Game 20: Indiana Pacers at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, November 27, 7PM MST

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Everyone be careful to not fault Igor. He's the messiah here as far as some moderators are concerned. Never mind his obsession with Canaan. Never mind his bad rotations. Never mind him running the team in a way that even casual fans can see is **** stupid.

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Strong rebuttal.

I thought it was sufficient. I don't want to engage in the essay-writing contests seen lately around here (and yet here I go). Koko has introduced a system, and we tend to do better the more we stick to it. No drama from a personnel v coach perspective.

The criticisms have to do with his rotation, that he plays the wrong guys or that he's too slow, despite the fact that he's starting the guys we think should start. He does what good coaches do, and that is, give his guys a real chance to show what they have rather than yanking them as soon as they disappoint. It's not like he's got replacements ready to go on his roster. You want him to bench Canaan, but he's better than Okobo and Melton at this point. He's just being conservative, staying steady, not burning through all his options at the beginning of the year. It's only November!!

He didn't leave one of Booker/Warren/Ayton in with his backups in the second. Proved a poor choice last night, but it's clear that he's trying to get that group to play together and develop chemistry, get Josh Jackson going. Went with Warren over Ariza in the second half. It's that sort of decision that makes you think he's an idiot?

The Koko hate is just so obviously reactionary, and an overreaction, that it merits very little conversation in my view. A bad coach would go wild, making dramatic changes early, failing to stick to a system, embarrassing his players in the media, creating drama, making it about himself, etc. Koko is steady and conservative. Give the players time to adopt his system and give him a better roster a year from now, and we'll win more games.

It's just an extension of the impatience I continue to see in the online fan base. The funny thing is, my expectations were waaaay higher than most fans', and yet I'm not pissed and throwing terrible trades and hating the coach. Is everyone really so mad that we're three games back of the pace we expected? I honestly don't get it. We trot out a group of kids with Trevor Ariza, Jamal Crawford and Isiah Canaan every night. We're not winning because, what? Okobo's not getting enough burn? Okobo's the difference between winning and losing? Warren rotating out first to join the second unit rather than Ariza? You can argue about all these things, but the decisions are defensible even if they're incorrect.

Certainly not as slow to adjust as Hornacek, whose steadfast commitment to an initial decision and reluctance to play young players drove me nuts. Not reactionary like Watson, who lost his team within a year. He's given us a system that allows us to compete, now, with most teams on a night-to-night basis. But we lose. It's to be expected. And the fans apparently can't stand to hear that we need one more year to get this team on track. WGAF. I want a championship. And playing Canaan over Okobo has ZERO impact on whether we'll get there.

[MrMiyagi]

I feel like we are 1 player away...

Imagine if Bender became what we all wanted him to be.



But then thats kinda the life of a suns fan atm. 1 player from being 1 player away...

Striking out on Chriss Bender and JJ hurts.

Why are you considering Josh a strike out? He's been improving since he was in the dog house. I think by the end of the year, he won't be considered the bust a lot of people think he is now.

[RunDogGun]

-11 from the stripe and lose by 5.

[MrMiyagi]

Ariza with the -20, Bridges with a largely forgettable game and a -5, Booker with a heroic -4.

But of course, let's **** on Igor and Canaan's +4 off the bench. The bench had a helluva game and instead of recognizing it, we pick a scapegoat for this loss and it's usually Igor or Canaan. I mean Jesus, I'm not even a fan of Canaan but you're talking about him like he's single-handedly lost the game for us even though Igor didn't even play him down the stretch.

We played a good game, we were competitive against a competitive team and the better team made good shots. Do we HAVE to **** on SOMEONE?

I mean, Canaan was on the floor for the TJ Warren show in the second half, but that hole we dug in the first half should be attributed in part to him - though mostly Ariza. Trevor had some awful plays tonight like straight volleyball spiking an easy rebound out of bounds. We need Jamal to work his magic on him because our young guys are actually playing hard - though not perfect - but Trevor seems incredibly checked-out much like Tyson was.

[Scutt]

I feel like we are 1 player away...

Imagine if Bender became what we all wanted him to be.



But then thats kinda the life of a suns fan atm. 1 player from being 1 player away...

Striking out on Chriss Bender and JJ hurts.

Why are you considering Josh a strike out? He's been improving since he was in the dog house. I think by the end of the year, he won't be considered the bust a lot of people think he is now.

Because writing off players too early is what the Suns front office and fans do best? Bridges has not shot well the last few games and it's already happening with him.

[jcsunsfan]

Devin Booker played D in this game.

[RedIndian]

Strong rebuttal.

I thought it was sufficient. I don't want to engage in the essay-writing contests seen lately around here (and yet here I go). Koko has introduced a system, and we tend to do better the more we stick to it. No drama from a personnel v coach perspective.

The criticisms have to do with his rotation, that he plays the wrong guys or that he's too slow, despite the fact that he's starting the guys we think should start. He does what good coaches do, and that is, give his guys a real chance to show what they have rather than yanking them as soon as they disappoint. It's not like he's got replacements ready to go on his roster. You want him to bench Canaan, but he's better than Okobo and Melton at this point. He's just being conservative, staying steady, not burning through all his options at the beginning of the year. It's only November!!

He didn't leave one of Booker/Warren/Ayton in with his backups in the second. Proved a poor choice last night, but it's clear that he's trying to get that group to play together and develop chemistry, get Josh Jackson going. Went with Warren over Ariza in the second half. It's that sort of decision that makes you think he's an idiot?

