The case for Igor's new system

[Saberestar]

I will define the word of insanity since many people don't seem to know the real definition.

"the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness." = Igor at this point.

Running an offense instead of no offense like in previous years may take some time for young guys to learn, but it will work better in the long run. Our ball movement has been better than it has in years. This system also helped lead a small country to win eurocup...now they had a lot of veteran players so they were not so raw, but once the players learn the system.

Knowledgeable people around the NBA consider him a tactician and offensive genius.

When the ball movement breaks down due to iso, and the system stops while players watch iso, that is when the system gets bad. And the pick n roll with Ayton still needs a lot of work with screens and rolling hard. In time if the ball movement continues and the pick n roll is better executed like Igor wants, it will look beautiful and somewhat like the D'Antoni offense with a little more movement up top to confuse defenses.

The problem is we don't have Nash like D'Antoni did...or even a capable PG.

My apologies, I am just a lifelong Suns fan dating back to the early 70's, I am sorry if my UN-knowledgeable self disagrees with you and said people around the NBA regarding Koko, but what is not debatable is this IS THE WORST SUNS TEAM IN HISTORY, and he has not and is not doing anything to change that, except run the same system that is not working.

It's also the youngest team in history with the 3rd toughest schedule to date. What team with all the rotation players 25 or under (only 2 at 25, one at 23 and everyone else 22 or younger outside of Crawford). Half of our rotation are rookies including 3 starters.

I'm a lifelong Suns fan as well. We've had worse seasons with vets, drug scandals, even last year was worse. We had a better record at halfway point but had one of the easiest schedules in the NBA. I kept saying we will be hard pressed to win much in the 2nd half due to the schedule and we won 6 games.

I think that this it is not an acceptable excuse at this point for the FO.

We are young because we tried to win with a veteran team (or at least not really young) and we were as bad as we are now.

We made bad decisions during the lasf few years because of McD/Sarver (a lot of them this last summer) and that is why it does not matter if our roster is a young or veteran roster.

We had on our roster Canaan (27), Ariza (33) and Chandler (36) and we start the season something like 2W-10L.

AFTER knowing that our team is pretty bad we decided to go young again, and we have replaced those three players in the rotation with Melton (20), Oubre (23) and Holmes (25).

And we sat Ryan Anderson (30) because he is terrible. IDK how they even give him the starting role at first, were they not watching
him in training camp/practices? Ridiculous.

At the end of the day it is all about taking good decisions and nailing the signings.

Hopefully James Jones is better than McDonough.

[bwgood77]

My apologies, I am just a lifelong Suns fan dating back to the early 70's, I am sorry if my UN-knowledgeable self disagrees with you and said people around the NBA regarding Koko, but what is not debatable is this IS THE WORST SUNS TEAM IN HISTORY, and he has not and is not doing anything to change that, except run the same system that is not working.

It's also the youngest team in history with the 3rd toughest schedule to date. What team with all the rotation players 25 or under (only 2 at 25, one at 23 and everyone else 22 or younger outside of Crawford). Half of our rotation are rookies including 3 starters.

I'm a lifelong Suns fan as well. We've had worse seasons with vets, drug scandals, even last year was worse. We had a better record at halfway point but had one of the easiest schedules in the NBA. I kept saying we will be hard pressed to win much in the 2nd half due to the schedule and we won 6 games.

I think that this it is not an acceptable excuse at this point for the FO.

We are young because we tried to win with a veteran team (or at least not really young) and we were as bad as we are now.

We made bad decisions during the lasf few years because of McD/Sarver (a lot of them this last summer) and that is why it does not matter if our roster is a young or veteran roster.

We had on our roster Canaan (27), Ariza (33) and Chandler (36) and we start the season something like 2W-10L.

AFTER knowing that our team is pretty bad we decided to go young again, and we have replaced those three players in the rotation with Melton (20), Oubre (23) and Holmes (25).

And we sat Ryan Anderson (30) because he is terrible. IDK how they even give him the starting role at first, were they not watching
him in training camp/practices? Ridiculous.

At the end of the day it is all about taking good decisions and nailing the signings.

Hopefully James Jones is better than McDonough.

