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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1961 » by Frank Lee » Mon Nov 6, 2017 3:25 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Agreed. Not a fan of his play. It's like he's not improved at all from last season. Defensively, I hate his stance. He doesn't move his feet, he doesn't try and divert his man into the help and he's out of position a lot when he's the help.


How do you 'develop' stupidity ? Seriously.... guys like Chris, who have the bare minimum in BBIQ, really are difficult to turn into worth while BB players. Sure, their physical attributes allow them the chance, but just ask Stromile Swift about how that works out.

Chris gets the benefit of being young for approximately how long ? This year and next ? Eventually, his learning curve will be displayed. Either he gets it or he doesn't.

If you can't tell, Im tired of drafting on 'potential'.... at some point you have to acknowledge the intelligence of a player and frankly, IMO, it should be ranked right at the top. If anything, athleticism if vastly over rated.
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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1962 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Nov 6, 2017 4:17 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Agreed. Not a fan of his play. It's like he's not improved at all from last season. Defensively, I hate his stance. He doesn't move his feet, he doesn't try and divert his man into the help and he's out of position a lot when he's the help.


How do you 'develop' stupidity ? Seriously.... guys like Chris, who have the bare minimum in BBIQ, really are difficult to turn into worth while BB players. Sure, their physical attributes allow them the chance, but just ask Stromile Swift about how that works out.

Chris gets the benefit of being young for approximately how long ? This year and next ? Eventually, his learning curve will be displayed. Either he gets it or he doesn't.

If you can't tell, Im tired of drafting on 'potential'.... at some point you have to acknowledge the intelligence of a player and frankly, IMO, it should be ranked right at the top. If anything, athleticism if vastly over rated.

I agree with this.

Btw. Sounds like you want Doncic in this next draft.


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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1963 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Nov 6, 2017 4:29 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Agreed. Not a fan of his play. It's like he's not improved at all from last season. Defensively, I hate his stance. He doesn't move his feet, he doesn't try and divert his man into the help and he's out of position a lot when he's the help.


How do you 'develop' stupidity ? Seriously.... guys like Chris, who have the bare minimum in BBIQ, really are difficult to turn into worth while BB players. Sure, their physical attributes allow them the chance, but just ask Stromile Swift about how that works out.

Chris gets the benefit of being young for approximately how long ? This year and next ? Eventually, his learning curve will be displayed. Either he gets it or he doesn't.

If you can't tell, Im tired of drafting on 'potential'.... at some point you have to acknowledge the intelligence of a player and frankly, IMO, it should be ranked right at the top. If anything, athleticism if vastly over rated.

Most know I wasn't a big fan of Chriss when we drafted him and I was critical of him getting more minutes and the starting job over Bender. From looking overweight during SL and the preseason to showing very little improvement in the regular season, my hope for the kid dwindle day by day.

I agree with you regarding BBIQ. Either you have a high BBIQ like a Nash to mask a lack of athletic abilities or low BBIQ masked by great basketball instincts like Amare. You can't have neither and still expect to be more than just a journeyman in the NBA. Right now Chriss is proving he has neither great basketball instincts nor a high BBIQ. It's troubling because neither are something you can learn or develop if you don't already have it.

Everything questioned about his BBIQ, instincts and weaknesses pre-draft from nbadraft.net are still being brought up and still relevant
His low rebounding output is the first thing that scouts mention when dissecting his game. Considering his physical gifts, 5.4 rebounds per game should be higher, even at 25 minutes per game ... He needs to work on becoming a better rebounder, both his fundamentals and effort level ... He tends to just use his athleticism and doesn't seem to have basic fundamentals in boxing his man out and holding position (something that works okay against college guys but won't work against pros) ... Feel for the game is still raw ... Plays a little out of control on both ends of the floor ... Low basketball IQ, especially defensively at this point and doesn't anticipate well ... Lacks focus and discipline defensively, too often bites on pump fakes, leading to foul trouble ... Averaged 4.1 fouls per game, and fouled out of an astounding 15 games this year, including six in a row during Conference play. It's no wonder why he played under 25 minutes per game, he was in foul trouble in virtually every game ... Often tries too hard for the steal or block and doesn't stay in a defensive stance ... He's then forced to chase down his man and over-extend, resulting in fouls on reaches or block attempts ... Plays a little too upright, on both ends, but particularly on the defensive end ... Too often finds himself out of position for help defense and on rebounds ... Has good lateral speed but no one in their right mind would confuse him for a small forward ... Maturity level was questioned as a freshman as he could be taken out of his game by bad calls or poor performance and it would show in his body language and interactions with refs ... If he's not dunking the ball, he struggles some in finishing on the move ... Some may question his level of competition and the fact that he wasn't more highly regarded out of high school ... Should be able to improve upon his 68% FT shooting ... Should also look to attack the basket and draw fouls more often than he did ... Needs to cut down on his turnovers, 2.0 is a lot considering his minutes ...