The Koko hate is just so obviously reactionary, and an overreaction, that it merits very little conversation in my view. A bad coach would go wild, making dramatic changes early, failing to stick to a system, embarrassing his players in the media, creating drama, making it about himself, etc. Koko is steady and conservative. Give the players time to adopt his system and give him a better roster a year from now, and we'll win more games.

It's just an extension of the impatience I continue to see in the online fan base. The funny thing is, my expectations were waaaay higher than most fans', and yet I'm not pissed and throwing terrible trades and hating the coach. Is everyone really so mad that we're three games back of the pace we expected? I honestly don't get it. We trot out a group of kids with Trevor Ariza, Jamal Crawford and Isiah Canaan every night. We're not winning because, what? Okobo's not getting enough burn? Okobo's the difference between winning and losing? Warren rotating out first to join the second unit rather than Ariza? You can argue about all these things, but the decisions are defensible even if they're incorrect.

Certainly not as slow to adjust as Hornacek, whose steadfast commitment to an initial decision and reluctance to play young players drove me nuts. Not reactionary like Watson, who lost his team within a year. He's given us a system that allows us to compete, now, with most teams on a night-to-night basis. But we lose. It's to be expected. And the fans apparently can't stand to hear that we need one more year to get this team on track. WGAF. I want a championship. And playing Canaan over Okobo has ZERO impact on whether we'll get there.

Fantastic post.

[jcsunsfan]

Strong rebuttal.

I thought it was sufficient. I don't want to engage in the essay-writing contests seen lately around here (and yet here I go). Koko has introduced a system, and we tend to do better the more we stick to it. No drama from a personnel v coach perspective.

The criticisms have to do with his rotation, that he plays the wrong guys or that he's too slow, despite the fact that he's starting the guys we think should start. He does what good coaches do, and that is, give his guys a real chance to show what they have rather than yanking them as soon as they disappoint. It's not like he's got replacements ready to go on his roster. You want him to bench Canaan, but he's better than Okobo and Melton at this point. He's just being conservative, staying steady, not burning through all his options at the beginning of the year. It's only November!!

He didn't leave one of Booker/Warren/Ayton in with his backups in the second. Proved a poor choice last night, but it's clear that he's trying to get that group to play together and develop chemistry, get Josh Jackson going. Went with Warren over Ariza in the second half. It's that sort of decision that makes you think he's an idiot?

The Koko hate is just so obviously reactionary, and an overreaction, that it merits very little conversation in my view. A bad coach would go wild, making dramatic changes early, failing to stick to a system, embarrassing his players in the media, creating drama, making it about himself, etc. Koko is steady and conservative. Give the players time to adopt his system and give him a better roster a year from now, and we'll win more games.

It's just an extension of the impatience I continue to see in the online fan base. The funny thing is, my expectations were waaaay higher than most fans', and yet I'm not pissed and throwing terrible trades and hating the coach. Is everyone really so mad that we're three games back of the pace we expected? I honestly don't get it. We trot out a group of kids with Trevor Ariza, Jamal Crawford and Isiah Canaan every night. We're not winning because, what? Okobo's not getting enough burn? Okobo's the difference between winning and losing? Warren rotating out first to join the second unit rather than Ariza? You can argue about all these things, but the decisions are defensible even if they're incorrect.

Certainly not as slow to adjust as Hornacek, whose steadfast commitment to an initial decision and reluctance to play young players drove me nuts. Not reactionary like Watson, who lost his team within a year. He's given us a system that allows us to compete, now, with most teams on a night-to-night basis. But we lose. It's to be expected. And the fans apparently can't stand to hear that we need one more year to get this team on track. WGAF. I want a championship. And playing Canaan over Okobo has ZERO impact on whether we'll get there.

I totally agree with this post.

[bwgood77]

I feel like we are 1 player away...

Imagine if Bender became what we all wanted him to be.



But then thats kinda the life of a suns fan atm. 1 player from being 1 player away...

Striking out on Chriss Bender and JJ hurts.

Why are you considering Josh a strike out? He's been improving since he was in the dog house. I think by the end of the year, he won't be considered the bust a lot of people think he is now.

Because writing off players too early is what the Suns front office and fans do best? Bridges has not shot well the last few games and it's already happening with him.

No one is writing Bridges off, but just mentioning neither him or Ariza have shot well the last two games which did contribute to our losses. Booker hasn't shot well for a number of games. I mean Canaan sucks but the losses are not all on him playing.

[alldayeveryday]

I think Turner is going to ball out tonight. (secret jinx)

You!!!

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[lilfishi22]

Ariza with the -20, Bridges with a largely forgettable game and a -5, Booker with a heroic -4.

But of course, let's **** on Igor and Canaan's +4 off the bench. The bench had a helluva game and instead of recognizing it, we pick a scapegoat for this loss and it's usually Igor or Canaan. I mean Jesus, I'm not even a fan of Canaan but you're talking about him like he's single-handedly lost the game for us even though Igor didn't even play him down the stretch.

We played a good game, we were competitive against a competitive team and the better team made good shots. Do we HAVE to **** on SOMEONE?

I mean, Canaan was on the floor for the TJ Warren show in the second half, but that hole we dug in the first half should be attributed in part to him - though mostly Ariza. Trevor had some awful plays tonight like straight volleyball spiking an easy rebound out of bounds. We need Jamal to work his magic on him because our young guys are actually playing hard - though not perfect - but Trevor seems incredibly checked-out much like Tyson was.

Sure but he was also on the floor with 4 other guys. Ultimately he finished the game on a positive +4. But people just love to pick a scapegoat

[DaleyBlind]

Jackson handles are embarrassingly bad