Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16)

[bwgood77]

Dream time, since this team sucks so bad... I need a little rosterbation before I get depressed.

2016-2017 - 89m cap, 108m tax.

1. Start by cleaning house pure salary dump style. Weems, Chandler, Tucker, Morris, Knight - all gone. I don't care how, trade them for picks, TPE's, bags of chips, give picks away, whatever.

2. Sign Durant for 30, Horford for 15, Whiteside for 19. With the remaining current players we'd be at 89.1m.

3. Resign Teletovic for 6 and Price for 4. Fill in the last 2 roster spots with vet min guys. Or just get 4 vet min guys and forget Teletubby and Price.

Bledsoe / Price
Booker / Goodwin
Durant / Warren
Horford / Teletovic
Whiteside / Len

Total 99.1m payroll.

4. Hire Thibs.

5. Have fun watching the Suns again.

God this current team sucks.

Yeah, if he can't sign Durant and Horford I don't know what to say.

[pidi]

this team has a big problem by keeping the lead..

i don´t know but the time managment of jeff is just terrible.

Knight / Bledsoe are playing heavy minutes but it seems that they are worn out in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Players like price or booker are playing in one game and are sitting out the next game, he hasn´t managed it to get
a solid rotation. same goes with weems, plays a good game and sits out the next 10..

i blame it on hornacek..

also the level of focus collapses at the end of the game, did u see the turnovers and dumb fouls from chandler??

This kinda sucks

[TASTIC]

Horrendous loss after being up so much AND Bucks without their best player.

Where's the on-court leadership!? Tucker's the only one who seems to give a F, which is sad because he's literally using every drop of talent in his body and it's showing. Guys like Bledsoe need to be more vocal and MAKE PLAYS...you're a PG, between he and Knight they should be getting 40pts 12-14ast EVERY night, minimum. Both can break their man down off the dribble and penetrate easily, so where are the dumpoffs to Chandler etc? ARGH.

Same old story with this lot - when we're on, we're on. When we're off - which is more often than not - we're a directionless mess of a team.

I like Hornaceck but as others have said, I think he's too nice and the team simply isn't listening to him. Had Corey Brewer been eligible to be dealt before Jan 14, the Jones + Brewer deal for Kieff would have been done. Say what you want about Brewer's horrible percentages and unorthodox look when he plays, but he plays 110% every time he steps on the floor at least.

Thibodeau is the way to go.

Anyone who doesn't fit the way he wants to play - which is a winning way - will be left at the roadside. McD and he have that Boston relationship or at least familiarity and this was already talked about 6mths ago, albeit with Jeff going to coach in College:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/5/17/8611505/could-tight-coaching-carousel-land-tom-thibodeau-with-phoenix-suns

[Jdiddy701]

I just want it to be where I am looking forward to games and not having to worry about someone doing something stupid. I don't mind losing.. It's just how we're losing!


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[bwgood77]

Horrendous loss after being up so much AND Bucks without their best player.

Where's the on-court leadership!? Tucker's the only one who seems to give a F, which is sad because he's literally using every drop of talent in his body and it's showing. Guys like Bledsoe need to be more vocal and MAKE PLAYS...you're a PG, between he and Knight they should be getting 40pts 12-14ast EVERY night, minimum. Both can break their man down off the dribble and penetrate easily, so where are the dumpoffs to Chandler etc? ARGH.

Same old story with this lot - when we're on, we're on. When we're off - which is more often than not - we're a directionless mess of a team.

I like Hornaceck but as others have said, I think he's too nice and the team simply isn't listening to him. Had Corey Brewer been eligible to be dealt before Jan 14, the Jones + Brewer deal for Kieff would have been done. Say what you want about Brewer's horrible percentages and unorthodox look when he plays, but he plays 110% every time he steps on the floor at least.

Thibodeau is the way to go.

