Game 15: Suns @ Wizards

[NavLDO]

Len seems to be always surprised when the ball gets near his vicinity.... And he panics or goes for it abruptly.
Heck even Mason Plumlee looks more in control... They all play with various speed and energy so they dont look clumsy or shaky.

Len needs a mentor.. A proper mentor who will show him what he's doing wrong and not what he's doing right.

He needs to play with smarts sometimes and not with energy.

I watch Steve Adams and that guy is chilled but on point at the same time. But he rarely makes mistakes or fumbles the ball.

Why is the 'narrative' on Len in almost every game thread one-sided?? I don't doubt that Len has his issues, but declaring him as our 'tank commander' (not you, 1UPZ) over several other players who produce less for us just amazes me.

Len ends up with yet another Dbl-Dbl (and before he's accused of getting his own misses for Rebounds this season like he has, someone please explain then why he has his highest DRB-to-ORB ratio of his career--nearly 3-to-1 @ 5.9-to-2.1--last I checked, it's pretty hard to get your own Rebound on the Defensive side of the Court, but whatever...).

He was 60% from the floor (3/5), 83% FT% (5/6), 3 Blks, 3 Assts, 11 Pts, 10 TRBs. Yet all I see in this thread is how terrible Len played. Again, I don't doubt he has his flaws, but he's hardly the primary reason we are losing. He has improved in almost every category from last season, yet Bledsoe shoots 40% on 25 shots, 33% from 3, has 6 Assts in 40 minutes...as our PG. Has 4 TOs, yet he gets a pass because he shot 29 points?

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

One other thing I wanted to mention. The thread of voting of best players of the game and worst players of the game clearly shows that Len was voted as a top 3 player. Not one poster had him in their bottom three, and most obviously not in like their bottom 7 since 10 players played. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1493263

You should check those if you don't to see who the fans here really thought played well and not so well in each game. You can see here that most just thought he started the season and played really poorly in the first 4 games. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXguFu1dW7-M4UVEWRGzFeALXMjoPEZe7XRQB8T8Y-4/pubhtml#

Thanks, BW. Yeah, I've seen those and often they do paint a different picture. But my point is that since I do not get to watch games, I rely on Game threads the next morning to get an idea of how the players played from a fan perspective, so you or many others do not have the same perspective on this topic that I do, since it's just part of the flow of the game; I know because I DO get to watch the Steelers play from time to time and comment in game threads on a different forum. So you don't really notice it like someone who only looks at Box Scores, highlights, and game threads, like me. My own fault , I suppose, but it's what I have available.

Anyway, game after game I come into the game thread and have to weed through the Len 'hate' comments more often than not, so it's just frustrating. So sorry; wasn't trying to 'pick an argument' with you and Carey; I was just trying to shed light on what it's like from my perspective, and any other fan that depends on the game threads as well. Based o those alone this year, you'd think Len was flat out garbage, which I just do not see how that's possible. Zelaznyrules, I believe, has the right attitude on Len. He's not great, but all hese other Centers being heralded as being better than Len have their own issues, and if they were on the Suns, fans would likely nitpick their faults as well.

Look at this 'smattering' of six Centers' Per36 numbers. Len is competitive in just about every stat other than eFG%...he's 2nd in TRB and DRB, 3rd in Blks and STLs. Heck, he's even 4th in TS% and 1st in TOVs...let that sink in...1st in TOVs, but from what I hear, he makes poor decision after poor decision with the ball. If so, how can he be so low in TOVs??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Alex+Len&player_id1_select=Alex+Len&y1=2017&player_id1=lenal01&hint=Steven+Adams&player_id2_select=Steven+Adams&y2=2017&player_id2=adamsst01&hint=Jahlil+Okafor&player_id3_select=Jahlil+Okafor&y3=2017&player_id3=okafoja01&hint=Hassan+Whiteside&player_id4_select=Hassan+Whiteside&y4=2017&player_id4=whiteha01&hint=Brook+Lopez&player_id5_select=Brook+Lopez&y5=2017&player_id5=lopezbr01&hint=Mason+Plumlee&player_id6_select=Mason+Plumlee&y6=2017&player_id6=plumlma01

[bwgood77]

Why is the 'narrative' on Len in almost every game thread one-sided?? I don't doubt that Len has his issues, but declaring him as our 'tank commander' (not you, 1UPZ) over several other players who produce less for us just amazes me.

