Suns at Utah

[thamadkant]

I enjoyed even the losses when it was Booker and Archie show....

But losses with Knight and Price, Tucker, Chandler
As starters makes me despressed.


Watson trying to suck up to the veterans after cuddling the youth on the press?

Still no system.... And so many holes...
4 rookies is too much this coming draft.
Surely McD plans to trade a couple of those for future picks.


I understand why Booker and Len are getting close to 40 minute games and getting bulk of shots... Even though Len is being forced to play as a mid range big man... The Suns want these guys to develop ASAP. But then you put veterans like Chandler and Knight making close to 30 million a year.... With 3 to 4 more years on their contract kills any buzz I get from the youth's raised play..

[Saberestar]

I saw only the first half of the game, but it was enough to understand one more time that Knight is HORRIBLE playing PG. He does not have a clue.

Look, if he is on this team next season he needs to have a lesser role coming of the bench. Just that. Hopefully he embraces that role.

If he can be traded in the summer for decent value the better for both sides.

[King4Day]

I saw only the first half of the game, but it was enough to understand one more time that Knight is HORRIBLE playing PG. He does not have a clue.

Look, if he is on this team next season he needs to have a lesser role coming of the bench. Just that. Hopefully he embraces that role.

If he can be traded in the summer for decent value the better for both sides.

I agree.
6th man or nothing. He won't have a choice really. Bledsoe and Booker will be starting along with Warren or Tucker.

[NavLDO]

This is why we should abandon the Run n' Gun Suns BS, our PGs can't even push the break. Also Gobert>>>>Len it was never even debatable

Shocking!! Absolutely shocking, I tell you!! Your continued comparison of two completely different players used in two completely different ways.

Who was the starting Center for Utah with Gobert in? Oh, you mean Gobert was the starting Center? Funny, because the starting Center for the Suns was Chandler.

Gobert was the 6th leading scorer on Utah last night. Len was the 3rd.

Gobert made 6 shot attempts. Len had 15 attempts.

Len was 0-1 from 3; Gobert is 0-0...for like, his entire career from 3.

Len had another double-double in 30 minutes; Gobert did not, again, in 30 minutes.

Gobert is 58% from the FT line; Len is 74%.

And so on, and so on...but you go ahead and keep touting your standard line of "Gobert >>>> Len"; how about we put Gobert 20 Ft from the Rim and ask him to play there in his 3rd season, and let's see if he maintains his shooting % and Blk %, huh?

But please, do continue to make apples vs oranges arguments, because that's worthwhile...not...

How about I pick random players from that draft...oh, here's one, Len >>>> Bennett. Does this show/prove anything?

[JMac1]

This is why we should abandon the Run n' Gun Suns BS, our PGs can't even push the break. Also Gobert>>>>Len it was never even debatable

Shocking!! Absolutely shocking, I tell you!! Your continued comparison of two completely different players used in two completely different ways.

Who was the starting Center for Utah with Gobert in? Oh, you mean Gobert was the starting Center? Funny, because the starting Center for the Suns was Chandler.

Gobert was the 6th leading scorer on Utah last night. Len was the 3rd.

Gobert made 6 shot attempts. Len had 15 attempts.

Len was 0-1 from 3; Gobert is 0-0...for like, his entire career from 3.

Len had another double-double in 30 minutes; Gobert did not, again, in 30 minutes.

Gobert is 58% from the FT line; Len is 74%.

And so on, and so on...but you go ahead and keep touting your standard line of "Gobert >>>> Len"; how about we put Gobert 20 Ft from the Rim and ask him to play there in his 3rd season, and let's see if he maintains his shooting % and Blk %, huh?

But please, do continue to make apples vs oranges arguments, because that's worthwhile...not...

How about I pick random players from that draft...oh, here's one, Len >>>> Bennett. Does this show/prove anything?

Great call. Len is Len and Gobert is Gobert. Gobert is useless on offense and defense when he is further than 10 feet from the rim. I still like Len (the new one) over Gobert. Today's NBA does not post-up like the old days and Gobert isn't needed the way Mutombo was. He is nice, but not even close to all that.

