Marcus morris

[Safety Pickle]

They did NOT lie! Show me where they made any such promise! The Morris brothers were eager to sign a contract because they wanted to be in control of where they were. They were afraid the Suns would give a QO to Keef but not Marcus. The Suns obliged, but that is by no means a promise not to trade them.

Show me any proof anywhere that the Suns made such a promise. They did not. It would have been foolish to do so.

-They took a contract to play together, and reportedly less money. The entire league knew how bad they wanted to play with each other.
-Their reaction to the news of Marcus being traded. Obviously there was a expectation there, unless what your stating is this whole saga is due to not being notified the right way?

-i've stated "verbal agreement" now mulitiple times over different threads, your the 1st Sun fan to bring this up. If that is not what happened, then Suns FO did absolutely nothing wrong

Everyone replying to you has been stating this. You're obviously not even reading the responses. All you seem to be doing is giving the twins a pass on all their behavior and blaming the Suns FO for everything. Like we're supposed to just ignore all the stuff they've done recently and keep them together like nothing happened

[Blkbrd671]

They did NOT lie! Show me where they made any such promise! The Morris brothers were eager to sign a contract because they wanted to be in control of where they were. They were afraid the Suns would give a QO to Keef but not Marcus. The Suns obliged, but that is by no means a promise not to trade them.

Show me any proof anywhere that the Suns made such a promise. They did not. It would have been foolish to do so.

-They took a contract to play together, and reportedly less money. The entire league knew how bad they wanted to play with each other.
-Their reaction to the news of Marcus being traded. Obviously there was a expectation there, unless what your stating is this whole saga is due to not being notified the right way?

-i've stated "verbal agreement" now mulitiple times over different threads, your the 1st Sun fan to bring this up. If that is not what happened, then Suns FO did absolutely nothing wrong

Please read up on the pertinent information before you go on to make asinine statements as above. "verbal agreement" as in not binding in principle/breachable without legal recourse or consent. The Uniform Player Contract contains clauses which specifically disclaim any other implied or explicit terms not reduced to writing in the agreement itself. So words not on paper mean nothing.All players agree that their contracts will have the same terms and conditions. The only exclusion that differs between them are compensation provisions like bonus structures.

The FO had no formal obligation or stipulation to retain the services of both twins for the remainder of their contracts. The Morii did not meet the eligibility criteria to receive a no trade clause because they haven't been in the league for 8 years or played for the same team for at least 4 years. Only legitimate stars get that option. If anything Markieff should be mad at his agent for not giving him the proper advice of taking a larger portion of the lump sump when it was on the table instead of taking a sacriical paycut for his bro. They both signed individually and it wasn't some mutually inclusive package deal.

If the Morii were dumb enough to truly believe that they had exacted some type of unbreakable vow from the FO to keep them together they are beyond delusion. Furthermore it is against the CBA to force or incentivize a player into signing a contract that is perceived below market value. So that obviously wasn't the case. To conclude your whole argument can be boiled down to victimizing the Morii claiming that the Suns FO operated in bad faith. I think I have refuted all of your points and this argument is now over

Thank you, yes this argument is now over.

My next question is: If PHX knew how bad they wanted to stay together, since everyone knew. WTF would you trade Marcus when you intended on keeping markieff? Is the writing not on the wall? or was MArkieff giving off a different message? You've proven there's clearly nothing wrong with what they did, but was that just a clear underestimation? i read that the intention was to eventually trade Markieff once LMA was signed, any truth to that?

[Blkbrd671]

What agreement? You keep talking like there was some deal in place where we agreed to keep them together. The NBA is a business. Unless you get a no trade clause, you sign a contract knowing full well that at any point you can be sent to another team without your consent. That's how it works

Your whole argument that we hurt their feelings or w/e because we traded Marcus and didn't tell him about it beforehand is absurd. When you behave like a spoiled child you don't get treated like an adult. Its simple

I am under the impression the twins took less money to stay in PHX so they could play together. Your implying that this entire saga is due to the fact they weren't notified the right way? Did they not take less money to stay together?

If you'd actually read, i've stated the twins are idiots for not having that included in the contract. And i am not arguing anything, i am just stating facts.

Just because they had it in their mind to jump on a contract offer with the Suns right away, so they could continue on the same team does not mean that the team in any way promised them that they would not be traded. That would be an assumption that they made and a silly one at that. There is no way in the world that Babby or McD promised that either of them would not be traded. Any GM, but especially on of a rebuilding team looking for a star player, would be an idiot to make that promise.

Maybe they thought they took less money because they wanted to play together. Maybe they thought that doing so would give them that opportunity. That does not mean they had a promise. No one has said they had a promise.

Just because you WANT something, and just because you take initiative to try to get something, does not mean you are promised it. It is interesting because in all their comments and in the comments of reporters, the language was that they took less money so they could stay together, it does not say that they took less money because they were promised to stay together.

The Suns offered them a contract. They thought they might be able to get more on the open market, but they had no guarantees any other team would offer them both a contract. But the Suns were offering them both a contract and allowing them to split it however they wanted. They wanted to stay together so they took it.

No promises. Just the Morris twins trying to make choices to stay together.

Another Suns poster broke down using CBA rules, which totally debunks any implied "promise". i just wanted to say this post was also good in helping see the situation more clearly. I proposed a question to him, curious as to your answer. Why would Suns trade marcus knowing how bad markeiff wanted to play with him,and planned on retaining markieff. Like isn't that "asking for it". i realize from Suns posters comments that it was something that "needed" to be done for team health, but did they really think MArkieff would just ignore it?

[lilfishi22]

Has it been proven that we had an agreement with the MoBros that they would take less money in order to keep them together?

