Game 22: Orlando Magic at Phoenix Suns, Friday, November 30, 7PM MST

[gaspar]

I really wish you could put moderators on ignore, the complete and utter **** I have to read from these clowns is ridiculous.

This.

[gaspar]

Lol this board is imploding. The fan base is becoming as dysfunctional as the franchise.

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That piece of **** bw and his sidekick fishi truly ruined this board.

[bwgood77]

Ariza is not the problem IMO. He is and he has always been a role player, low usage SF who can help a bit on both sides of the floor.
No more, no less.

The problem is that we can not sign any good FA, so we want to sign role players like Ariza and put them on biggers roles that what they can play.

I agree.

Ariza isn't the reason they are losing. They are simply out matched from a depth and talent standpoint most nights. I do think there are times where ariza sees this early in a game and knows it's a lost cause and coasts through the rest of the game. This has been an issue with some of the vets they have brought it. That's why it's better to have role players like holmes who is playing for a contract and motivated to play hard because of it than vets who have got paid and are very short on **** to give.

Crawford has been an exception but at this point I think he's just playing for the love of the game and since he gets to do his Crawford things with the suns he's cool with it and plays hard even if they are down 20.

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I agree he's not the only reason. We are young, don't have many good defenders, have little depth, have dealt with multiple injuries, etc. Ariza has played well at times but it's probably hard for a vet who has played for conference finals and finals teams to continue to always stay engaged. Young, hungry players out to prove themselves, like a Holmes are the perfect types of guys to go for.

[Revived]

Maybe Howard Mass can make a Deandre Ayton fanboard where some dudes here can go to hide away and ban any negative talk about him. The rest of us can stay here and root for (and yes, criticize) Ayton AND the rest of the Suns.

^this. Ayton fan boys are becoming almost an unbearable as the Vince Carter fanboys we had during his short tenure here.

[Revived]

People all over Lukas nutz.... dude got 6 points tonight !!!

People need to relax with criticisms on Ayton !!

Watch on YouTube

Yeah but he also did this to the best basketball player on the planet. Hope Ayton can replicate this tomorrow against him.

[Domejandro]

THIS... is more interesting than the team currently is. It's what 4-18 does to a fanbase. We're all pissed off and rightly so.

I've read through the later parts of this thread, and it is a cluster **** (as a side-note, the people warned pretty clearly deserved it; I am generally pretty open about my disagreements when people are unfairly warned, but not only did they go crazy in this thread, they have continually went off the deep-end on the General Board and Trade Board as well). That said, just as a message of encouragement from a fan who has watched the most incompetent franchise in NBA History, it legitimately gets better over time.

Here is a coping strategy that everyone can employ to actually enjoy games: just focus on player progression. Deandre Ayton is a train-wreck in pick-and-roll, be encouraged when he makes that great rotation that forces the guard to pass out or take an uncomfortable jumper. Josh Jackson cannot shoot, but feel encouraged when he gets his feet set and nails an uncontested three (the ones he needs to hit).

Given Phoenix is actually terrible, it isn't easy, as there is a lot more negatives to filter through than positives, but the bright-spots shouldn't be overlooked completely. Take them into context of what each player needs to improve, and overtime you will likely notice the positives more and more.

Spoiler:

Also, maybe unpopular to some but Bridges might be the guy who's the bigger impact rookie for you. I know you like Ayton, but Bridges has flat been better.

He was, but the last few games he has almost been non existent. I know he still always plays great D but he needs to provide some sort of offense or even rebounds, steals, assist, etc.

Yeah was just digging through your lineup numbers, think he reminds me a bit of Otto Porter in he's a guy who needs someone else to set him up most times and doesn't get looks but's just a really important player. From Cleaning The Glass:

Ayton w/o Bridges is a -14.3



Overall a -5.6



Together a +5.4 and the defense way better

For example, this is a positive thing, as it showcases that two (hopefully) cornerstone pieces have a positive on-court synergy, and illustrates that Mikal Bridges is the type of player who will be able to slot in next to Devin Booker and Deandre Ayton long-term. Mikal Bridges is a good player, feel happy about that you guys!

Wow, Ayton laughing about Fortnite in a postgame interview. That "getting to second contract" as the biggest goal makes more sense every day.

I would be careful about criticizing players over this, a lot of people have declared Towns a scrub due to him playing video-games; very much a slippery slope. You hate to see people smiling after a loss (Andrew Wiggins), but you just have to hope that with healthy guidance, young players will mature.

As a final note, you guys lost to a decent team by fifteen points missing Devin Booker, T.J. Warren, and Cashed-Check Ariza; definitely not a game to meltdown over.

P.S. to Mussolini, my Shakespearean monologue about why Ricky Rubio is a gem got deleted because my internet crashed, and I've been too demoralized/(actually just busy) to rewrite it, but I'll probably type it back up in the next couple days.