Len ends up with yet another Dbl-Dbl (and before he's accused of getting his own misses for Rebounds this season like he has, someone please explain then why he has his highest DRB-to-ORB ratio of his career--nearly 3-to-1 @ 5.9-to-2.1--last I checked, it's pretty hard to get your own Rebound on the Defensive side of the Court, but whatever...).

He was 60% from the floor (3/5), 83% FT% (5/6), 3 Blks, 3 Assts, 11 Pts, 10 TRBs. Yet all I see in this thread is how terrible Len played. Again, I don't doubt he has his flaws, but he's hardly the primary reason we are losing. He has improved in almost every category from last season, yet Bledsoe shoots 40% on 25 shots, 33% from 3, has 6 Assts in 40 minutes...as our PG. Has 4 TOs, yet he gets a pass because he shot 29 points?

Again, I'm in no way saying that Len doesn't have his issues, but every time he has a poor play, there's no less than 2 posters slamming Len for that one play, yet no other player comes close to being as derided as Len does in these Game threads. Just amazing...

One other thing I wanted to mention. The thread of voting of best players of the game and worst players of the game clearly shows that Len was voted as a top 3 player. Not one poster had him in their bottom three, and most obviously not in like their bottom 7 since 10 players played. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1493263

You should check those if you don't to see who the fans here really thought played well and not so well in each game. You can see here that most just thought he started the season and played really poorly in the first 4 games. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXguFu1dW7-M4UVEWRGzFeALXMjoPEZe7XRQB8T8Y-4/pubhtml#

Thanks, BW. Yeah, I've seen those and often they do paint a different picture. But my point is that since I do not get to watch games, I rely on Game threads the next morning to get an idea of how the players played from a fan perspective, so you or many others do not have the same perspective on this topic that I do, since it's just part of the flow of the game; I know because I DO get to watch the Steelers play from time to time and comment in game threads on a different forum. So you don't really notice it like someone who only looks at Box Scores, highlights, and game threads, like me. My own fault , I suppose, but it's what I have available.

Anyway, game after game I come into the game thread and have to weed through the Len 'hate' comments more often than not, so it's just frustrating. So sorry; wasn't trying to 'pick an argument' with you and Carey; I was just trying to shed light on what it's like from my perspective, and any other fan that depends on the game threads as well. Based o those alone this year, you'd think Len was flat out garbage, which I just do not see how that's possible. Zelaznyrules, I believe, has the right attitude on Len. He's not great, but all hese other Centers being heralded as being better than Len have their own issues, and if they were on the Suns, fans would likely nitpick their faults as well.

Look at this 'smattering' of six Centers' Per36 numbers. Len is competitive in just about every stat other than eFG%...he's 2nd in TRB and DRB, 3rd in Blks and STLs. Heck, he's even 4th in TS% and 1st in TOVs...let that sink in...1st in TOVs, but from what I hear, he makes poor decision after poor decision with the ball. If so, how can he be so low in TOVs??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Alex+Len&player_id1_select=Alex+Len&y1=2017&player_id1=lenal01&hint=Steven+Adams&player_id2_select=Steven+Adams&y2=2017&player_id2=adamsst01&hint=Jahlil+Okafor&player_id3_select=Jahlil+Okafor&y3=2017&player_id3=okafoja01&hint=Hassan+Whiteside&player_id4_select=Hassan+Whiteside&y4=2017&player_id4=whiteha01&hint=Brook+Lopez&player_id5_select=Brook+Lopez&y5=2017&player_id5=lopezbr01&hint=Mason+Plumlee&player_id6_select=Mason+Plumlee&y6=2017&player_id6=plumlma01

I'm not low on him at all (was the first games of the season). As a matter of fact, the last couple of weeks, before maybe the last two games, I thought you were suddenly far lower on him than me.

