Game 33: Phoenix Suns at Washington Wizards, Saturday, 12/22, 5:00 PM MST

[hollywood6964]

I just always hate when a player takes a team out of his offense with a lead too early. I don't think with over 3 minutes left and only a 7 point lead that's enough. If it was a 7 point lead with 90 seconds left, maybe, but teams can still come back from that. I think continuing to share the ball and keep everyone involved will keep everyone more engaged on both sides of the ball, and then maybe milk the clock down when the lead looks very safe. Not with over 3 minutes left and only a 7 point lead. Overall he wasn't selfish, which made it more frustrating to me when he was. He was facilitating the offense. Even though Nash was a far better shooter, he would have never done that. He would have kept the whole team confident and into it until the end of regulation and no chance we lose.

Except in playoffs, when nash would've dribbled every 24 second down under 5 in the waning moments of games. He too, was guilty of dribbling the air out of the ball down the stretch. A big reason we'd lose games to dallas n san antonio.

Sometimes, but he would dribble it to run down the clock and then find the open good shot, or lay it in if it was there. He wasn't dribbling it down so he could hoist a guarded 30 footer at the end.

I didn't say booker was a carbon copy of nash in every aspect of the clock rundown. But Nash DID dribble the air out of the ball, I don't think I'll be able to except a defensive response in this regard. It's not like the tape isn't out there, for years worth of sample size. Not saying you were. But Nash is extremely guilty of that. Cost us a lot of playoff wins.

[bwgood77]

Except in playoffs, when nash would've dribbled every 24 second down under 5 in the waning moments of games. He too, was guilty of dribbling the air out of the ball down the stretch. A big reason we'd lose games to dallas n san antonio.

Sometimes, but he would dribble it to run down the clock and then find the open good shot, or lay it in if it was there. He wasn't dribbling it down so he could hoist a guarded 30 footer at the end.

I didn't say booker was a carbon copy of nash in every aspect of the clock rundown. But Nash DID dribble the air out of the ball, I don't think I'll be able to except a defensive response in this regard. It's not like the tape isn't out there, for years worth of sample size. Not saying you were. But Nash is extremely guilty of that. Cost us a lot of playoff wins.

Well I watched him a ton, and he'd usually dribble some at the top of the key, but not typically for the whole shot clock and wait until there is like 4 seconds left. He would run around the 3 point line and under then cut in towards the basket and then when the defense caved he'd kick it out...or he'd run a pick n roll with Amare, or Gortat after that.

I mean everyone got better playing with Nash. With Booker, that's not always the case because a lot of times no one at all ever touches the ball, so they end up getting cold or never really get many shots down the stretch of close games.

[bwgood77]

I didn't say booker was a carbon copy of nash in every aspect of the clock rundown. But Nash DID dribble the air out of the ball, I don't think I'll be able to except a defensive response in this regard. It's not like the tape isn't out there, for years worth of sample size. Not saying you were. But Nash is extremely guilty of that. Cost us a lot of playoff wins.

Well I watched him a ton, and he'd usually dribble some at the top of the key, but not typically for the whole shot clock and wait until there is like 4 seconds left. He would run around the 3 point line and under then cut in towards the basket and then when the defense caved he'd kick it out...or he'd run a pick n roll with Amare, or Gortat after that.

I mean everyone got better playing with Nash. With Booker, that's not always the case because a lot of times no one at all ever touches the ball, so they end up getting cold or never really get many shots down the stretch of close games.

You've got a misnomer comparison going there. I'm not saying it's exactly the same.

I'm talking about Nash dribbling in and of itself. But if you don't think nash dribble, dribble, dribbled n cost us wins as a result down the stretches of a lot of games, then we'll just have to be on different fronts on the subject.

Sure, perhaps it did, but we won a hell a lot of games with him doing things right after we won very few with much of the same supporting cast with Marbury.

[hollywood6964]

Well I watched him a ton, and he'd usually dribble some at the top of the key, but not typically for the whole shot clock and wait until there is like 4 seconds left. He would run around the 3 point line and under then cut in towards the basket and then when the defense caved he'd kick it out...or he'd run a pick n roll with Amare, or Gortat after that.

I mean everyone got better playing with Nash. With Booker, that's not always the case because a lot of times no one at all ever touches the ball, so they end up getting cold or never really get many shots down the stretch of close games.

You've got a misnomer comparison going there. I'm not saying it's exactly the same.

I'm talking about Nash dribbling in and of itself. But if you don't think nash dribble, dribble, dribbled n cost us wins as a result down the stretches of a lot of games, then we'll just have to be on different fronts on the subject.

Sure, perhaps it did, but we won a hell a lot of games with him doing things right after we won very few with much of the same supporting cast with Marbury.

No doubt, Marbury is another John Wall. It's a shame Hardaway was shot by the time we got Marbury, things may have been different. Penny was special. Once in a while he could turn it on, like his '03 game in orlando with some silly moves trying to match mcgrady n hush the boos, but he probably had to ice his knees for days after that.

I just wish Nash played to win in those games, instead of playing not to lose.