Yeah, bad signings, bad roster balance...I'm just saying that as we stand today, a roster with the oldest rotation guys outside of Crawford (who is overall terrible) are 25 (Holmes/Warren) and then the next oldest is 23 (Oubre) and everyone else 22 or younger.

A team comprised of what we are today is never going to win too much, or be too competitive every night in a league this tough....the entire west has veteran laden teams, half of which have an all star and some with more than one.

[lilfishi22]

We are behind in our rebuild (which started years ago) but that's far more about bad front office management (signings, draft picks, trades) as you guys have already alluded too. So while this is the first year we SHOULD have expected significant improvement, the roster moves we did make (Ariza) has been as much of a step back as the moves we didn't make (still not PG after a year).

Given where we are roster wise, I don't really care about the W-L record because a team in the midst of rebuilding (which we unfortunately still are in) are judged not on wins but by internal improvement and development. You can't expect a super young team with 3 rookies in the starting 5 to win many games against an NBA team, even if one of those starting 5 is a really good offensive player. I've seen development and internal improvement from this team and that's what I expect. We've hit some bumps but we're slowly but surely improving.

[Archx]

It's also the youngest team in history with the 3rd toughest schedule to date. What team with all the rotation players 25 or under (only 2 at 25, one at 23 and everyone else 22 or younger outside of Crawford). Half of our rotation are rookies including 3 starters.

I'm a lifelong Suns fan as well. We've had worse seasons with vets, drug scandals, even last year was worse. We had a better record at halfway point but had one of the easiest schedules in the NBA. I kept saying we will be hard pressed to win much in the 2nd half due to the schedule and we won 6 games.

I think that this it is not an acceptable excuse at this point for the FO.

We are young because we tried to win with a veteran team (or at least not really young) and we were as bad as we are now.

We made bad decisions during the lasf few years because of McD/Sarver (a lot of them this last summer) and that is why it does not matter if our roster is a young or veteran roster.

We had on our roster Canaan (27), Ariza (33) and Chandler (36) and we start the season something like 2W-10L.

AFTER knowing that our team is pretty bad we decided to go young again, and we have replaced those three players in the rotation with Melton (20), Oubre (23) and Holmes (25).

And we sat Ryan Anderson (30) because he is terrible. IDK how they even give him the starting role at first, were they not watching
him in training camp/practices? Ridiculous.

At the end of the day it is all about taking good decisions and nailing the signings.

Hopefully James Jones is better than McDonough.

Yeah, bad signings, bad roster balance...I'm just saying that as we stand today, a roster with the oldest rotation guys outside of Crawford (who is overall terrible) are 25 (Holmes/Warren) and then the next oldest is 23 (Oubre) and everyone else 22 or younger.

A team comprised of what we are today is never going to win too much, or be too competitive every night in a league this tough....the entire west has veteran laden teams, half of which have an all star and some with more than one.

I am just asking myself, why is there still so much negativity towards this team from the fans?? BW is right, they are starting 3 ROOKIES !!!!! That's unheard of. Can't remember the last time a franchise was starting 3 rookies and you would expect them to carry a team through veteran laden teams.

Suns can still add good missing pieces via FA or draft. I mean this team can grow together for the next 2-3 years and if Ayton becomes the center we expect him to be, along with Book and other complimentary pieces, Suns will be incredibly dangerous.

I would also say that Oubre was a perfect addition to the bench. He brings energy and much needed scoring and is not easily intimidated. I would also give a nod to JJ who does show flashes of what he can be someday.

In the long run, i think Suns are just fine but i understand that right now it looks a bit ugly. But ever since Oubre arrived, i think they have became much more dangerous and on a good night, they can beat anyone. As long as Book stays healthy obviously. He is the motor of this team.

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[Frank Lee]

Talent Optimization ??? So is this MoneyBall wannaB's contention that D'Ant is the best at getting the most offense out of the most lethal offensive weapon in the league ? Put Harden on the Suns and we'd see Igor topping the charts. JeebusKriste these stat obsessed pseudo journalists keep creating categories of senseless gibberish. Most of their chit is designed to prompt conversation and debate than show tangible fact. Fn clickbait. Might as well throw some T and A in there somewhere.

I know its a trending fad with all the new graphs and acronymal %s .... but nothing can replace the good ol eye test.






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