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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#281 » by hollywood6964 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:09 am

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hollywood6964 wrote:And he's constantly doubled, n has had to take tougher shots in a catch as catch can offense. They need better coaching. Although overall I'm not a big fan of Westbrook. But he is a freak out there.


People keep saying OKC needs better coaching even though Westbrook is uncoachable.


That's the thing. Dude takes some awful shots, particularly in crunch time, and it isn't being doubled. Still does it with George just like he did with KD

If he could ever get over his own bull, he'd be a top guy. But I don't think he ever will.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#282 » by TOO » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:44 pm

hollywood6964 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
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People keep saying OKC needs better coaching even though Westbrook is uncoachable.


That's the thing. Dude takes some awful shots, particularly in crunch time, and it isn't being doubled. Still does it with George just like he did with KD

If he could ever get over his own bull, he'd be a top guy. But I don't think he ever will.


Imagine an MVP not being considered a "top guy."

It's funny to me, Curry bricks 35 footers on the regular, everyone has a hard on for Trae Young and he just shoots dumb shots for no reason. Westbrook is somehow this super villain because he, like many others before him, takes bad shots. I don't believe Westbrook is uncoachable, I do believe he thinks he is the alpha no matter who is on the team.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#283 » by hollywood6964 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:12 pm

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hollywood6964 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
That's the thing. Dude takes some awful shots, particularly in crunch time, and it isn't being doubled. Still does it with George just like he did with KD

If he could ever get over his own bull, he'd be a top guy. But I don't think he ever will.


Imagine an MVP not being considered a "top guy."

It's funny to me, Curry bricks 35 footers on the regular, everyone has a hard on for Trae Young and he just shoots dumb shots for no reason. Westbrook is somehow this super villain because he, like many others before him, takes bad shots. I don't believe Westbrook is uncoachable, I do believe he thinks he is the alpha no matter who is on the team.

When I say top, I mean top 3-4 in the league. If you look at the thread, I still put him in the top ten. Not exactly low praise.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#284 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:28 pm

Westbrook is a bonehead not because he takes ill-advised shots. It's because he hogs the ball no matter who shares the court with him and because when it matters most (against GSW a couple years ago), he can cost your team a possible championship with bad defense and stupid turnovers.

An absolute beast, but one who plays for himself, not to win. That's his legacy, ultimately, in my view.
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Post#285 » by hollywood6964 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:41 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Westbrook is a bonehead not because he takes ill-advised shots. It's because he hogs the ball no matter who shares the court with him and because when it matters most (against GSW a couple years ago), he can cost your team a possible championship with bad defense and stupid turnovers.

An absolute beast, but one who plays for himself, not to win. That's his legacy, ultimately, in my view.

Pretty much. A one on one terror. But like some guys before him, he won't win a title. Not until he's on the downside n has to accept a lesser role, ring chasing. N that's a maybe.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#286 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:23 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Westbrook is a bonehead not because he takes ill-advised shots. It's because he hogs the ball no matter who shares the court with him and because when it matters most (against GSW a couple years ago), he can cost your team a possible championship with bad defense and stupid turnovers.

An absolute beast, but one who plays for himself, not to win. That's his legacy, ultimately, in my view.

Couldn't we say the same about Kobe? Jordan? Both had similar USG% but doesn't touch Westbrook when it comes to APG, AST% or A:T ratio.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#287 » by DirtyDez » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:14 am

TOO wrote:
hollywood6964 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
That's the thing. Dude takes some awful shots, particularly in crunch time, and it isn't being doubled. Still does it with George just like he did with KD

If he could ever get over his own bull, he'd be a top guy. But I don't think he ever will.


Imagine an MVP not being considered a "top guy."

It's funny to me, Curry bricks 35 footers on the regular, everyone has a hard on for Trae Young and he just shoots dumb shots for no reason. Westbrook is somehow this super villain because he, like many others before him, takes bad shots. I don't believe Westbrook is uncoachable, I do believe he thinks he is the alpha no matter who is on the team.


Curry leads the entire league in True Shooting and has been #1 among all guards the last 3 years. What he's doing from an efficiency standpoint has never been done before.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#288 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:41 am

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Westbrook is a bonehead not because he takes ill-advised shots. It's because he hogs the ball no matter who shares the court with him and because when it matters most (against GSW a couple years ago), he can cost your team a possible championship with bad defense and stupid turnovers.

An absolute beast, but one who plays for himself, not to win. That's his legacy, ultimately, in my view.

Couldn't we say the same about Kobe? Jordan? Both had similar USG% but doesn't touch Westbrook when it comes to APG, AST% or A:T ratio.


Uh, no.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#289 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:30 am

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Westbrook is a bonehead not because he takes ill-advised shots. It's because he hogs the ball no matter who shares the court with him and because when it matters most (against GSW a couple years ago), he can cost your team a possible championship with bad defense and stupid turnovers.

An absolute beast, but one who plays for himself, not to win. That's his legacy, ultimately, in my view.

Couldn't we say the same about Kobe? Jordan? Both had similar USG% but doesn't touch Westbrook when it comes to APG, AST% or A:T ratio.


Uh, no.

Why is it true for Kobe but not for Jordan?
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#290 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:38 am

True Shooting Percentage:

Jordan (Chicago) 58%
League Average 56%
Bryant (Lakers) 54%
Westbrook (Oklahoma) 53%
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#291 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:56 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:True Shooting Percentage:

Jordan (Chicago) 58%
League Average 56%
Bryant (Lakers) 54%
Westbrook (Oklahoma) 53%

so 5 championships to none is separated by 1% in TS%?
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#292 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:26 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Couldn't we say the same about Kobe? Jordan? Both had similar USG% but doesn't touch Westbrook when it comes to APG, AST% or A:T ratio.


Uh, no.

Why is it true for Kobe but not for Jordan?


I could have highlighted both, but it was so obviously true for Jordan that it was preposterous.

Kobe once refused to shoot in an elimination game in the playoffs as a response to criticism that he was hogging the ball. Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan, yo.
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Re: All Star Weekend 

Post#293 » by DirtyDez » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:32 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Uh, no.

Why is it true for Kobe but not for Jordan?


I could have highlighted both, but it was so obviously true for Jordan that it was preposterous.

Kobe once refused to shoot in an elimination game in the playoffs as a response to criticism that he was hogging the ball. Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan, yo.


That was not his proudest moment but the fact that series went seven games with Phoenix having 6 of the 8 best players in the series speaks to Kobe's gravity as a player. You look at those teams and it should've been a sweep.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.

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