Game 49: Timberwolves at Suns, Tuesday, January 22nd, 7PM MST

[thamadkant]

Booker showed his bratty side tonight.
Yapping then pushing off with his hand on someone's face... Dieng would demolish him in a fight.

He was showing glimpse of it a couple of years ago when he would hard foul someone then yap back at them...

Then now with him knocking up two women at the same time... One a Thot who will indeed talk to the media and extort him once the child is born.

He may end up being Dwight Howard version 2 the way he's going.
I mean Paul George also messed up but atleast this guy is putting on work on the court and proving he's a star every night. Booker hasn't done crap and he's acting as if he's been an ALL star a couple of times... Imagine when or if he actually becomes an All star.

[AtheJ415]

Also, I'll add that our team's shooting SUCKS, so Book's assist percentage numbers are actually very likely pretty deflated relative to potential assists. So his above average passing efficiency relative to other combo guards would probably be average ++ to elite if the Suns shot at a league average level.

[AtheJ415]

Booker showed his bratty side tonight.
Yapping then pushing off with his hand on someone's face... Dieng would demolish him in a fight.

He was showing glimpse of it a couple of years ago when he would hard foul someone then yap back at them...

Then now with him knocking up two women at the same time... One a Thot who will indeed talk to the media and extort him once the child is born.

He may end up being Dwight Howard version 2 the way he's going.
I mean Paul George also messed up but atleast this guy is putting on work on the court and proving he's a star every night. Booker hasn't done crap and he's acting as if he's been an ALL star a couple of times... Imagine when or if he actually becomes an All star.

Booker is a wildly different player than George was at 22. He's nearly double the offensive impact while being much, much worse on defense. George played on much better teams though in Indy with a much less competitive conference. If Paul George at 21 was having to compete at a position group Booker does in the West to make an all-star team (where Lillard, an MVP vote getter, is the last guard on the all star roster), then he wouldn't have made an all-star team by 22 either.

So really, is the issue that you expect Book to be as good now as George is at 28 in the very center of his prime? Because if Book was in the East he would already be a 2 time all star.

[Revived]

Booker showed his bratty side tonight.
Yapping then pushing off with his hand on someone's face... Dieng would demolish him in a fight.

He was showing glimpse of it a couple of years ago when he would hard foul someone then yap back at them...

Then now with him knocking up two women at the same time... One a Thot who will indeed talk to the media and extort him once the child is born.

He may end up being Dwight Howard version 2 the way he's going.
I mean Paul George also messed up but atleast this guy is putting on work on the court and proving he's a star every night. Booker hasn't done crap and he's acting as if he's been an ALL star a couple of times... Imagine when or if he actually becomes an All star.

Booker is a wildly different player than George was at 22. He's nearly double the offensive impact while being much, much worse on defense. George played on much better teams though in Indy with a much less competitive conference. If Paul George at 21 was having to compete at a position group Booker does in the West to make an all-star team (where Lillard, an MVP vote getter, is the last guard on the all star roster), then he wouldn't have made an all-star team by 22 either.

So really, is the issue that you expect Book to be as good now as George is at 28 in the very center of his prime? Because if Book was in the East he would already be a 2 time all star.

I don’t think Booker will ever become the defensive player that George is. And right now, George plays within the system and contributes to winning basketball on both ends of the court more so than Booker.

When was the last time a player who is the worst in the league defensively at his position ended up becoming even an average defensive later on? And no, not Harden or Curry because both were vastly better defensively even early in their careers than Booker has been.

[AtheJ415]

Booker showed his bratty side tonight.
Yapping then pushing off with his hand on someone's face... Dieng would demolish him in a fight.

He was showing glimpse of it a couple of years ago when he would hard foul someone then yap back at them...

Then now with him knocking up two women at the same time... One a Thot who will indeed talk to the media and extort him once the child is born.

He may end up being Dwight Howard version 2 the way he's going.
I mean Paul George also messed up but atleast this guy is putting on work on the court and proving he's a star every night. Booker hasn't done crap and he's acting as if he's been an ALL star a couple of times... Imagine when or if he actually becomes an All star.