Some might say he's still only 20, has a ton of potential and to be patient and he definitely has that going for him but when we have a Bender, who's proving that he has the smarts, the NBA body and great instincts at the same age as Chriss, we should be investing PT and development into him.
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Post#1964 » by jredsaz » Mon Nov 6, 2017 5:18 am

Saberestar wrote:I have assimilated that Malcom Brogdon is not available for Bledsoe, so I have been searching for another upcoming PG who can fit with our young core.

The Celtics have two young PGs in Rozier and Smart that are good enough to start on other teams, they are not bad options for Bledsoe if Ainge wants to deal with us BUT the best option out there IMO is Spencer Dinwiddie from the Nets.

Someone here posted the idea a few days ago and I think he is right.
Spencer is playing great basketball coming from the bench for the Nets and he looks ready to play starting minutes in the league.

He is 24 years old and under contract this season and the next one for less than $2M...an steal.
He is gonna be an UFA in 2019/20, perfect for us if we want to pay him at that moment, we will have Dudley and Chandler off the books.

He is 6'6 and he is a solid defender who shoots great from three (over 45%) and has a really good assist/OT ratio (3.92).
We need someone like him next to Booker and TJ.

We can receive as a filler Trevor Booker (around $9M) who expires this season and we can cut DJJ.


Dinwiddle looks like a solid player.

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1965 » by LukasBMW » Mon Nov 6, 2017 5:40 am

Are we tanking or are we going to try to make a playoff run?

If we're tanking, fine.

But if we're going to try to make a run at that 8th seed we need a starting caliber "4" who can score inside and a starting caliber "1" right away.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1966 » by Qwigglez » Mon Nov 6, 2017 11:34 am

Another thing that irritates me so much about Chriss is he supposedly has elite athleticism, yet he can't catch a ball in the paint. Even when he goes up for the alley-oop he misses maybe 1 out of 3 catchable balls. He has stone hands similar to Alex Len & Kwame Brown. Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomas, and even Thomas Robinson were elite athletes, yet they all had lackluster careers.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1967 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Nov 6, 2017 3:26 pm

Schroder would have been a nice get 2 weeks ago, now he's putting up similar numbers as Booker.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1968 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Nov 6, 2017 3:54 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Schroder would have been a nice get 2 weeks ago, now he's putting up similar numbers as Booker.


We weren't getting Shroder two weeks ago. ATL has been really high on him since last year. Nice thought though. Let's just find the next hidden gem like that. They are out there.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1969 » by darealjuice » Mon Nov 6, 2017 4:22 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Are we tanking or are we going to try to make a playoff run?

If we're tanking, fine.

But if we're going to try to make a run at that 8th seed we need a starting caliber "4" who can score inside and a starting caliber "1" right away.


We didn't turn into a potential playoff team just because we beat the Kings and Jazz at home and the Nets and Wizards without Otto Porter and Markieff Morris on the road. We're starting to play better basketball, but it's still inconsistent.

Stay the course. Keep giving a near-even split of power forward minutes to Chriss and Bender with the edge being given to whoever is playing better that night, hopefully bring in a decent young point guard in the Bledsoe trade, and give a real coach like Triano the season to teach these kids how to actually play basketball. I have a feeling we'll start to see the development we're looking for in our young players come the end of the season.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2 

Post#1970 » by Synyster9 » Mon Nov 6, 2017 5:05 pm

We going to get a new thread?

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