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Prototypical players 

Post#1 » by denial » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:37 am

Another post in another thread got me thinking. And since there's not too much to talk about anyways I figured I'd post it.

So, I was saying in another thread how I've watched so much Suns ball that when I think of prototypical players at certain positions I always think of Suns players. Then I realized that was not true for the center position; I wonder if that means anything.

So to me, as someone who has watched almost exclusively Suns basketball (and youth rec league ball), here is my list.

Prototypical PG:
Steve Nash
Ball dominant, probes all over, inside, outside, inside, outside, keep probing, someones open, hard pass assist, repeat.
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Take the high-screen, and, well, you know the rest.
I wish he could guard on the perimeter better, although I thought he got beat up too much about his defense. He played smart team d and was always where he was supposed to be. He just was susceptible to being beat 1-1 off the dribble. A little more speed and athleticism on per miter d and he is perfect.
(Note: Kj's actually more of a favorite to me but the "prototypical" award goes to nash)

Prototypical SG:
Hmmm I don't know actually. I thought I had everyone but a 5. Oh wait. Yeah this is easy.
Dan Marjele (or however you spell it).
A great shooter who would hit those deadly high pressure cold blooded shots, consistently and reliably.

Prototypical SF:
Shawn Marion
Rebound hungry, faster than a big man, decent shot, good around the basket, can finish in transition, good feet and hands defending the perimeter, long under the basket.

Prototypical PF:
Amare pre-injury
Set high screen, roll hard, dunk or watch the shooter hit, repeat.
I won't talk about defense :)
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Charles Barkley
Tough as nails, reliable, deadly shooter when the game is on the line, willing to bang underneath. Not sure about his size.
Actually I give the edge to Barkley. Dude really had a lot of heart and put it all out there.

I know I'm a total homer. Whatever that's how I do.

I have two questions:
1) Who are your list of players, 1 at each position, that you think is a perfect textbook model for that position, that you would prototype your ideal player from at each position (any team).

2) Is there a suns 5 that fits? I know Amare played center a lot but he is definitely not my prototypical center. I would probably choose a non-Suns player like Shaq (I guess he is a former Sun) or... actually nm. I'm taking Tim Duncan. (Wait does Duncan play 4 or 5? In my head he is a 5.)

EDIT: I think I am lying to myself about the power forward. Barkley had a lot of heart but when I think of a prototype I think I size and skillset. So I don't know.
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Re: Prototypical players 

Post#2 » by batsmasher » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:14 pm

I'll think modern day.

PG: CP3 (pending how he plays with Harden this year). Elite with ball in hand - will hopefully prove this year he is just as elite off the ball (the tastes we've seen suggest he will be). Battles hard defensively - picks pockets and has an incredible bball IQ.

SG: I think in certain situations Klay is the prototype. He's obviously not the best SG in the league but I do believe his role is ultra valuable to an elite team. There aren't any players who can get as much done with as few dribbles as Klay. He also has the length and quickness to compete 1-4 defensively.

SF: KD. Man. Quickness and length at the 3 with elite shooting. It is so hard to have but that's why KD is so incredibly good. Obviously playing a lot more 4 nowadays but just as effective as a 3.

PF: Bron. Ball handling. Quickness to dominate most PFs and force teams to play small. Strength and quickness to exploit teams who play small. Shooting to create space. Elite rebounding and defense.

C: AD. Can stretch. Can score like crazy from practically anywhere. Can protect the rim and rebound.

In general I think the team prototype is changing. Playmaking has become much more of a job for forwards as it seems to be the position which is pushing teams over the top. I still haven't really thought about whether it will stay that way, but for now dominant guard play doesn't really seem to be a priority in the league.

Just a side thought on the Dubs: I think Steph's shooting and playmaking was the driving force in creating the beast that is today, but I genuinely believe the Warriors' system has become autonomous. You could plug in any elite guard into that team and still get the same result. Is that a hot take? I dunno.
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Re: Prototypical players 

Post#3 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:20 pm

batsmasher wrote:I'll think modern day.

PG: CP3 (pending how he plays with Harden this year). Elite with ball in hand - will hopefully prove this year he is just as elite off the ball (the tastes we've seen suggest he will be). Battles hard defensively - picks pockets and has an incredible bball IQ.

SG: I think in certain situations Klay is the prototype. He's obviously not the best SG in the league but I do believe his role is ultra valuable to an elite team. There aren't any players who can get as much done with as few dribbles as Klay. He also has the length and quickness to compete 1-4 defensively.

SF: KD. Man. Quickness and length at the 3 with elite shooting. It is so hard to have but that's why KD is so incredibly good. Obviously playing a lot more 4 nowadays but just as effective as a 3.

PF: Bron. Ball handling. Quickness to dominate most PFs and force teams to play small. Strength and quickness to exploit teams who play small. Shooting to create space. Elite rebounding and defense.

C: AD. Can stretch. Can score like crazy from practically anywhere. Can protect the rim and rebound.

In general I think the team prototype is changing. Playmaking has become much more of a job for forwards as it seems to be the position which is pushing teams over the top. I still haven't really thought about whether it will stay that way, but for now dominant guard play doesn't really seem to be a priority in the league.

Just a side thought on the Dubs: I think Steph's shooting and playmaking was the driving force in creating the beast that is today, but I genuinely believe the Warriors' system has become autonomous. You could plug in any elite guard into that team and still get the same result. Is that a hot take? I dunno.


I think teams are imitating the Warriors and especially Steph's role, but I think it is a mistake to do it. They need to maximize their own personnel. The three point shot has done this to the league.
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Re: Prototypical players 

Post#4 » by denial » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:41 am

The three point shot has done this to the league


In times past, I never had my son practicing threes. I always taught him to get to the rim. Jumpers were like a backup plan when you could not get to the rim.

Now a days, I have him launching. It's the nature of the modern game.

I think a lot of kids and coaches are focusing much more on jumpshots and threes as a first option. As a result, the kids are becoming better and better shooters. I expect that trend to continue.
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Re: Prototypical players 

Post#5 » by denial » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:01 am

batsmasher wrote:I'll think modern day.

SF: KD. Man. Quickness and length at the 3 with elite shooting. It is so hard to have but that's why KD is so incredibly good. Obviously playing a lot more 4 nowadays but just as effective as a 3.

C: AD. Can stretch. Can score like crazy from practically anywhere. Can protect the rim and rebound.


I cannot with a straight face have Marion even in the same league as KD. KD is great and still under rated.

I have seen AD play literally like 5 minutes in my life. I know nothing about him. I know he is touted highly. I just never watched him.

As far as cp3. I also think he is super under rated. Dude is a bonefied winner. Lays it all out there. I don't know if he is my prototype, but I think he is a great great pg and just basketball player in general
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