In general though, people will complain about whatever in game threads. People love scoring. I value rebounding a lot especially not having good rebounders outside of Marion for years. But no good rebounding centers.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

One other thing I wanted to mention. The thread of voting of best players of the game and worst players of the game clearly shows that Len was voted as a top 3 player. Not one poster had him in their bottom three, and most obviously not in like their bottom 7 since 10 players played. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1493263

You should check those if you don't to see who the fans here really thought played well and not so well in each game. You can see here that most just thought he started the season and played really poorly in the first 4 games. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXguFu1dW7-M4UVEWRGzFeALXMjoPEZe7XRQB8T8Y-4/pubhtml#

Thanks, BW. Yeah, I've seen those and often they do paint a different picture. But my point is that since I do not get to watch games, I rely on Game threads the next morning to get an idea of how the players played from a fan perspective, so you or many others do not have the same perspective on this topic that I do, since it's just part of the flow of the game; I know because I DO get to watch the Steelers play from time to time and comment in game threads on a different forum. So you don't really notice it like someone who only looks at Box Scores, highlights, and game threads, like me. My own fault , I suppose, but it's what I have available.

Anyway, game after game I come into the game thread and have to weed through the Len 'hate' comments more often than not, so it's just frustrating. So sorry; wasn't trying to 'pick an argument' with you and Carey; I was just trying to shed light on what it's like from my perspective, and any other fan that depends on the game threads as well. Based o those alone this year, you'd think Len was flat out garbage, which I just do not see how that's possible. Zelaznyrules, I believe, has the right attitude on Len. He's not great, but all hese other Centers being heralded as being better than Len have their own issues, and if they were on the Suns, fans would likely nitpick their faults as well.

Look at this 'smattering' of six Centers' Per36 numbers. Len is competitive in just about every stat other than eFG%...he's 2nd in TRB and DRB, 3rd in Blks and STLs. Heck, he's even 4th in TS% and 1st in TOVs...let that sink in...1st in TOVs, but from what I hear, he makes poor decision after poor decision with the ball. If so, how can he be so low in TOVs??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Alex+Len&player_id1_select=Alex+Len&y1=2017&player_id1=lenal01&hint=Steven+Adams&player_id2_select=Steven+Adams&y2=2017&player_id2=adamsst01&hint=Jahlil+Okafor&player_id3_select=Jahlil+Okafor&y3=2017&player_id3=okafoja01&hint=Hassan+Whiteside&player_id4_select=Hassan+Whiteside&y4=2017&player_id4=whiteha01&hint=Brook+Lopez&player_id5_select=Brook+Lopez&y5=2017&player_id5=lopezbr01&hint=Mason+Plumlee&player_id6_select=Mason+Plumlee&y6=2017&player_id6=plumlma01

I'm not low on him at all (was the first games of the season). As a matter of fact, the last couple of weeks, before maybe the last two games, I thought you were suddenly far lower on him than me.

In general though, people will complain about whatever in game threads. People love scoring. I value rebounding a lot especially not having good rebounders outside of Marion for years. But no good rebounding centers.

Well, yes and no, and contrary to what Dremill is trying to accuse me of on the previous page, I don't blindly follow one train of thought; I actually will recognize when a player is playing below expectations or above, and if that changes, I'll make note of it. So yes, I was simply recognizing the fact that Len, through pre-season and the first 4-5 games of the regular season, had made no improvement whatsoever from last year. So while I've been a fan of Len's, I'm not going to blindly support a player who is sucking ass, as Len was showing early in the year, but clearly, over the past 7-8 games, he's started to show vast improvement, yet there are some here that choose to knock Len for every bad play, but won't recognize him when he has a good game, and that was my point in my post--blind 'dislike' for Len, regardless of what he does.

Other examples of me NOT holding to the 'same narrative' is on:

Knight - Was happy when we got him, and supported him when he was playing well for us; but it's obvious he's not going to be what we or McD was hoping...and on that...

McD - Big supporter, but I can recognize when he screwed up, like he did with the Knight trade.

Bledsoe - My opinion of him is slowly deteriorating. He has some awesome skills and some awesome games, but far too many times he has games like this--40 minutes, 25 attempts, 10 makes, and only 6 Assists. I really think we need a PG who performs like a normal PG, and we may have that in Ulis, but we'll have to wait and see on that, but if not, this next draft is apparently rich in PGs, so we might have our answer there.

Anyway, while there are some incidents that are one-time events that I have a strong opinion on (Dragic trade), that doesn't mean I always blindly support the 'same narrative' all the time...

