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Of the Summer league guys, who would you most like to see make our team?

Mickey McConnell
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6%
Mike James
26
50%
Josh Harrellson
23
44%
 
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1121 » by saintEscaton » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:24 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Steve Nashidis wrote: GIVE me some video ...some youtube urls in order to see this development .
Here you go.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i22QtHWRU[/youtube]


Where is the development?? At the most highlight the real danger was Bledsoe or Dragic . they were being doubled team all the time and passed to alex.How many post moves can you count in this video? one ?, two? ten? 20? . I will give you the answer. 5 .
1. at 5.31
2. 6.01
3 7.05
4. 7.25
5. 8.14

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDNIDfSpMw[/youtube]
Dont try to count in this video. The Title will give you the answer


I was praying that we could somehow pry DMo away from Houston in exchange for Dragic although he would have been a half season rental for them. He's easily already the best young back to the basket big with a refined, fundamentally sound post repertoire that puts Dwight to shame and a near indefensible hookshot that would draw praise from Hakeem The Dream himself
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1122 » by plonden » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:37 am

Wow, Motiejunas has an incredibly sophisticated arsenal of post moves. I did not know that. His footwork is outstanding. He has moves and countermoves. He uses the glass. He can spin both directions. He finishes with both hands. Very nice. The only other current player I can think of who has such a developed repertoire of post moves is Al Jefferson. Interesting that both D-Mo and Al-Jeff have been coached by Kevin McHale, who is one of the all-time great post players in the NBA. Pretty soon we'll have to add Jahlil Okafor to the list. Okafor might have the most developed post game I've ever seen with a rookie.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdz7IAnsZs[/youtube]
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1123 » by PackSuns » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:57 am

It really seems like we should be able to get out and run the ball this year. Looking at our roster it is apparent that we are building a fast paced team that can do a lot of damage in transition. I am a new Suns fan and I don't know the players as well as you folks. Len and Warren should be able to score in transition. Can our bigs outlet pass? Can our guards move the ball up the court via pass? Do we run a decent secondary break? I need to study up big time.
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Post#1124 » by NTB » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:32 am

PackSuns wrote:It really seems like we should be able to get out and run the ball this year. Looking at our roster it is apparent that we are building a fast paced team that can do a lot of damage in transition. I am a new Suns fan and I don't know the players as well as you folks. Len and Warren should be able to score in transition. Can our bigs outlet pass? Can our guards move the ball up the court via pass? Do we run a decent secondary break? I need to study up big time.


Markieff is good at giving outlet passes. Most of our players can score in transition well. But damn, Tucker needs to stop trying to lead a fastbreak. We've been a fastbreak team in McDonough era like every past era of Suns and we definitely need to be a fast-paced / fastbreak team with this squad too. Because our players having troubles when they can't score early and stuck in halfcourt offense. Whenever we are trying to do halfcourt offense, we are going for iso and that doesn't work all the time. Hornacek is a good coach but sometimes I feel that he lacks of halfcourt offense sets. (We don't have a low post / post-up player either. Markieff's post game isn't enough for me and he relies on his shooting whenever he posts up.)

But with new additions like Tyson, Leuer and Teletovic, we can be better at halfcourt offense. Tyson is an underrated finisher IMO. And if we provide more minutes to TJ Warren, he will help us at halfcourt offense too.

Weems also will be great in transition.
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1125 » by Mr Puddles » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:37 am

saintEscaton wrote:
Steve Nashidis wrote:
bwgood77 wrote: Here you go.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6i22QtHWRU[/youtube]


Where is the development?? At the most highlight the real danger was Bledsoe or Dragic . they were being doubled team all the time and passed to alex.How many post moves can you count in this video? one ?, two? ten? 20? . I will give you the answer. 5 .
1. at 5.31
2. 6.01
3 7.05
4. 7.25
5. 8.14

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDNIDfSpMw[/youtube]
Dont try to count in this video. The Title will give you the answer


I was praying that we could somehow pry DMo away from Houston in exchange for Dragic although he would have been a half season rental for them. He's easily already the best young back to the basket big with a refined, fundamentally sound post repertoire that puts Dwight to shame and a near indefensible hookshot that would draw praise from Hakeem The Dream himself


I've always liked DMo and he destroyed the Suns last year in the post (especially against plumlee). It's unfortunate he's such a subpar rebounder, otherwise I would have loved for him to join the Suns as well.

