Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[nevetsov]

Was thinking PHI might be interested in trading 3 to SAC, for 5 & 10. Pick up both Monk and a PG.

But then I thought SAC could probably nab one of JJ/Tatum/Isaac at 5 and a PG at 10.

Going to be interesting.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Moving forward with Bledsoe and Ulis is the better option. Rather spend my NBA capital elsewhere.

We won't have many other places to spend our NBA capital if we have to re-sign Bledsoe in a couple years.

My thinking is that (1) there's a chance Ulis will be a high-quality starter in a couple seasons, (2) right now, we won't do better than those two playing at the one, and (3) if after two seasons playing these two, Ulis has not shown himself to be starter-quality, that's time enough to draft three more players, and we could draft a PG. Or, as you mentioned, we could re-sign Bledsoe. Who knows, maybe the market won't be hot fire in two years (though I wouldn't count on it). The most important thing to me is (1). I'd rather put off drafting the heir apparent while a viable prospect on our roster has already shown signs.

[blee732]

I was thinking about trading up to #3 as well, but in the end i don't see a trade to move 1 slot up making any sense for us. if the Sixers like JJ and see him meshing with their core, the price for us to get him will be unreasonable. if they don't like him, then we might as well just wait and grab him at #4.

Only way I see a trade for #3 happening is if we do it without giving up #4 (i.e. #3 for Bled + TJ + '18 Mia pick). But then if we pick JJ at #3, who would we pick at #4? Taytum/Isaac wouldn't make sense, and I'm not sure Fox/Smith are a good fit.

They may want a guard though and rate, say DSJ, Monk and Fox in the same tier so offer a trade down to picks 2-3 below them. That would likely mean there is a chance someone else wants Jackson and will give up something to get him.

If it was Hinkie I might expect something like this or I might just expect him to take Jackson as BPA even though they are fairly set at forward. With Colangelo, I don't ever remember him trying to trade down or anything. I've seen him trade the pick, which I didn't like, when we traded a chance to take Iguodala for the Knicks pick the following year, which ended up being Nate Robinson. I think he either takes Jackson or a guard.

Yeah your point about the Sixers trading further down is definitely possible. Hopefully McD is well-connected enough and has a good dialogue going with the Sixers to step in if this is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if this was usually the impetus behind teams inexplicably trading up 1 spot.

[bwgood77]

I was thinking about trading up to #3 as well, but in the end i don't see a trade to move 1 slot up making any sense for us. if the Sixers like JJ and see him meshing with their core, the price for us to get him will be unreasonable. if they don't like him, then we might as well just wait and grab him at #4.

Only way I see a trade for #3 happening is if we do it without giving up #4 (i.e. #3 for Bled + TJ + '18 Mia pick). But then if we pick JJ at #3, who would we pick at #4? Taytum/Isaac wouldn't make sense, and I'm not sure Fox/Smith are a good fit.

They may want a guard though and rate, say DSJ, Monk and Fox in the same tier so offer a trade down to picks 2-3 below them. That would likely mean there is a chance someone else wants Jackson and will give up something to get him.

If it was Hinkie I might expect something like this or I might just expect him to take Jackson as BPA even though they are fairly set at forward. With Colangelo, I don't ever remember him trying to trade down or anything. I've seen him trade the pick, which I didn't like, when we traded a chance to take Iguodala for the Knicks pick the following year, which ended up being Nate Robinson. I think he either takes Jackson or a guard.

Yeah your point about the Sixers trading further down is definitely possible. Hopefully McD is well-connected enough and has a good dialogue going with the Sixers to step in if this is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if this was usually the impetus behind teams inexplicably trading up 1 spot.

Oh yeah, that's definitely the reason teams move up one spot. They know the pick is for sale and they are afraid someone else will trade up to that spot to nab the guy they REALLY want.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Well, that Miami pick is top 7 protected, so if we keep it, I seriously doubt we get one of those guys. With our own pick maybe. It is unprotected the following year though.

I'm sorry, I should have elaborated more b good. What I meant to say was that should we somehow find ourselves outside the top 3 picks again, My hope would be to perhaps package our pick and the Miami pick together to move back up into the top 3 again. Either way, better to potentially have it available for us to leverage, than not.

Well, I'd probably rather get it in 2019 if it's a high pick, and if it does end up being protected (Miami gets a top 7 pick next year) I wouldn't trade a 2019 unprotected one under almost any circumstance. We will likely get a pretty good pick next year anyway, if not a really good one. The thing is, you keep talking about these guys, but we could end up with the 3rd worst record (I don't think we will..but talking about your proposed tanking strategy) and still drop to 5 or 6 and miss them anyway.