...so nice try, Dremill, but as you can clearly see from BW's comments above, I do actually change my mind on players based upon how well (or poorly) they are playing...

[Qwigglez]

Not sure if I mentioned it or not but Len started the season very slow but has come around recently since being placed in the starting lineup. I'd like to see how well Chandler plays off the bench actually.

[Qwigglez]

NavLDO, why don't you watch the games?

[dremill24]

Spoiler:

Thanks, BW. Yeah, I've seen those and often they do paint a different picture. But my point is that since I do not get to watch games, I rely on Game threads the next morning to get an idea of how the players played from a fan perspective, so you or many others do not have the same perspective on this topic that I do, since it's just part of the flow of the game; I know because I DO get to watch the Steelers play from time to time and comment in game threads on a different forum. So you don't really notice it like someone who only looks at Box Scores, highlights, and game threads, like me. My own fault , I suppose, but it's what I have available.

Anyway, game after game I come into the game thread and have to weed through the Len 'hate' comments more often than not, so it's just frustrating. So sorry; wasn't trying to 'pick an argument' with you and Carey; I was just trying to shed light on what it's like from my perspective, and any other fan that depends on the game threads as well. Based o those alone this year, you'd think Len was flat out garbage, which I just do not see how that's possible. Zelaznyrules, I believe, has the right attitude on Len. He's not great, but all hese other Centers being heralded as being better than Len have their own issues, and if they were on the Suns, fans would likely nitpick their faults as well.

Look at this 'smattering' of six Centers' Per36 numbers. Len is competitive in just about every stat other than eFG%...he's 2nd in TRB and DRB, 3rd in Blks and STLs. Heck, he's even 4th in TS% and 1st in TOVs...let that sink in...1st in TOVs, but from what I hear, he makes poor decision after poor decision with the ball. If so, how can he be so low in TOVs??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Alex+Len&player_id1_select=Alex+Len&y1=2017&player_id1=lenal01&hint=Steven+Adams&player_id2_select=Steven+Adams&y2=2017&player_id2=adamsst01&hint=Jahlil+Okafor&player_id3_select=Jahlil+Okafor&y3=2017&player_id3=okafoja01&hint=Hassan+Whiteside&player_id4_select=Hassan+Whiteside&y4=2017&player_id4=whiteha01&hint=Brook+Lopez&player_id5_select=Brook+Lopez&y5=2017&player_id5=lopezbr01&hint=Mason+Plumlee&player_id6_select=Mason+Plumlee&y6=2017&player_id6=plumlma01

I'm not low on him at all (was the first games of the season). As a matter of fact, the last couple of weeks, before maybe the last two games, I thought you were suddenly far lower on him than me.

In general though, people will complain about whatever in game threads. People love scoring. I value rebounding a lot especially not having good rebounders outside of Marion for years. But no good rebounding centers.

Well, yes and no, and contrary to what Dremill is trying to accuse me of on the previous page, I don't blindly follow one train of thought; I actually will recognize when a player is playing below expectations or above, and if that changes, I'll make note of it. So yes, I was simply recognizing the fact that Len, through pre-season and the first 4-5 games of the regular season, had made no improvement whatsoever from last year. So while I've been a fan of Len's, I'm not going to blindly support a player who is sucking ass, as Len was showing early in the year, but clearly, over the past 7-8 games, he's started to show vast improvement, yet there are some here that choose to knock Len for every bad play, but won't recognize him when he has a good game, and that was my point in my post--blind 'dislike' for Len, regardless of what he does.

Other examples of me NOT holding to the 'same narrative' is on:

Knight - Was happy when we got him, and supported him when he was playing well for us; but it's obvious he's not going to be what we or McD was hoping...and on that...

McD - Big supporter, but I can recognize when he screwed up, like he did with the Knight trade.

Bledsoe - My opinion of him is slowly deteriorating. He has some awesome skills and some awesome games, but far too many times he has games like this--40 minutes, 25 attempts, 10 makes, and only 6 Assists. I really think we need a PG who performs like a normal PG, and we may have that in Ulis, but we'll have to wait and see on that, but if not, this next draft is apparently rich in PGs, so we might have our answer there.

Anyway, while there are some incidents that are one-time events that I have a strong opinion on (Dragic trade), that doesn't mean I always blindly support the 'same narrative' all the time...

