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Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20)

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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#461 » by Saberestar » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:03 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Sunsss wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheMattPetersen/status/561406716739190784[/tweet]


I dont buy that one bit. Sounds shady. Either he is being traded (which i doubt) or we were giving more of his minutes to Marcus to showcase him to the Bulls and/or other teams that might be interested in him (them).

I think that FINALLY Hornacek is not getting confortable with Green out there shooting out of rythm and taking a lot of "bad" decisions. They know that he will not be here next year, and he is not helping the team enough to playing him consistent minutes.
I think that after this game he will play only occasional minutes, some games 15- 20 minutes and some games DNP...and before the trade deadline he will be traded to a contender for a pick or some young player. Wait and see.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#462 » by Sunlight » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:06 pm

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Sunlight wrote:Can someone explain Hornys idea not to burn clock when 1 min left and up by 10. Suns style play basketball is already so exciting and crowd happy so no need more thriller extra coming. It's more like tank mode than winning basketball.

It was Bledsoe taking premature decisions on offense. He played an amazing game, but he made two bad decisions in the las minute...and then a great clutch shot to close the game.

Ok then. Maybe its just tired player decisions than low IQ. Hope next time better decisions so no need even take those clutch shots when game already over.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#463 » by NavLDO » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:56 pm

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ginobiliflops wrote:lol at you all. Complaining about a guy who gets us 16 and 6 on near 50% shooting. Not to mention he's our best shooter down the stretch.


When your team is near the bottom of the league in rebound differential and allows the most second chance points in the NBA, asking your starting power forward to box out is not an outrageous complaint.

I'm not in the trade Keiff camp, but less than 6 rebounds per game on a team which is 5th in the NBA in field goal attempts (both offence and defence) is pretty damn bad. Rebounding is especially important for this team because of our issues on defence (one and done) as well as our ability to run the fast break (outlet passes).

Loved the effort on the boards tonight though, hope Markeiff (and the rest of the Suns) keep this up. I'm a big fan of the bigger Len/Wright line-up as well, too bad Alex was in foul trouble most of the night so we didn't really get a chance to see it much but I'm hopeful Hornacek will use it again against Memphis.


As someone who isn't able to watch games, how often do they have Len and Wright on the floor at the same time? Because I agree. If we could play 10-15 minutes with both on the court, with PJ, either of Goodwin/Bullock and EB on the floor during those times, our D would be pretty darn good. Like, maybe, last night when we had a 10 pt lead with about a minute to go, those are the situations, IMO, where we get that combo on the court, is when they would be best suited to be the group we put on the floor, right? Our offense would suffer a bit, but if they practiced that group together, and get it into EB's head that during those times, you feed Wright or Len down low, or he takes it to the hoop before shooting, they'd get that higher percentage shot, plus surely several fouls along the way. And with Wright's 72%, and Len's near 73% FT%, we should be able to make 7 out of 10 of those free throws, to keep us ahead. And just for reference, Bullock is a 80%, Goodwin is a 70%, EB is a 82%, and PJ is a 78% FT shooter. So they really don't have a good option of players to intentionally foul (Goodwin being the best option for opposing teams--Shock! Awe! lol).

And BTW, a couple of other notes:

1. We are 3-2 so far on this 8 game 'prove it' stretch, but with likely our 3 most difficult opponents of the stretch yet to face.

2. Since mid-December, we are 16-6; here are team records we are most concerned about:
-- OKC - 11-10
-- SAS - 13-9
-- NOP - 13-10
-- LAC - 15-8
-- POR - 13-9
-- DAL - 13-9

And before anyone counters with our soft schedule, we've played 11 home, 11 away, and 13 of 22 against teams currently "in" playoffs, and 14 of 22 against teams .500 or better, of which we are 8-6.