[bwgood77]

Here is a crazy stat about Knight:

He has played 45 games this year. In 17 of those 45 games, he has at least 5 turnovers or more. He averages 36 minutes a game.

In his rookie season in 2011-12, Knight played 66 games and averaged 32 minutes per game. He had 5 turnovers or more in only 5 of his 66 games.

So one can argue that Knight has dramatically regressed in terms of ball handling and decision making compared to his rookie year. In addition, his shooting has not improved. He shot 41.5% fg and 38.0% 3 pts as a rookie. This year he is shooting 41.9% fg and 33.8% 3 pts. He has been in the league for five years. His age is of no relevance at this point. Look at his stats. He is who he is. Unfortunately he actually seems to be getting worse imo.

Now Booker had an off night tonight. His body language was not good. He made careless passes. But that is rare for him so far in his career. Knight on the other hand had 6 turnovers tonight. Not only is that not rare for him, it is routine. Considering Knight is a veteran already, don't you think Knight should be better at taking care of the ball.

The Suns are advertising Booker constantly as the face of the franchise and rightfully so. Len too is getting better and Chandler embraces him. I do not see that connection between Booker and Knight. I am sure McDonough can see it as well. I think the Suns will let Knight continue to pile up shot attempts because they are showcasing him. With the emergence of Booker, Knight is useless and redundant and serves no purpose, even as a sixth man.Why pay a bench player 70 million when you can find other scorers for far cheaper.

I agree, but my guess is that most other GMs can find those numbers on basketball reference too. Therefore trading him is a good idea for us but maybe trading for him isn't such a good idea for other teams. I'm not entirely sure if we waived him that he would be claimed.

[bwgood77]

This is why we should abandon the Run n' Gun Suns BS, our PGs can't even push the break. Also Gobert>>>>Len it was never even debatable

Shocking!! Absolutely shocking, I tell you!! Your continued comparison of two completely different players used in two completely different ways.

Who was the starting Center for Utah with Gobert in? Oh, you mean Gobert was the starting Center? Funny, because the starting Center for the Suns was Chandler.

Gobert was the 6th leading scorer on Utah last night. Len was the 3rd.

Gobert made 6 shot attempts. Len had 15 attempts.

Len was 0-1 from 3; Gobert is 0-0...for like, his entire career from 3.

Len had another double-double in 30 minutes; Gobert did not, again, in 30 minutes.

Gobert is 58% from the FT line; Len is 74%.

And so on, and so on...but you go ahead and keep touting your standard line of "Gobert >>>> Len"; how about we put Gobert 20 Ft from the Rim and ask him to play there in his 3rd season, and let's see if he maintains his shooting % and Blk %, huh?

But please, do continue to make apples vs oranges arguments, because that's worthwhile...not...

How about I pick random players from that draft...oh, here's one, Len >>>> Bennett. Does this show/prove anything?

TJ Warren is better than Exum too. This isn't debatable. It's still too early to judge guys in there 2nd or 3rd year too much anyway.

[dremill24]

Lol I was wondering when this was coming when I saw somebody say that about Gobert.

[LukasBMW]

Even as a 6th man we can do better then Knightmare the ball stopper.

I just hope some team bites on him during draft day.

[TeamTragic]

Even as a 6th man we can do better then Knightmare the ball stopper.

I just hope some team bites on him during draft day.

I would rather have Jamal Crawford than Knight. Seriously

[irish22022]

We really do have some great young pieces. But the thing is, our young pieces are going to need a prolific ball handling point guard to really shine. And we have the opposite of that in bledsoe or Knight. I guess maybe bled can evolve or somehow make it work, but as I've been saying for years now - he really can't dribble a basketball.

Move Knight if you can. Even if it's for an expiring. But we have a big problem at PG and PF still.

[saintEscaton]

Lol I was wondering when this was coming when I saw somebody say that about Gobert.

Len doesn't even space the floor, kinda defeats the purpose when h'es left open so often beyond 12 feet, teams are daring him to make it and its getting inside his head. He went from hesitating to take good looks to throwing up everything because Watson gave him the green light. I'd take Gobert's effecient garbage buckets, he is playing within his limits and is being asked to anchor an entire defense.

[SunsRback4Good]

69 points :O.. barely avoided a franchise low.