A bit off topic, but I remember when Motiejunas entered the draft and people were comparing him to Nowitzki & Bargnani - which seems to be a common trend with European big men entering the draft. DMo is the embodiment of just how ridiculous and lazy those comparisons are.
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1126 » by NavLDO » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:53 pm

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NavLDO wrote:Exactly. Just because your chances are better of getting all-star talent, doesn't mean you actually draft the better talent. My point was, that I'd hate to go through another season of winning only 20 some-odd games--that season was BRUTAL. I'd much rather take my chances at 13 or 14 and field a competitive team throughout the season.

We drafted top 5 already, and got our talent in Len. Philly has drafted in the top 6 over the last 4 years, is it? How good are they? The lack of faith in McD and Horny is unbelievable--they've been here through 2 seasons, and overall have posted more wins than losses--in the WESTERN conference, no less. Give these guys a chance before going total tank mode. So far they have drafted Len, Warren, and Booker. Anyone have issues with these three? Bad picks? Poor talent? No? Than why all the whining about where we pick? They didn't draft Morris, or Marshall, or Clark. Be upset with the previous regime all you want, but those guys are gone.

And saying "the fact that Russel, Okafor, Towns all have higher ceilings than him"--really? Where is this magical 'ceiling meter' you speak of? I've never seen it myself. No, those guys went higher because they demonstrated perceived higher talent ability. Saying that these guys went higher than Booker because they have 'higher ceilings' doesn't make any sense--considering he's the youngest of everyone in the draft. He went lower due to his perceived weaknesses of defense and athleticism (which he debunked at the combine. But there is no 'magic 8 ball', or magic mathematical formula that says the guy picked at 3 will be better than the guy picked at 13. Is it likely? Sure, but not guaranteed.

Of course just because you have the chance of drafting the better talent doesn't mean you draft it. That's why some teams with terrible GMs continue drafting in the top 5 for a long time. The question is, do you trust McD to make the right pick with a top 10 pick or do you expect him to Kahn it or something? I think I'd trust with him it until I'm proven wrong. I don't count the worst draft in sports history as a way to judge his drafting skills.

I do have one question though, you said you would hate to go through another brutal season of winning 20 games and would rather be competitive and miss playoffs and take home the #13-#14 pick....did you not find last season brutal? I have yet to meet anyone who actually enjoyed last season. Even McD himself said in an interview with Gambo towards end of the season that this season was not good for them (he went on to say that's why he expects some pretty big changes in the off season).

I found this last season pretty damn brutal even though Suns won 39 games.


Oh, absolutely did I find the last 20 or so games 'brutal'--at least before they started some of the young guns that last couple of games. No, we were not competitive, but we also had a major overhaul of our roster, and our best 'return' got injured the last 20 games, so essentially we lost Dragic and IT, and got back future picks and Knight. Well, when Knight went down, we were essentially down a starter and our '6th man'--then Len didn't play in half of those last 20 games either--so we were down 2 starters. So, hard to competitive under those situations.

But, yes, I trust McD to make the right choice were we to find ourselves with a top 5 pick again. But I personally, am not 'willing' to suffer through another 20 games win season to get it. I understand those that do, but that's a slippery slope you go down to get that pick. First off, the lottery could ed up not in our favor, and we could potentially drop a couple of slots, and then, FA comes around. What are our chances of getting a premium FA to sign here? How long do you think it would have taken LMA to decide on the Spurs if we were a 20 win team last year? Oh, about 5 seconds, because it's likely Tyson wouldn't have signed on as quick as he did, thus not being there for the initial meeting. Sure, I'm speculating here, but I think you get the point--not many Tier 1 or 2 FAs want to sign with a 'rebuilding' team.
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1127 » by plonden » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:17 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/623904101496033280[/tweet]
It should be no surprise that multiple teams are after Mike James. It'd be nice if he spent this season in Spain. The Suns could then be in a good position to sign James next season after Ronnie Price comes off the books.
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Re: Summer League Fun 

Post#1128 » by Matt1979 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:39 pm

Dammit. He'll sign to the Spurs and be awesome!!! Lol

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