Booker is a wildly different player than George was at 22. He's nearly double the offensive impact while being much, much worse on defense. George played on much better teams though in Indy with a much less competitive conference. If Paul George at 21 was having to compete at a position group Booker does in the West to make an all-star team (where Lillard, an MVP vote getter, is the last guard on the all star roster), then he wouldn't have made an all-star team by 22 either.

So really, is the issue that you expect Book to be as good now as George is at 28 in the very center of his prime? Because if Book was in the East he would already be a 2 time all star.

I don’t think Booker will ever become the defensive player that George is. And right now, George plays within the system and contributes to winning basketball on both ends of the court more so than Booker.

When was the last time a player who is the worst in the league defensively at his position ended up becoming even an average defensive later on? And no, not Harden or Curry because both were vastly better defensively even early in their careers than Booker has been.

This is the old 2-way player argument, which basically just means "best offensive player amongst defenders". It is faulty, because to take your example, George is not a better player than Curry or Harden, who are still negatives on defense relative to George's strong defensive skills. There's a reason Jimmy Butler and PG13 aren't leading teams to titles. Kawhi is really the only true 2 way player who is an MVP candidate these days. Lebron has not exactly been a stellar defender except when he chooses to be. Same with Westbrook for the past few years.

Also, Booker has a whopping 6 years (6 full seasons and offseasons), to be where George is. Even if you wanted to argue George is better on offense, which would be highly debatable, how good is Booker going to be in 6 freaking years, particularly when he transitions to a more traditional SG role or gets more experience in the combo guard role? George is the better player now no question, but why should we be expecting our 22 year old SG who is playing out of position, for a new coach, and is in year 1 of running an offense, to be outperforming 28 year old superstars in their primes? Book is the #1 SG in the NBA in ORPM (Harden is listed as a PG). That is really damn good for a dude on a team with no shooting overall, a rookie coach, and having to handle the ball and setup others for the 1st time at age 22. 0 other dudes can do that. Donovan Mitchell struggles to even set up his GOOD shooting teammates enough to get a few assists a game with a proven and fantastic coach, and most consider him a future star. Why is Book being held to that high a standard? Is it because of the contract? If so, let's see where he is halfway through it, because a long-term deal is given based on EXPECTED performance OVER THE LIFE of the contract. It's not meant to mean Book has to perform like that, and even if it was to be read that way, the extension kicks in next year.

I just find it ridiculous the extent of the overexaggeration of Book's supposed struggles on here. He's having to run the entire offense for a team with 1 guy who shoots from the perimeter consistently in the lineup with him most of the time, and he's doing it at an elite level. Yes, his D is awful. Yes, his 3 point shooting has fallen off this year. But his overall shooting is still elite because he's finishing around the hoop, and his passing is world's better, as is his playmaking particularly with his left hand. The idea that he just needs to work harder when he basically learned how to run this entire offense in 1 offseason, has battled a ton of injuries, and has improved markedly as a passer (with both hands), and finishing around the hoop, is just crazy. It took TJ 5 years to learn to shoot a 3. There are issues with Book. He isn't perfect. But he very clearly works his ass off and is a better player today than he was a year ago, and he's way ahead of a ton of current MVP candidates and all stars at the same respective age.

If people are going to criticize him on here a ton, at least do it accurately. He does SUCK at defense--he does go into hero mode down the stretch of games (though not often during games, and again the PnR sets many complain about are not that). The idea that he doesn't make the team better, or that guys like Jackson play better without him, at least have the decency to look up the numbers instead of just repeating over and over again that the eye test is never wrong. If his teammates could hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher he'd probably have 9 assists a game, many of which are dunks and 3s and thus really valuable assists at that. I mean we have wings who can't make basic entry passes to Ayton from the side angles with a moving defender shielded off, and people are blaming the dude commanding a double team because he dribbled it off his foot or because he gets too aggressive when the lead balloons. The team has problems. Booker is one of the very, very smallest ones.

[bwgood77]

Booker is a wildly different player than George was at 22. He's nearly double the offensive impact while being much, much worse on defense. George played on much better teams though in Indy with a much less competitive conference. If Paul George at 21 was having to compete at a position group Booker does in the West to make an all-star team (where Lillard, an MVP vote getter, is the last guard on the all star roster), then he wouldn't have made an all-star team by 22 either.

So really, is the issue that you expect Book to be as good now as George is at 28 in the very center of his prime? Because if Book was in the East he would already be a 2 time all star.