So while it seems we are not doing as well as we'd like, and not good enough to get into the playoffs, I'd argue that we are playing about as good as we should expect, and even if we lose the next 3 games, which seems fairly likely, we'll still be 16-9 since mid-Dec, which would be good enough to STILL be as good or better than any of the teams above, minus NOP. So just trying to put things into perspective a bit. I'm not saying we are a shoe in for that 8th seed, or that we don't have some serious issues to iron out. Just saying that we aren't "doomed" to lose that 8th seed, so long as we play as well as we have since mid-Dec, and I'd argue we are more likely to get the 7th seed, than lose the 8th seed, should we continue on this current pace, and the teams ahead of us continue their play as well.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#464 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:06 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Marcus with the beat down!


Thats not funny anymore.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#465 » by Revived » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:18 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Marcus with the beat down!


Thats not funny anymore.

I don't think it ever was.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#466 » by JMac1 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:18 pm

1UPZ wrote:After Markieff's 14 rebound game, he is now averaging 5.9 rebounds for January!


:lol:

They weren't real rebounds....I know it sounds ridiculous, but it is true!
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#467 » by JMac1 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:20 pm

SF88 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:If Bledsoe can hit those mid range jumpers consistently like he has this game he will be an all-star next year.

He's been playing the man lately. Amazing consistency from him this month.


He is still out of control, but the ability is there.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#468 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:58 pm

SF88 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:lol at you all. Complaining about a guy who gets us 16 and 6 on near 50% shooting. Not to mention he's our best shooter down the stretch.

What's wrong with asking him to rebound and defend? Didn't everyone bitch about Amare not doing that during his entire tenture here?


Amare wasn't just a bad rebounder, he was atrocious on defense. I don't think Kieff is nearly as bad. Let's get Gaspar to look that up for us.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#469 » by thamadkant » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:54 am

Kerrsed wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Kieff with 14 rebounds. We need a real PF.

Yeah, because he gets 14 rebounds ALL THE TIME. :roll:

1UPZ wrote:After Markieff's 14 rebound game, he is now averaging 5.9 rebounds for January!


Well to be fair, there are only 54 other PF eligible players that average more! :lol:



My post was tongue in cheek... a lot of posters dis Brook Lopez for averaging 6 rebounds but Markieff Morris's 6 is passable.
When Brook Lopez provides proper interior defense and inside scoring.... both are as good, but I lean towards Brook Lopez since he has proven he can be a 20/8/2 player.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#470 » by Revived » Sun Feb 1, 2015 8:43 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
SF88 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:lol at you all. Complaining about a guy who gets us 16 and 6 on near 50% shooting. Not to mention he's our best shooter down the stretch.

What's wrong with asking him to rebound and defend? Didn't everyone bitch about Amare not doing that during his entire tenture here?


Amare wasn't just a bad rebounder, he was atrocious on defense. I don't think Kieff is nearly as bad. Let's get Gaspar to look that up for us.

Kieff is also terrible defensively.

Suns haven't had a starting PF that doesn't suck on defense in a very, very long time. Kieff, Fre, Amare, you name it.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#471 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Feb 1, 2015 10:54 am

SF88 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
SF88 wrote:What's wrong with asking him to rebound and defend? Didn't everyone bitch about Amare not doing that during his entire tenture here?


Amare wasn't just a bad rebounder, he was atrocious on defense. I don't think Kieff is nearly as bad. Let's get Gaspar to look that up for us.

Kieff is also terrible defensively.

Suns haven't had a starting PF that doesn't suck on defense in a very, very long time. Kieff, Fre, Amare, you name it.

He's nowhere near as bad as Frye or Amare on defense lol. C'mon son.
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Re: Game 48: Chicago Bulls (30-17) @ Phoenix Suns (27-20) 

Post#472 » by Frank Lee » Sun Feb 1, 2015 3:45 pm

Frye is a safe comparison.... but Amare ? Who cares about Amare's D. Stat was a go to if need two guy.... and 1
When he was priming.... oh my... (insert Stephon Marbury post dunk expression) Keif is no where near young good kneed/eyed Amare.
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