[collidingNeurons]

THIS... is more interesting than the team currently is. It's what 4-18 does to a fanbase. We're all pissed off and rightly so.

I've read through the later parts of this thread, and it is a cluster **** (as a side-note, the people warned pretty clearly deserved it; I am generally pretty open about my disagreements when people are unfairly warned, but not only did they go crazy in this thread, they have continually went off the deep-end on the General Board and Trade Board as well). That said, just as a message of encouragement from a fan who has watched the most incompetent franchise in NBA History, it legitimately gets better over time.

Here is a coping strategy that everyone can employ to actually enjoy games: just focus on player progression. Deandre Ayton is a train-wreck in pick-and-roll, be encouraged when he makes that great rotation that forces the guard to pass out or take an uncomfortable jumper. Josh Jackson cannot shoot, but feel encouraged when he gets his feet set and nails an uncontested three (the ones he needs to hit).

Given Phoenix is actually terrible, it isn't easy, as there is a lot more negatives to filter through than positives, but the bright-spots shouldn't be overlooked completely. Take them into context of what each player needs to improve, and overtime you will likely notice the positives more and more.

Spoiler:

He was, but the last few games he has almost been non existent. I know he still always plays great D but he needs to provide some sort of offense or even rebounds, steals, assist, etc.

Yeah was just digging through your lineup numbers, think he reminds me a bit of Otto Porter in he's a guy who needs someone else to set him up most times and doesn't get looks but's just a really important player. From Cleaning The Glass:

Ayton w/o Bridges is a -14.3



Overall a -5.6



Together a +5.4 and the defense way better

For example, this is a positive thing, as it showcases that two (hopefully) cornerstone pieces have a positive on-court synergy, and illustrates that Mikal Bridges is the type of player who will be able to slot in next to Devin Booker and Deandre Ayton long-term. Mikal Bridges is a good player, feel happy about that you guys!

Wow, Ayton laughing about Fortnite in a postgame interview. That "getting to second contract" as the biggest goal makes more sense every day.

I would be careful about criticizing players over this, a lot of people have declared Towns a scrub due to him playing video-games; very much a slippery slope. You hate to see people smiling after a loss (Andrew Wiggins), but you just have to hope that with healthy guidance, young players will mature.

As a final note, you guys lost to a decent team by fifteen points missing Devin Booker, T.J. Warren, and Cashed-Check Ariza; definitely not a game to meltdown over.

P.S. to Mussolini, my Shakespearean monologue about why Ricky Rubio is a gem got deleted because my internet crashed, and I've been too demoralized/(actually just busy) to rewrite it, but I'll probably type it back up in the next couple days.

not a complaint per se, but not really sure why we need a moderator from another team's board to come over and give us this advice. Most of us that have been around awhile know to ignore the immature ragers, those that dont wont take this advice to heart because they wont see how it applies to them. and all of the long time Suns fans are well aware of the limitations and flaws of our current team and most of us can find the hope where it exists, but they doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them on a fan forum when it seems warranted either.

[Domejandro]

not a complaint per se, but not really sure why we need a moderator from another team's board to come over and give us this advice. Most of us that have been around awhile know to ignore the immature ragers, those that dont wont take this advice to heart because they wont see how it applies to them. and all of the long time Suns fans are well aware of the limitations and flaws of our current team and most of us can find the hope where it exists, but they doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them on a fan forum when it seems warranted either.

For what it is worth, I came to the thread because I had just finished the game on DVR, and wanted to make a couple comments on what I noticed. Generally I like to read through to notice what other have seen and offer a differing perspective, but noticed that the thread got out of control. I mainly come from the perspective of a Minnesota fan, on that forum we have had meltdowns time and time again, so I just thought I would share that (to avoid feeling too bummed out about losing consistently) focusing on the negatives of a player to pick out positives ironically leads to a better viewing experience, as it generally leads to you noticing the positives happening more consistently. I apologize if I came across preachy, or self-righteous, I legitimately did not mean to be; I hadn't slept, so my phrasing kind of lacked tact.

As a side comment, I will admit me commenting on the meltdown situation was a bit of an overreach (albeit to be clear, it isn't like bw "rallied troops", I kind of stumbled along by chance), but when I see guys being compared to Nazi Germany and Mussolini over a poster who I immediately went "oh, that is the guy who I had to talk to about calling posters on the Minnesota boards 'delusional morons'", I figured I would just chime in that it wasn't a problem just isolated to this board, for the little that is worth.

[collidingNeurons]

not a complaint per se, but not really sure why we need a moderator from another team's board to come over and give us this advice. Most of us that have been around awhile know to ignore the immature ragers, those that dont wont take this advice to heart because they wont see how it applies to them. and all of the long time Suns fans are well aware of the limitations and flaws of our current team and most of us can find the hope where it exists, but they doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them on a fan forum when it seems warranted either.