I don’t think Booker will ever become the defensive player that George is. And right now, George plays within the system and contributes to winning basketball on both ends of the court more so than Booker.

When was the last time a player who is the worst in the league defensively at his position ended up becoming even an average defensive later on? And no, not Harden or Curry because both were vastly better defensively even early in their careers than Booker has been.

This is the old 2-way player argument, which basically just means "best offensive player amongst defenders". It is faulty, because to take your example, George is not a better player than Curry or Harden, who are still negatives on defense relative to George's strong defensive skills. There's a reason Jimmy Butler and PG13 aren't leading teams to titles. Kawhi is really the only true 2 way player who is an MVP candidate these days. Lebron has not exactly been a stellar defender except when he chooses to be. Same with Westbrook for the past few years.

Also, Booker has a whopping 6 years (6 full seasons and offseasons), to be where George is. Even if you wanted to argue George is better on offense, which would be highly debatable, how good is Booker going to be in 6 freaking years, particularly when he transitions to a more traditional SG role or gets more experience in the combo guard role? George is the better player now no question, but why should we be expecting our 22 year old SG who is playing out of position, for a new coach, and is in year 1 of running an offense, to be outperforming 28 year old superstars in their primes? Book is the #1 SG in the NBA in ORPM (Harden is listed as a PG). That is really damn good for a dude on a team with no shooting overall, a rookie coach, and having to handle the ball and setup others for the 1st time at age 22. 0 other dudes can do that. Donovan Mitchell struggles to even set up his GOOD shooting teammates enough to get a few assists a game with a proven and fantastic coach, and most consider him a future star. Why is Book being held to that high a standard? Is it because of the contract? If so, let's see where he is halfway through it, because a long-term deal is given based on EXPECTED performance OVER THE LIFE of the contract. It's not meant to mean Book has to perform like that, and even if it was to be read that way, the extension kicks in next year.

I just find it ridiculous the extent of the overexaggeration of Book's supposed struggles on here. He's having to run the entire offense for a team with 1 guy who shoots from the perimeter consistently in the lineup with him most of the time, and he's doing it at an elite level. Yes, his D is awful. Yes, his 3 point shooting has fallen off this year. But his overall shooting is still elite because he's finishing around the hoop, and his passing is world's better, as is his playmaking particularly with his left hand. The idea that he just needs to work harder when he basically learned how to run this entire offense in 1 offseason, has battled a ton of injuries, and has improved markedly as a passer (with both hands), and finishing around the hoop, is just crazy. It took TJ 5 years to learn to shoot a 3. There are issues with Book. He isn't perfect. But he very clearly works his ass off and is a better player today than he was a year ago, and he's way ahead of a ton of current MVP candidates and all stars at the same respective age.

If people are going to criticize him on here a ton, at least do it accurately. He does SUCK at defense--he does go into hero mode down the stretch of games (though not often during games, and again the PnR sets many complain about are not that). The idea that he doesn't make the team better, or that guys like Jackson play better without him, at least have the decency to look up the numbers instead of just repeating over and over again that the eye test is never wrong. If his teammates could hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher he'd probably have 9 assists a game, many of which are dunks and 3s and thus really valuable assists at that. I mean we have wings who can't make basic entry passes to Ayton from the side angles with a moving defender shielded off, and people are blaming the dude commanding a double team because he dribbled it off his foot or because he gets too aggressive when the lead balloons. The team has problems. Booker is one of the very, very smallest ones.

He's not really an elite shooter this year (or any year really) as his TS% is still around league average. Curry and Harden are so elite at offense...Curry is over 66% TS% and Harden over 62%, that yes, their offense really overcomes their D.

Booker's never really did until this year, where he is up to 114th in overall RPM, up from 237 last year.

He has actually dropped to 2nd in ORPM among SGs behind Lou Williams and 11th in SG in RPM, so his defense combined with offense, puts him slightly above and avg starting SG if you are going to use RPM. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

George actually is rated higher on RPM than Curry because he is 9th on ORPM and 9th on DRPM, so he is 2nd in overall RPM behind Harden.

Harden and Curry are neutral defenders...DRPM of -.17 and -.09. Booker is -2.53

[thamadkant]

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard or either..

Would be the ideal star wing the Suns would love to have.