...so nice try, Dremill, but as you can clearly see from BW's comments above, I do actually change my mind on players based upon how well (or poorly) they are playing...

You're delusional if you don't think that the VAST majority of your posts are harping on the same 2-3 topics, sarcastic cherrypicking not withstanding.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

I'm not low on him at all (was the first games of the season). As a matter of fact, the last couple of weeks, before maybe the last two games, I thought you were suddenly far lower on him than me.

In general though, people will complain about whatever in game threads. People love scoring. I value rebounding a lot especially not having good rebounders outside of Marion for years. But no good rebounding centers.

Well, yes and no, and contrary to what Dremill is trying to accuse me of on the previous page, I don't blindly follow one train of thought; I actually will recognize when a player is playing below expectations or above, and if that changes, I'll make note of it. So yes, I was simply recognizing the fact that Len, through pre-season and the first 4-5 games of the regular season, had made no improvement whatsoever from last year. So while I've been a fan of Len's, I'm not going to blindly support a player who is sucking ass, as Len was showing early in the year, but clearly, over the past 7-8 games, he's started to show vast improvement, yet there are some here that choose to knock Len for every bad play, but won't recognize him when he has a good game, and that was my point in my post--blind 'dislike' for Len, regardless of what he does.

Other examples of me NOT holding to the 'same narrative' is on:

Knight - Was happy when we got him, and supported him when he was playing well for us; but it's obvious he's not going to be what we or McD was hoping...and on that...

McD - Big supporter, but I can recognize when he screwed up, like he did with the Knight trade.

Bledsoe - My opinion of him is slowly deteriorating. He has some awesome skills and some awesome games, but far too many times he has games like this--40 minutes, 25 attempts, 10 makes, and only 6 Assists. I really think we need a PG who performs like a normal PG, and we may have that in Ulis, but we'll have to wait and see on that, but if not, this next draft is apparently rich in PGs, so we might have our answer there.

Anyway, while there are some incidents that are one-time events that I have a strong opinion on (Dragic trade), that doesn't mean I always blindly support the 'same narrative' all the time...

...so nice try, Dremill, but as you can clearly see from BW's comments above, I do actually change my mind on players based upon how well (or poorly) they are playing...

You're delusional if you don't think that the VAST majority of your posts are harping on the same 2-3 topics, sarcastic cherrypicking not withstanding.

And what, pray tell, are these same 2-3 topics I am harping on with the VAST majority of my posts? As was just displayed, I was largely AGAINST Len for several weeks during Pre-Season and Early-Season, and just recently brought up the incessant bashing of Len in Game threads over the past couple of weeks...which, by the way, is warranted, as I also demonstrated.

So what OTHER topics am I harping on??? I'll wait...but you go on ahead and actively deride posters; I guess that's your response to being proven wrong?

Just because I back up my opinions doesn't make me one who 'harps' on the 'same 2-3 topics'--so again, I ask, what topics are these, exactly? The only topic I've been 'harping' on recently (and ONLY recently, as BW mentioned, he thought I'd give up on Len a few short weeks ago) is the incessant negative comments against Len in every game thread. I backed up my assertion, and also received a few +1's, so please, dremill, backup your assertion...

[bwgood77]

Well, yes and no, and contrary to what Dremill is trying to accuse me of on the previous page, I don't blindly follow one train of thought; I actually will recognize when a player is playing below expectations or above, and if that changes, I'll make note of it. So yes, I was simply recognizing the fact that Len, through pre-season and the first 4-5 games of the regular season, had made no improvement whatsoever from last year. So while I've been a fan of Len's, I'm not going to blindly support a player who is sucking ass, as Len was showing early in the year, but clearly, over the past 7-8 games, he's started to show vast improvement, yet there are some here that choose to knock Len for every bad play, but won't recognize him when he has a good game, and that was my point in my post--blind 'dislike' for Len, regardless of what he does.

Other examples of me NOT holding to the 'same narrative' is on:

Knight - Was happy when we got him, and supported him when he was playing well for us; but it's obvious he's not going to be what we or McD was hoping...and on that...

McD - Big supporter, but I can recognize when he screwed up, like he did with the Knight trade.

