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Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0)

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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#381 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 3, 2015 5:35 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Carroll made the all-star team last year though, no? And Mathews was close to being one last year as well (not that close, but he played great). Regardless, I think Warren can produce at similar numbers to both those guys, at the very least. I'd like to think he can average closer to 18-19 points a game by the end of the season, but that's highly unlikely as player progression is usually made during the offseason.


No, he did not.

Teague, Korver, Millsap and Horford did.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/all_star.html
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#382 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 3, 2015 5:39 pm

NTB wrote:Paul Pierce, CP3 and someone I don't remember made 3 lucky shots in 4th quarter. They also made tough tough shots which we defended really well. So either they are a big team or they were lucky, maybe both.

Anyways, I really enjoyed this game against Clippers. It was way better than our Portland games which we won. Defense was there, rebounding was absolutely there (big credits goes to TC) but our guards couldn't make the shots they usually make. Knight and Bledsoe (especially Knight) won't have such a bad percentage game any time soon. But if we can keep this defense and rebounding, we'll be just fine.

But we need to stop this habit which we play depending our opponent's level. I mean when our opponent is low-projected or least-favorited team, we kinda underestimate them and play real lazy. But against elite teams, we seem to play really tough. I'd rather have this in reverse. Just dominate the small team. I like to see them play tough against elite teams but if I had to choose between these, I'd choose to play better against small teams. Because you may not defeat elite teams with playing good but you will definitely defeat small teams if you play hard. Because the talent is there.

As most of you guys told earlier, Markieff is not playing like himself. I don't think he is doing this to make Phoenix lose but he is definitely not forcing. We will see if this is a temporary struggle or he just wants to get out.

For Suns, I really like how we are using Chandler in P&R. He is dominating the paint by rebounding and he is finishing lobs from our guards pretty well. This chemistry between Chandler and our guards will increase game by game. Our bench is fine but Len needs to be consistent player. He is mentally too fragile. I really liked what I see from Ronnie Price. He is so active in defense with his steals. He really helps in offense too. He is like Ish Smith with a 3 point range which is so cool to have in your backup PG.

To win games, we need to shoot at least average from 3pt. We started to season with poor 3pt shooting like end of last season.


I liked a lot of what I saw. Great rebounding, hustle, and we had more steals and assists. What is odd is that we shot about the same % from 3 against them. It seems like they were draining them and we were not.

What I didn't like was the bad shot selection. WAY too many long 2s. I don't mind if anyone takes a wide open 3, but not that many long twos. Bledsoe NEEDS to get better about having a soft touch around his hard charging layups...or dunk it if he can. They were just bouncing WAY too hard off the backboard.

One of the major things though is that we NEED to get better at closing out on 3 pt shooters. They had WAY too many wide open shots. So many teams shoot tons of 3s that if we don't guard the 3 pt line well, we are going to get killed.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#383 » by NTB » Tue Nov 3, 2015 5:42 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9DPdHYJHNU[/youtube]

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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#384 » by RunDogGun » Tue Nov 3, 2015 5:51 pm

My biggest issue, is we often left the guy who had the ball wide open. Really zero excuse for this. You don't switch back to your man leaving the guy with the ball wide open.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#385 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:02 pm

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rsavaj wrote:Looking at last year's shot chart, ~25% of Knight's shots came from that long 2 range. Dude really needs to get rid of that part of his game.


OK, I tweeted him. He should be good to go.

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/bwgood77/status/661587931501457408[/tweet]


I added to it. Maybe he'll check out our tweets and change his game a bit, and then when he makes the all-star team he'll say his game evolved thanks to certain Tweeters :lol:
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#386 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:03 pm

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Qwigglez wrote:Carroll made the all-star team last year though, no? And Mathews was close to being one last year as well (not that close, but he played great). Regardless, I think Warren can produce at similar numbers to both those guys, at the very least. I'd like to think he can average closer to 18-19 points a game by the end of the season, but that's highly unlikely as player progression is usually made during the offseason.


No, he did not.

Teague, Korver, Millsap and Horford did.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/all_star.html


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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#387 » by LukasBMW » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:07 pm

I think we make the playoffs with a team of:

Dragic/Price
Bledsoe/Green/Booker
PJ/TJ
Keef/Marcus/Leur
Chandler/Len

Archie can ride the pine.

Essentially if we had traded IT earlier in the year and kept Dragic happy, then we never would have traded the Laker pick for a player who can't drive, can't finish, and can't create.

We should have kept Green if we were just going to give his minutes to Weems. At least Green can score.

The twins are the only tough call. We were so close to getting LMA and even without the LMA situation, we had the whole twins/attitude issues. Still, look at what Marcus has been doing in Detroit. Lots of you guys hated on me, but I thought Marcus was very efficient for us last year.

We essentially swapped Dragic, Green and Marcus for Knight, Weems, and Teletubby.

If we had just added Chandler and Price, we'd be looking good now.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#388 » by NTB » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:41 pm

Please stop this Dragic thing. It is past and he kinda sucks in Miami. I don't care if it is temporary or Dwyane Wade reasons but Dragic is gone now and we have 23 year old guard to support.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#389 » by letsgosuns » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:50 pm

Goran Dragic of 2013-14 looks to be a distant memory. He was terrible last year for the Suns. He was terrible when he went to Miami. I have watched the Heat games so far this year. Dragic looks worse than he ever has. I have no idea what happened to him. He made third team all NBA and then played for his national team and has never been the same. It was like he burned himself out. The best way to describe him is to say he looks old and slow. His shooting has been bad and it is like he has no impact on the game. His signature step back mid-range jump shot looks flat. I would take Knight over him any day of the week now. Oh yeah, Dragic got paid 85 million for 5 years. I would not touch that contract. That could turn out to be one of the worst contracts in basketball.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#390 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:57 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I think we make the playoffs with a team of:

Dragic/Price
Bledsoe/Green/Booker
PJ/TJ
Keef/Marcus/Leur
Chandler/Len

Archie can ride the pine.