Then surrounded by the "B" tier wings like Bridges, Jackson and Oubre and even Warren... Basically the support wings


Then Ayton.... Who should be getting the Duncan treatment offensively. As in the ball goes through him foremost... Inside out. Just like how the spurs have done. Prime spurs the same team that beat the Suns would be ideal against the warriors today... Maybe an additional wing defender next to Bowen to help with depth... Imagine Bowen and Danny Green on that Spurs team... Heck.. Kawhi with prime Ginobili, Parker and Duncan would be insane.


My point is...

Booker's a heck of a scorer.... He's got enough ways to launch a shot to average 30ppg... But he is making bad decisions or plays on the court as of late. As he is trying to play like Harden. Sure he averages 7 assists but the ball sticks to his hand until the last second where he kicks it off to the person he thinks will get him the assists.

This is Anti Nash... Or even Kidd... Who would have averaged 15 assists each of they were more selective in who and when they pass the ball to.


Booker is a poor facilitator of the ball.. As in he doesn't move his team mates around the court like a proper PG would. Heck Harden doesn't do that either... I feel that Harden, as skilled of a passer as he is, is not a proper play maker. But Harden is a much craftier offensive player than Booker and that's a big a difference.


And I would hate the Suns to follow the Rockets anyways. I respect Harden but their team relies on him so much. It's not an ideal recipe for a proper team. Obviously they have Chris Paul and hence he is the key to them winning a ring.



Back to Booker.

I would say outside of scoring ability... As in arsenal of ways to get a shot up, he is elite. But I think D'Angelo Russell is a better overall player. Watching him... He has better play making instincts and a better ball and player manager... And he's a more efficient shooter... Surprisingly since Booker is suppose to be the sharp shooter... But again Booker's mediocre shooting percentages is due to his poor court decision making.

Let's call a spade a spade... NETS we're predicted to be one of the bottom teams and one team Suns would annihilate based on talent alone. But that team is winning games and susprisingly vet fun to watch.... And Its because their PG rotation is very good in managing players on the court with them. Dinwiddie is a perfect sixth man type PG and Russell is an excellent Combo guard.


Hence I'm surprise some Suns fans think Russell will hit the free agency. Nets will max him in the off season... And they should. They need to add in front court players and upgrade the shooting and they will continue to be decent out east.

[AtheJ415]

I don’t think Booker will ever become the defensive player that George is. And right now, George plays within the system and contributes to winning basketball on both ends of the court more so than Booker.

When was the last time a player who is the worst in the league defensively at his position ended up becoming even an average defensive later on? And no, not Harden or Curry because both were vastly better defensively even early in their careers than Booker has been.

This is the old 2-way player argument, which basically just means "best offensive player amongst defenders". It is faulty, because to take your example, George is not a better player than Curry or Harden, who are still negatives on defense relative to George's strong defensive skills. There's a reason Jimmy Butler and PG13 aren't leading teams to titles. Kawhi is really the only true 2 way player who is an MVP candidate these days. Lebron has not exactly been a stellar defender except when he chooses to be. Same with Westbrook for the past few years.

Also, Booker has a whopping 6 years (6 full seasons and offseasons), to be where George is. Even if you wanted to argue George is better on offense, which would be highly debatable, how good is Booker going to be in 6 freaking years, particularly when he transitions to a more traditional SG role or gets more experience in the combo guard role? George is the better player now no question, but why should we be expecting our 22 year old SG who is playing out of position, for a new coach, and is in year 1 of running an offense, to be outperforming 28 year old superstars in their primes? Book is the #1 SG in the NBA in ORPM (Harden is listed as a PG). That is really damn good for a dude on a team with no shooting overall, a rookie coach, and having to handle the ball and setup others for the 1st time at age 22. 0 other dudes can do that. Donovan Mitchell struggles to even set up his GOOD shooting teammates enough to get a few assists a game with a proven and fantastic coach, and most consider him a future star. Why is Book being held to that high a standard? Is it because of the contract? If so, let's see where he is halfway through it, because a long-term deal is given based on EXPECTED performance OVER THE LIFE of the contract. It's not meant to mean Book has to perform like that, and even if it was to be read that way, the extension kicks in next year.