For what it is worth, I came to the thread because I had just finished the game on DVR, and wanted to make a couple comments on what I noticed. Generally I like to read through to notice what other have seen and offer a differing perspective, but noticed that the thread got out of control. I mainly come from the perspective of a Minnesota fan, on that forum we have had meltdowns time and time again, so I just thought I would share that (to avoid feeling too bummed out about losing consistently) focusing on the negatives of a player to pick out positives ironically leads to a better viewing experience, as it generally leads to you noticing the positives happening more consistently. I apologize if I came across preachy, or self-righteous, I legitimately did not mean to be; I hadn't slept, so my phrasing kind of lacked tact.

As a side comment, I will admit me commenting on the meltdown situation was a bit of an overreach (albeit to be clear, it isn't like bw "rallied troops", I kind of stumbled along by chance), but when I see guys being compared to Nazi Germany and Mussolini over a poster who I immediately went "oh, that is the guy who I had to talk to about calling posters on the Minnesota boards 'delusional morons'", I figured I would just chime in that it wasn't a problem just isolated to this board, for the little that is worth.

yeah no problem, just wasn't sure of the intent, but most of us have seen these posters for years and most of us just don't engage when they go off on their tantrumy rants, its just pointless and just feeds it. as far as BW goes , he in my experience has been one of the least heavy handed moderators here, and exercises more tolerance than most, i could see those complaints about some of the other mods from other forums, seems very misplaced directed at him. He has opinions and expresses them and some dont seem to appreciate the criticizing of Ayton currently but whatever, he was a fan and a poster before he was a mod and has as much a right to express his thoughts as the rest of us.

[lilfishi22]

not a complaint per se, but not really sure why we need a moderator from another team's board to come over and give us this advice. Most of us that have been around awhile know to ignore the immature ragers, those that dont wont take this advice to heart because they wont see how it applies to them. and all of the long time Suns fans are well aware of the limitations and flaws of our current team and most of us can find the hope where it exists, but they doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize them on a fan forum when it seems warranted either.

For what it is worth, I came to the thread because I had just finished the game on DVR, and wanted to make a couple comments on what I noticed. Generally I like to read through to notice what other have seen and offer a differing perspective, but noticed that the thread got out of control. I mainly come from the perspective of a Minnesota fan, on that forum we have had meltdowns time and time again, so I just thought I would share that (to avoid feeling too bummed out about losing consistently) focusing on the negatives of a player to pick out positives ironically leads to a better viewing experience, as it generally leads to you noticing the positives happening more consistently. I apologize if I came across preachy, or self-righteous, I legitimately did not mean to be; I hadn't slept, so my phrasing kind of lacked tact.

As a side comment, I will admit me commenting on the meltdown situation was a bit of an overreach (albeit to be clear, it isn't like bw "rallied troops", I kind of stumbled along by chance), but when I see guys being compared to Nazi Germany and Mussolini over a poster who I immediately went "oh, that is the guy who I had to talk to about calling posters on the Minnesota boards 'delusional morons'", I figured I would just chime in that it wasn't a problem just isolated to this board, for the little that is worth.

It's nice to have an outsiders perspective, especially one who's a fan of a horribly managed franchise as well.

I don't have an issue at all with anyone outside of the Suns board whether it's a mod or a regular poster come here to post something positive, add value to the discussion or just add a different perspective, as long as they are respectful and not trolling of course.

[denial]

Fine, tonight it's not the ticky tack fouls that did it, it's because he must have had a bad day.

The thing is I watched him in college and had concerns. But he is regressing the last couple of games I didn't expect at all. He is being paid like $10 million to play...he should bring it. We took him over a lot of guys giving much more effort.

If it was about "effort" I would be a starter in the NBA. Ayton has talent.

Are any of those rookies who give all this "effort" averaging a dbl dbl?
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/sort/doubleDouble/league/west

You know way more about Ayton than me. But numbers rarely lie.

Dude you're worse than the Igor apologists on here. Ayton has played with zero interest lately. I want to make a joke about your name but it's too easy.

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any jokes for my name for the stretch of games since our last chat?

[Midnight_Suns]

If it was about "effort" I would be a starter in the NBA. Ayton has talent.

Are any of those rookies who give all this "effort" averaging a dbl dbl?
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/double-doubles/sort/doubleDouble/league/west

You know way more about Ayton than me. But numbers rarely lie.

Dude you're worse than the Igor apologists on here. Ayton has played with zero interest lately. I want to make a joke about your name but it's too easy.

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any jokes for my name for the stretch of games since our last chat?

Lol. He was sucking for a stretch of games and now he's been great for a stretch of games. I calls it as I sees it.

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