Essentially if we had traded IT earlier in the year and kept Dragic happy, then we never would have traded the Laker pick for a player who can't drive, can't finish, and can't create.

We should have kept Green if we were just going to give his minutes to Weems. At least Green can score.

The twins are the only tough call. We were so close to getting LMA and even without the LMA situation, we had the whole twins/attitude issues. Still, look at what Marcus has been doing in Detroit. Lots of you guys hated on me, but I thought Marcus was very efficient for us last year.

We essentially swapped Dragic, Green and Marcus for Knight, Weems, and Teletubby.

If we had just added Chandler and Price, we'd be looking good now.


To add to that, imagine we didn't trade Dragic and traded IT. Would LMA look at the Suns in different light with Bled/Drag over Bled/Knight? Would he have preferred that since Dragic would have some playoff experience? Imagine Bledsoe/Dragic/Chandler at the meeting with Aldridge in LA and they bring out the projector screen and the first video they show is when the Dragon slayed the Spurs in the playoffs all by himself.
I also thought Marcus was decent for us last year, but his off court issues were inexcusable and he should always remain professional. I would have preferred to trade PJ but I think we didn't because him and Aldridge were boys in college.
I also enjoyed Green but with the addition of Booker I didn't mind seeing him go.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#391 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Nov 3, 2015 10:13 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Goran Dragic of 2013-14 looks to be a distant memory. He was terrible last year for the Suns. He was terrible when he went to Miami. I have watched the Heat games so far this year. Dragic looks worse than he ever has. I have no idea what happened to him. He made third team all NBA and then played for his national team and has never been the same. It was like he burned himself out. The best way to describe him is to say he looks old and slow. His shooting has been bad and it is like he has no impact on the game. His signature step back mid-range jump shot looks flat. I would take Knight over him any day of the week now. Oh yeah, Dragic got paid 85 million for 5 years. I would not touch that contract. That could turn out to be one of the worst contracts in basketball.


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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#392 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Nov 3, 2015 10:19 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I think we make the playoffs with a team of:

Dragic/Price
Bledsoe/Green/Booker
PJ/TJ
Keef/Marcus/Leur
Chandler/Len

Archie can ride the pine.

Essentially if we had traded IT earlier in the year and kept Dragic happy, then we never would have traded the Laker pick for a player who can't drive, can't finish, and can't create.

We should have kept Green if we were just going to give his minutes to Weems. At least Green can score.

The twins are the only tough call. We were so close to getting LMA and even without the LMA situation, we had the whole twins/attitude issues. Still, look at what Marcus has been doing in Detroit. Lots of you guys hated on me, but I thought Marcus was very efficient for us last year.

We essentially swapped Dragic, Green and Marcus for Knight, Weems, and Teletubby.

If we had just added Chandler and Price, we'd be looking good now.

And I think we win a championship if Amar'e was healthy and we kept Joe Johnson in 2006. Stop dwelling in the past, man.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#393 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Nov 3, 2015 10:58 pm

I was at the game, it was amazing! Staples is a nice arena. Too bad we didn't win but it was a good game.


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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#394 » by JMac1 » Wed Nov 4, 2015 12:13 am

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SF88 wrote:One thing I found interesting was what the Clippers announcers said about Warren when he came in, "He was one of the best scorers in the nation in college but he's really not a great athlete and he cannot shoot the long ball at all" and then the other Clippers announcer says "Yup that means he won't ever be a star player in the NBA".

In a way it's true. You look at the star forwards in the NBA, all of them can either shoot the ball or their super athletic or both.


Some people can defy logic. I wouldn't make any assumption about Warren. Also, many people drastically improve their 3 ball with time. I think he's fairly athletic and really has a knack for getting to the right place to make the play, receive the pass and finish, or get a rebound and putback.


Yup,athletic enough.......I don't know what some people expect him to do. He is tall and long enough and quick enough. Definitely not worried about Warren. One he adds his three :nod:
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Post#395 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Nov 4, 2015 1:43 am

Fat Cat: Noun. Athletes who get paid and stop putting in the effort. Examples: Boris Diaw, Goran Dragic.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#396 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Nov 4, 2015 3:27 am

I know it's only 4 games, but these stats are encouraging:

We're above average in Offensive Rebounding, Defensive Rebounding, Defensive Rating, Turnovers, Opposition FT per FGA.

IE. We're rebounding, defending, looking after the ball and not giving away stupid fouls.

That's about most of our problems that are tracking well so far.
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Re: Game 4: Phoenix Suns (2-1) @ Los Angeles Clippers (3-0) 

Post#397 » by LukasBMW » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:42 am

Our rebounding and defense are indeed excellent thus far.

The problem is that on offense, we are designed to be a jump shooting team. The only problem is we have no shooters.
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Post#398 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Nov 4, 2015 12:44 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Our rebounding and defense are indeed excellent thus far.

The problem is that on offense, we are designed to be a jump shooting team. The only problem is we have no shooters.


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