I just find it ridiculous the extent of the overexaggeration of Book's supposed struggles on here. He's having to run the entire offense for a team with 1 guy who shoots from the perimeter consistently in the lineup with him most of the time, and he's doing it at an elite level. Yes, his D is awful. Yes, his 3 point shooting has fallen off this year. But his overall shooting is still elite because he's finishing around the hoop, and his passing is world's better, as is his playmaking particularly with his left hand. The idea that he just needs to work harder when he basically learned how to run this entire offense in 1 offseason, has battled a ton of injuries, and has improved markedly as a passer (with both hands), and finishing around the hoop, is just crazy. It took TJ 5 years to learn to shoot a 3. There are issues with Book. He isn't perfect. But he very clearly works his ass off and is a better player today than he was a year ago, and he's way ahead of a ton of current MVP candidates and all stars at the same respective age.

If people are going to criticize him on here a ton, at least do it accurately. He does SUCK at defense--he does go into hero mode down the stretch of games (though not often during games, and again the PnR sets many complain about are not that). The idea that he doesn't make the team better, or that guys like Jackson play better without him, at least have the decency to look up the numbers instead of just repeating over and over again that the eye test is never wrong. If his teammates could hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher he'd probably have 9 assists a game, many of which are dunks and 3s and thus really valuable assists at that. I mean we have wings who can't make basic entry passes to Ayton from the side angles with a moving defender shielded off, and people are blaming the dude commanding a double team because he dribbled it off his foot or because he gets too aggressive when the lead balloons. The team has problems. Booker is one of the very, very smallest ones.

He's not really an elite shooter this year (or any year really) as his TS% is still around league average. Curry and Harden are so elite at offense...Curry is over 66% TS% and Harden over 62%, that yes, their offense really overcomes their D.

Booker's never really did until this year, where he is up to 114th in overall RPM, up from 237 last year.

He has actually dropped to 2nd in ORPM among SGs behind Lou Williams and 11th in SG in RPM, so his defense combined with offense, puts him slightly above and avg starting SG if you are going to use RPM. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

George actually is rated higher on RPM than Curry because he is 9th on ORPM and 9th on DRPM, so he is 2nd in overall RPM behind Harden.

Harden and Curry are neutral defenders...DRPM of -.17 and -.09. Booker is -2.53

League average at that volume is elite. It's all relative. You look at the #s he puts up at volume and then sort by TS% and he is alone with only MVP candidates. That is the point of carrying an offense. You cannot judge efficiency in a vacuum. Sort by Book's PPG, Rebounds, Assists, and TS% as bottoms, and combine assist % relative to usage. It's like him and Lebron and Harden. At 22. What are we doing here blasting the dude in all honesty?

Also, Harden and Curry are still negative defenders, not neutral. And I bet their numbers on this team instead of having Capela and Tucker in Houston or Draymond and Durant and Klay in GS would make those look quite a bit worse. Regardless, Harden at 22 had an OBPM worse than Book's and a DBPM of -1.1, so decently negative. His career WS's on offense are 4 times what they are on defense. For Curry he has a DBPM of -2, and at 22 was barely a neutral league player. I'd argue Booker is ahead of where Curry was at 22, and arguably ahead of Harden as well at 22, but his is debatable.

[bwgood77]

This is the old 2-way player argument, which basically just means "best offensive player amongst defenders". It is faulty, because to take your example, George is not a better player than Curry or Harden, who are still negatives on defense relative to George's strong defensive skills. There's a reason Jimmy Butler and PG13 aren't leading teams to titles. Kawhi is really the only true 2 way player who is an MVP candidate these days. Lebron has not exactly been a stellar defender except when he chooses to be. Same with Westbrook for the past few years.

Also, Booker has a whopping 6 years (6 full seasons and offseasons), to be where George is. Even if you wanted to argue George is better on offense, which would be highly debatable, how good is Booker going to be in 6 freaking years, particularly when he transitions to a more traditional SG role or gets more experience in the combo guard role? George is the better player now no question, but why should we be expecting our 22 year old SG who is playing out of position, for a new coach, and is in year 1 of running an offense, to be outperforming 28 year old superstars in their primes? Book is the #1 SG in the NBA in ORPM (Harden is listed as a PG). That is really damn good for a dude on a team with no shooting overall, a rookie coach, and having to handle the ball and setup others for the 1st time at age 22. 0 other dudes can do that. Donovan Mitchell struggles to even set up his GOOD shooting teammates enough to get a few assists a game with a proven and fantastic coach, and most consider him a future star. Why is Book being held to that high a standard? Is it because of the contract? If so, let's see where he is halfway through it, because a long-term deal is given based on EXPECTED performance OVER THE LIFE of the contract. It's not meant to mean Book has to perform like that, and even if it was to be read that way, the extension kicks in next year.