Anyone who doesn't fit the way he wants to play - which is a winning way - will be left at the roadside. McD and he have that Boston relationship or at least familiarity and this was already talked about 6mths ago, albeit with Jeff going to coach in College:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/5/17/8611505/could-tight-coaching-carousel-land-tom-thibodeau-with-phoenix-suns

Reading that link is depressing, especially this part.

The Suns are historically loathe to rework deals, however. Managing partner Robert Sarver entered 2009-10 with GM/President Steve Kerr and Assistant GM David Griffin on the last year of their deals. Coach Alvin Gentry was an exception, with one additional year guaranteed plus a team option for a second. Sarver didn't extend anyone after 2008-09, despite barely missing the playoffs after losing Amare to the eye injury.

The Suns had a great year anyway. But after the magical Conference Finals run in 2010, contract talks came due and rumor has it Sarver wouldn't guarantee the Gentry option year let alone give Kerr a raise, which exacerbated Kerr's own situation and led to the unexpected falling out before the Draft.

[JMac1]

Watched game no comment.

[bwgood77]

Watched game no comment.

Gotta be tough to comment when what you wanted (Booker and Warren playing a combined 42 minutes) happened. Glad you are probably happy though.

[JMac1]

Watched game no comment.

Gotta be tough to comment when what you wanted (Booker and Warren playing a combined 42 minutes) happened. Glad you are probably happy though.

Very happy with Booker playing. Team was down double digits when they came in in the 1st half, then took the lead. Team was up double digit in the 4th, Bucks went on a 5-7 to 0 run, coach brought back in the "starters" and the Suns proceeded to lose...........case close!

Rather lose with Warren, Booker, and Len on the court than Chandler, Tucker, and Kieff, but call me stupid.

[bwgood77]

Watched game no comment.

Gotta be tough to comment when what you wanted (Booker and Warren playing a combined 42 minutes) happened. Glad you are probably happy though.

Very happy with Booker playing. Team was down double digits when they came in in the 1st half, then took the lead. Team was up double digit in the 4th, Bucks went on a 5-7 to 0 run, coach brought back in the "starters" and the Suns proceeded to lose...........case close!

Rather lose with Warren, Booker, and Len on the court than Chandler, Tucker, and Kieff, but call me stupid.

I would rather have Booker and Warren in at the end particularly Warren in this game because he was hot, and I can't stand Knight to close out games with his ball handling and turnovers that lost us two games in the last minute of games this year. I could go either way on Tyson/Len, because if Warren and Booker out there at the end, it might be better to have one solid vet in there, and I would probably always have Tyson inbound.

Having said all that, it was Bledsoe's turnovers that cost us this one at the end.

[Jdiddy701]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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[WeekapaugGroove]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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Well you have to give him credit for making the truest statement ever said about this team. It's a train wreck

[Saberestar]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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This is true, I do not know what is wrong with his comment. I really love when players speak sincerely and not always the same false statements.

[Jdiddy701]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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This is true, I do not know what is wrong with his comment. I really love when players speak sincerely and not always the same false statements.

It's just sad. I love when players admit to their mistakes. I just feel as if he's putting the blame on EB and BK but not looking at himself. Well it's not his fault, more Jeff's fault for playing him. Either way he sucks and is a big part of us losing.


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[bwgood77]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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This is true, I do not know what is wrong with his comment. I really love when players speak sincerely and not always the same false statements.

It's just sad. I love when players admit to their mistakes. I just feel as if he's putting the blame on EB and BK but not looking at himself. Well it's not his fault, more Jeff's fault for playing him. Either way he sucks and is a big part of us losing.

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Bledsoe and Knight though have probably cost us more games in the last minute though. Knight's turnovers against Detroit (where we had lead and ball with under 20 second left) and Memphis (tied and had the ball). Both games ALL he had to do was not turn it over.

Then Bledsoe with 2-3 turnovers on the last few possessions last night. We only really have about three starting caliber players right now (Bledsoe, Knight, Len) and the first too turn it over FAR too much to be the two primary ball handlers.