Bledsoe - My opinion of him is slowly deteriorating. He has some awesome skills and some awesome games, but far too many times he has games like this--40 minutes, 25 attempts, 10 makes, and only 6 Assists. I really think we need a PG who performs like a normal PG, and we may have that in Ulis, but we'll have to wait and see on that, but if not, this next draft is apparently rich in PGs, so we might have our answer there.

Anyway, while there are some incidents that are one-time events that I have a strong opinion on (Dragic trade), that doesn't mean I always blindly support the 'same narrative' all the time...

...so nice try, Dremill, but as you can clearly see from BW's comments above, I do actually change my mind on players based upon how well (or poorly) they are playing...

You're delusional if you don't think that the VAST majority of your posts are harping on the same 2-3 topics, sarcastic cherrypicking not withstanding.

And what, pray tell, are these same 2-3 topics I am harping on with the VAST majority of my posts? As was just displayed, I was largely AGAINST Len for several weeks during Pre-Season and Early-Season, and just recently brought up the incessant bashing of Len in Game threads over the past couple of weeks...which, by the way, is warranted, as I also demonstrated.

So what OTHER topics am I harping on??? I'll wait...but you go on ahead and actively deride posters; I guess that's your response to being proven wrong?

Just because I back up my opinions doesn't make me one who 'harps' on the 'same 2-3 topics'--so again, I ask, what topics are these, exactly? The only topic I've been 'harping' on recently (and ONLY recently, as BW mentioned, he thought I'd give up on Len a few short weeks ago) is the incessant negative comments against Len in every game thread. I backed up my assertion, and also received a few +1's, so please, dremill, backup your assertion...

Would you like to discuss any other players? And by the way, on those video pages NEVER click on download. Just click on the icon and the game video opens, then you might have to click in the middle of that. Still not sure what browser you are using though.

[NavLDO]

You're delusional if you don't think that the VAST majority of your posts are harping on the same 2-3 topics, sarcastic cherrypicking not withstanding.

And what, pray tell, are these same 2-3 topics I am harping on with the VAST majority of my posts? As was just displayed, I was largely AGAINST Len for several weeks during Pre-Season and Early-Season, and just recently brought up the incessant bashing of Len in Game threads over the past couple of weeks...which, by the way, is warranted, as I also demonstrated.

So what OTHER topics am I harping on??? I'll wait...but you go on ahead and actively deride posters; I guess that's your response to being proven wrong?

Just because I back up my opinions doesn't make me one who 'harps' on the 'same 2-3 topics'--so again, I ask, what topics are these, exactly? The only topic I've been 'harping' on recently (and ONLY recently, as BW mentioned, he thought I'd give up on Len a few short weeks ago) is the incessant negative comments against Len in every game thread. I backed up my assertion, and also received a few +1's, so please, dremill, backup your assertion...

Would you like to discuss any other players? And by the way, on those video pages NEVER click on download. Just click on the icon and the game video opens, then you might have to click in the middle of that. Still not sure what browser you are using though.

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And yes, I've discussed Warren a few times, as I think he's our next star, but I don't think I harped upon that subject...just mentioned it once or twice. And Bledsoe, I am thinking he may not be the best fit for our team, as I've mentioned, again, a couple of times, but certainly didn't 'harp'. Then there is Chandler and Tucker, who I've discussed a couple of times, once that Chandler has played sneaky good/better than I expected, and Tucker, that he's worth every bit his $5.5M and not worth trading; we should keep him for that cheap of a price, but I've been back and forth on that, and CERTAINLY didn't 'harp' on either side of that argument. Then there are the Rookies that I brought up a few times about their play, but not much...

...but apparently, I've been 'harping' on the same 2-3 topics...what they are, I don't know, as I'm waiting for Dremill to let me know.

I did 'harp' on how much I didn't want Dunn over the Draft season, but I 'harped' on quite a few prospects, both positive and negative.

I harped on Dragic, as you know, when you told me to drop it, I did, but really, I was just responding to other posters 90% of the time; I didn't bring him up out of the blue.

And I 'harped' on McD for a while as Frank Lee and I were going back and forth on him, but is it 'harping' if you are arguing a point with another poster for several days/a couple of weeks.

Maybe it's those items he's thinking about from 6 months ago and later, IDK...apparently I'm delusional...