I just find it ridiculous the extent of the overexaggeration of Book's supposed struggles on here. He's having to run the entire offense for a team with 1 guy who shoots from the perimeter consistently in the lineup with him most of the time, and he's doing it at an elite level. Yes, his D is awful. Yes, his 3 point shooting has fallen off this year. But his overall shooting is still elite because he's finishing around the hoop, and his passing is world's better, as is his playmaking particularly with his left hand. The idea that he just needs to work harder when he basically learned how to run this entire offense in 1 offseason, has battled a ton of injuries, and has improved markedly as a passer (with both hands), and finishing around the hoop, is just crazy. It took TJ 5 years to learn to shoot a 3. There are issues with Book. He isn't perfect. But he very clearly works his ass off and is a better player today than he was a year ago, and he's way ahead of a ton of current MVP candidates and all stars at the same respective age.

If people are going to criticize him on here a ton, at least do it accurately. He does SUCK at defense--he does go into hero mode down the stretch of games (though not often during games, and again the PnR sets many complain about are not that). The idea that he doesn't make the team better, or that guys like Jackson play better without him, at least have the decency to look up the numbers instead of just repeating over and over again that the eye test is never wrong. If his teammates could hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher he'd probably have 9 assists a game, many of which are dunks and 3s and thus really valuable assists at that. I mean we have wings who can't make basic entry passes to Ayton from the side angles with a moving defender shielded off, and people are blaming the dude commanding a double team because he dribbled it off his foot or because he gets too aggressive when the lead balloons. The team has problems. Booker is one of the very, very smallest ones.

He's not really an elite shooter this year (or any year really) as his TS% is still around league average. Curry and Harden are so elite at offense...Curry is over 66% TS% and Harden over 62%, that yes, their offense really overcomes their D.

Booker's never really did until this year, where he is up to 114th in overall RPM, up from 237 last year.

He has actually dropped to 2nd in ORPM among SGs behind Lou Williams and 11th in SG in RPM, so his defense combined with offense, puts him slightly above and avg starting SG if you are going to use RPM. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

George actually is rated higher on RPM than Curry because he is 9th on ORPM and 9th on DRPM, so he is 2nd in overall RPM behind Harden.

Harden and Curry are neutral defenders...DRPM of -.17 and -.09. Booker is -2.53

League average at that volume is elite. It's all relative. You look at the #s he puts up at volume and then sort by TS% and he is alone with only MVP candidates. That is the point of carrying an offense. You cannot judge efficiency in a vacuum. Sort by Book's PPG, Rebounds, Assists, and TS% as bottoms, and combine assist % relative to usage. It's like him and Lebron and Harden. At 22. What are we doing here blasting the dude in all honesty?

Also, Harden and Curry are still negative defenders, not neutral. And I bet their numbers on this team instead of having Capela and Tucker in Houston or Draymond and Durant and Klay in GS would make those look quite a bit worse. Regardless, Harden at 22 had an OBPM worse than Book's and a DBPM of -1.1, so decently negative. His career WS's on offense are 4 times what they are on defense. For Curry he has a DBPM of -2, and at 22 was barely a neutral league player. I'd argue Booker is ahead of where Curry was at 22, and arguably ahead of Harden as well at 22, but his is debatable.

I'm not saying that TS% at that volume isn't elite, but guys like Harden and Curry are so high volume on such insane efficiency, that it severely outweighs their bad D, whereas, high volume on avg efficiency, while still putting you at a nice place in offensive ratings, won't be enough to vastly outweigh your defensive deficiencies if you are really bad at defense, of course certainly not enough to put you ahead of a guy like Paul George who is actually really good on both sides (still ranks ahead of Booker just on offense - 9th as opposed to 17th).

But, for his age, he is very high, even on overall RPM including his D...the only younger guys above him I believe are Fox, Doncic, Jarrett Allen and Tatum.