Also, I guess you don't like Doncic? In many places, he is projected #1 next year.

I hear what you are saying. I agree that under NO circumstances should we make the 2019 pick available. I also don't think that we will end up in the top 3 of the lottery either.


The premise I was trying to communicate , would be predicated on the hypothetical that we end up in the top 5-6 of the lottery.


Also that we are able to have the Miami pick should it fall in the 7-10 range. Then presumably we would package both picks together maybe add an asset or two if necessary to secure a top 3 pick.

As for Doncic, I am not opposed to him, Although, He does project along the lines of Danilo Galinari.
And I like booker a bit more as our shooting guard.

Also, Both Bamba and Ayton are super talented, athletically gifted 7 footers. Bamba is like a offensively proficient Dikembe mutumbo on steroids!

And Aytons' consensus comparison is David Robinson. And Michael Porter s' projection is a 6' 10 Joe Johnson. So I would be slightly more excited about those 3 prospects more than Doncic.


And then there's Jaren jackson. He projects as an Antonio Mcdyess/ Kemp hybrid. So theoretically, We could attain a big time game changer as long as we are able to land in the top 5 somehow.


Bgood, Check out some of these prospects and let me know what you think? I am sure excited about 2018 draft possibilities.

[MathiasPW]

They may want a guard though and rate, say DSJ, Monk and Fox in the same tier so offer a trade down to picks 2-3 below them. That would likely mean there is a chance someone else wants Jackson and will give up something to get him.

If it was Hinkie I might expect something like this or I might just expect him to take Jackson as BPA even though they are fairly set at forward. With Colangelo, I don't ever remember him trying to trade down or anything. I've seen him trade the pick, which I didn't like, when we traded a chance to take Iguodala for the Knicks pick the following year, which ended up being Nate Robinson. I think he either takes Jackson or a guard.

Yeah your point about the Sixers trading further down is definitely possible. Hopefully McD is well-connected enough and has a good dialogue going with the Sixers to step in if this is the case. I wouldn't be surprised if this was usually the impetus behind teams inexplicably trading up 1 spot.

Oh yeah, that's definitely the reason teams move up one spot. They know the pick is for sale and they are afraid someone else will trade up to that spot to nab the guy they REALLY want.

It worked out so well for us the last time we moved one pick up. Who misses Archie as much as I do? Everyone, because I also don't miss him one bit.

[bwgood77]

I'm sorry, I should have elaborated more b good. What I meant to say was that should we somehow find ourselves outside the top 3 picks again, My hope would be to perhaps package our pick and the Miami pick together to move back up into the top 3 again. Either way, better to potentially have it available for us to leverage, than not.

Well, I'd probably rather get it in 2019 if it's a high pick, and if it does end up being protected (Miami gets a top 7 pick next year) I wouldn't trade a 2019 unprotected one under almost any circumstance. We will likely get a pretty good pick next year anyway, if not a really good one. The thing is, you keep talking about these guys, but we could end up with the 3rd worst record (I don't think we will..but talking about your proposed tanking strategy) and still drop to 5 or 6 and miss them anyway.

Also, I guess you don't like Doncic? In many places, he is projected #1 next year.

I hear what you are saying. I agree that under NO circumstances should we make the 2019 pick available. I also don't think that we will end up in the top 3 of the lottery either.


The premise I was trying to communicate , would be predicated on the hypothetical that we end up in the top 5-6 of the lottery.


Also that we are able to have the Miami pick should it fall in the 7-10 range. Then presumably we would package both picks together maybe add an asset or two if necessary to secure a top 3 pick.

As for Doncic, I am not opposed to him, Although, He does project along the lines of Danilo Galinari.
And I like booker a bit more as our shooting guard.

Also, Both Bamba and Ayton are super talented, athletically gifted 7 footers. Bamba is like a offensively proficient Dikembe mutumbo on steroids!

And Aytons' consensus comparison is David Robinson. And Michael Porter s' projection is a 6' 10 Joe Johnson. So I would be slightly more excited about those 3 prospects more than Doncic.


And then there's Jaren jackson. He projects as an Antonio Mcdyess/ Kemp hybrid. So theoretically, We could attain a big time game changer as long as we are able to land in the top 5 somehow.


Bgood, Check out some of these prospects and let me know what you think? I am sure excited about 2018 draft possibilities.

I'll check them out later in the real down season I might start looking a bit, in August. No point in doing it now. But we really won't know much until they start playing some college ball anyway.