I mean Knight has slowly gotten worse every year in the league (check out per 36 #s)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/knighbr03.html

And Bledsoe is even worse in the turnover department, and again, getting worse every year (improved in 2nd year from rookie year but it's been downhill from there).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html

As a team, we rank 29th in the league in turnovers, only ahead of Philly.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/miscellaneous-per-game/sort/avgTurnovers

Part of it I can understand since he has never had the same teammates for more than half a season since being with the Suns so it's tough to develop chemistry but most of them seem like boneheaded plays.

[Revived]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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He said that? Link please.

[bwgood77]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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He said that? Link please.

I'm pretty sure it's been linked here. It's either from BrightSide or Fan Sided. Here it is: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/12/21/10633012/aftermath-phoenix-suns-always-do-something-dumb-to-let-you-win-it

I notice near the end of that column say

If the Suns lose by 20+, Hornacek's career as Suns coach could very well be over.

I remember reading that and agreeing with it, and they lost by 21 with two days off and then Denver and Philly. If he doesn't get fired now, I imagine he will around January 1st. I was thinking they might not want to ruin the holidays for him, or task the interim with the Cavs/Spurs/OKC stretch, but it might be best to get it over with, let Hornacek enjoy the holidays with his family instead of worrying about the team/his job, and get the interim in before the easy games.

[Revived]

Did anybody's see Tucker's comments? "I think teams know that now: just keep it close and they'll do something dumb to let you win it."

Hello you suck.


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He said that? Link please.

I'm pretty sure it's been linked here. It's either from BrightSide or Fan Sided. Here it is: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/12/21/10633012/aftermath-phoenix-suns-always-do-something-dumb-to-let-you-win-it

I notice near the end of that column say

If the Suns lose by 20+, Hornacek's career as Suns coach could very well be over.

I remember reading that and agreeing with it, and they lost by 21 with two days off and then Denver and Philly. If he doesn't get fired now, I imagine he will around January 1st. I was thinking they might not want to ruin the holidays for him, or task the interim with the Cavs/Spurs/OKC stretch, but it might be best to get it over with, let Hornacek enjoy the holidays with his family instead of worrying about the team/his job, and get the interim in before the easy games.

If they truly care more about not ruining a coach's holidays than they do about the team winning then WOW. Hornacek is making hundreds and thousands of dollars, its not like he's gonna be getting food stamps if he doesn't have a job.

I've seen actual financially deprived employees get fired unfairly in the holidays and during thanksgiving etc. I don't think Hornacek should be offered some courtesy that those actual poor employees don't get.

If he hasn't been fired before the new year then I doubt he will get fired at all for remainder of the season. I think Suns may just keep him with the hope that they continue to lose to get a decent draft pick for once in a draft that doesn't suck.

[bwgood77]

If they truly care more about not ruining a coach's holidays than they do about the team winning then WOW.

If he hasn't been fired before the new year then I doubt he will get fired at all for remainder of the season. I think Suns may just keep him with the hope that they continue to lose to get a decent draft pick for once in a draft that doesn't suck.

I was waiting for that comeback, but I think it would be combined with the fact of an interim having to coach against three of the best teams might not be a good idea either....an interim comes in for three consecutive blowouts wouldn't go over as well as Hornacek being let go after three consecutive blowouts. I was just earlier thinking the holiday part might be a small part of the thinking as well, but then just realized he might be happier during the holidays if he was already fired anyway. I think he pretty much knows the writing is on the wall. If he is not fired before the holidays, I think the only way he doesn't get fired is if he wins the next two convincingly and then wins at least one, and probably two of the next three, which would be extremely tough.

But the players are so nervous at the end of games after blowing so many that many may have lost some confidence in themselves, so it's probably going to take a while to turn anything around regardless of coach.

[Revived]

Two blown big leads = disaster. Im going to take a nap nothing to see here we lose again.

Damn you are a Hornets fan now?