[AtheJ415]

Whether an agreement existed is beside the point. Let's say hypothetically there was an agreement. The circumstances changed drastically since then. Unless you are Lebron, you can't yell at the coach on national tv, aspire to set records for technical fouls, call the fan base the worst in the nba in an interview, then call out the fan base again on twitter, and follow that up with committing felony assault at a youth center.

No players survive that magnitude of absolutely irresponsible BS. The Morris twins, even if an agreement existed, believing that such an agreement entitled them to run around with unlimited authority to act like jackasses and morons, would be the problem. When you do all of that you can't rightfully be upset with the team for then moving one of you. When the Suns signed the Morris twins, they wanted to keep them together. The Morris twins did everything short of going on a killing spree to force the team to HAVE to move at least one, if not both, of them.

[Blkbrd671]

Has it been proven that we had an agreement with the MoBros that they would take less money in order to keep them together?

Please read up on the pertinent information before you go on to make asinine statements as above. "verbal agreement" as in not binding in principle/breachable without legal recourse or consent. The Uniform Player Contract contains clauses which specifically disclaim any other implied or explicit terms not reduced to writing in the agreement itself. So words not on paper mean nothing.All players agree that their contracts will have the same terms and conditions. The only exclusion that differs between them are compensation provisions like bonus structures.

The FO had no formal obligation or stipulation to retain the services of both twins for the remainder of their contracts. The Morii did not meet the eligibility criteria to receive a no trade clause because they haven't been in the league for 8 years or played for the same team for at least 4 years. Only legitimate stars get that option. If anything Markieff should be mad at his agent for not giving him the proper advice of taking a larger portion of the lump sump when it was on the table instead of taking a sacriical paycut for his bro. They both signed individually and it wasn't some mutually inclusive package deal.

If the Morii were dumb enough to truly believe that they had exacted some type of unbreakable vow from the FO to keep them together they are beyond delusion. Furthermore it is against the CBA to force or incentivize a player into signing a contract that is perceived below market value. So that obviously wasn't the case. To conclude your whole argument can be boiled down to victimizing the Morii claiming that the Suns FO operated in bad faith. I think I have refuted all of your points and this argument is now over

saintEscaton laid the hammer down

[nevetsov]

Mostly speculative, but this is how I think it played out.

- Markieff is decent, was part of our long term plans and worth around $10m/per.
- Marcus is an average role player and replaceable. Worth around $3m/per.
- Suns offered the a combined $13m/per, and as a gesture of goodwill let them decide how to split it.

- Twins wanted a guarantee that they would stay together, the reality being that 's not a promise that can be made.

- McD openly stated Markieff was a keeper, and Marcus we know was acquired just to make Kieff happy.
- Their agent got smart and realised the more Marcus was paid (overpaid), the harder it would be to trade him.
- Marcus got an overpay (at the time) meaning the Suns would have to give assets to trade him.
- Thus, the brothers were all but assured (by their agent) of staying together.

- McD somehow managed to trade Marcus using only Granger and Bullock.
- Twins couldn't believe it, after being all but assured they would be staying together after signing long term.
- Twins got pissed.

[phrazbit]

The idea garbage that the twins keep saying about how they took "less" money to stick together is non-sense. Yes, Markieff is arguably underpaid, but not wildly so. His first 2 years were horrible, in his 3rd year he showed himself to be a capable reserve forward and was rewarded with a 4 year 30+ million dollar deal, which at the time was nothing out of the ordinary. Meanwhile Marcus is a sub par reserve, a tweener without any reliable skills. He got a 4 year 20 million dollar deal which is about 3 years and 15 million more than he likely would have received on the open market.

It was a cute little feel good story, but there was no "promise" to never trade them. And any breach of trust happened during the season as they butted heads with the fans, the coaches, the refs, their teammates and the law.

I have never seen so much fuss over the injured feelings a patently sub par player and flat out cancer like Marcus Morris. He can rot.

As to "why would the Suns trade Marcus and keep Markieff?". I think they'd looooove to replace Markieff, but they were not going to do it all willy nilly and just dump him for whatever. An offer to their liking didn't materialize as of yet so he remains on the team. Marcus on the other hand I don't think the Suns gave two squirts about, he was only getting to tag along as way to appease Markieff. But, as covered previously, the only people benefiting from that situation was the twins themselves. IMO regardless of how Markieff's ego and complete lack of professionalism was going to take it, from the Suns perspective keeping them together on the roster was not an option. Appeasing one mediocre starter was not worth the enormous headaches they created, nor the waste of playing time on Marcus.

[Blkbrd671]

As to "why would the Suns trade Marcus and keep Markieff?". I think they'd looooove to replace Markieff, but they were not going to do it all willy nilly and just dump him for whatever. An offer to their liking didn't materialize as of yet so he remains on the team. Marcus on the other hand I don't think the Suns gave two squirts about, he was only getting to tag along as way to appease Markieff. But, as covered previously, the only people benefiting from that situation was the twins themselves. IMO regardless of how Markieff's ego and complete lack of professionalism was going to take it, from the Suns perspective keeping them together on the roster was not an option. Appeasing one mediocre starter was not worth the enormous headaches they created, nor the waste of playing time on Marcus.

"Because the right offer wasn't available"??? well whatever the Suns could have got earlier in FA, i highly doubt they'd get as much now. The writing was on the wall in regards to how Markieff would react, and they still did it anyways.Clearly the SUns should have moved both, especially with MArkeiff on such a good contract. It doesn't mean Suns still can't get good assets, it means the list of assets available are limited and furthermore not most ppl are looking for lockeroom head cases. I believe the Kings are probably the best bet