency sounds dull to me, as that is not the major area of improvement we need to work on. Plus, a better defense leads to more transition offense, something the Suns are excelling at, so even our offensive numbers would improve with better interior defense.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#30 » by JMac1 » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:37 pm

I'm off of the Gordon Hayward expensive train now.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#31 » by NaturalBuns » Thu Jun 5, 2014 7:49 pm

gaspar wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:For this team, Randolph is not a good fit at all

Wish we'd stop talking about him. Good player, rebounds well, but other than that not what we need. Antithesis of Suns basketball.

It seems like people who want Z-Bo, Pau or Boozer in Phoenix didn't watch a single Suns game last season.

We don't need a plodding PF, who doesn't run and would clog the lane for our backcourt. We already have pretty darn good post-scoring PF, who is much younger, can run, stretch the floor and is still on his rookie contract.

PPP on post-ups last year:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Randolph 0.88 (892 plays)
Pau 0.83 (435 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

The Grizzlies with a heavy dose of Z-Bo's post-ups ranked 17th in offensive efficiency in the league last year. The Suns were 8th.



Zbo, Pau, boozer do not "clog anything"
They all have respectful mid range games.

The only thing would be the pace the suns play at.
Which is fast but it's not anything like the SSOL says.

And your comparing markieff numbers who goes against bench bigs against others who face starters so that's very misleading. I wouldn't take boozer but Pau and Randolph would be nice IMO.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#32 » by Cutter » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:15 am

I'm good with signing Pau.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#33 » by TASTIC » Fri Jun 6, 2014 4:51 pm

Cutter wrote:I'm good with signing Pau.

Depends on the cost, I'd be very happy with $25m over 3, but he's going to want/get at least $10m per...
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#34 » by csavage658 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 5:11 pm

What about Al Horford? He is more of a stretch 4/5 and can really help us in the rebounding department. I can see Atlanta getting rid of him before Minny gives up K Love and we could build a package that Atlanta would probably jump all over.
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Post#35 » by Cutter » Sat Jun 7, 2014 1:51 am

csavage658 wrote:What about Al Horford? He is more of a stretch 4/5 and can really help us in the rebounding department. I can see Atlanta getting rid of him before Minny gives up K Love and we could build a package that Atlanta would probably jump all over.

Horford would be awesome. What would you suggest we trade for him without gutting the team?
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Post#36 » by SunsFanSSOL » Sat Jun 7, 2014 8:56 am

The most I'd give Gordon Hayward is $5-6m a year.
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Post#37 » by thamadkant » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:41 am

I would pay Hayward 8-9 million... If I was Suns FO...

Dude can be a great glue guy type player who can punish the other team because they aren't focused on him...
Someone who does everything, who can spot up and shoot, drive and have option to score or pass... And play defense.... Not to mention handle the ball.

But Jazz misses out on a SF this draft so they match any offer.
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Re: Gordon Hayward 

Post#38 » by csavage658 » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:11 pm

Cutter wrote:
csavage658 wrote:What about Al Horford? He is more of a stretch 4/5 and can really help us in the rebounding department. I can see Atlanta getting rid of him before Minny gives up K Love and we could build a package that Atlanta would probably jump all over.

Horford would be awesome. What would you suggest we trade for him without gutting the team?


Maybe Channing, Gerald, 14/18/27 for Horford and 15?

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