Igor fired - New Coaching Search Discussion

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Good find -very interesting. No doubt he has been very helpful to Lillard and McCollum. Lillard playing for the same coaches since he was a rookie probably has also been beneficial. But one step at a time


Still would prefer Monty or a coach with more NBA head coaching experience but Vanterpool seems qualified to be sure. I just hope they talk to Monty whenever. They should have time to fly to Portland and Philly before each series starts for each team.


My guess, this probably means with no Igor, the connection to Rubio and the Suns might be less. Which is okay if they can get Beverley or Collison.

[bwgood77]

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Good find -very interesting. No doubt he has been very helpful to Lillard and McCollum. Lillard playing for the same coaches since he was a rookie probably has also been beneficial. But one step at a time


Still would prefer Monty or a coach with more NBA head coaching experience but Vanterpool seems qualified to be sure. I just hope they talk to Monty whenever. They should have time to fly to Portland and Philly before each series starts for each team.

My guess, this probably means with no Igor, the connection to Rubio and the Suns might be less. Which is okay if they can get Beverley or Collison.

I'd be a little surprised if Monty took it unless he didn't have any other opportunities. Monty did coach Collison in New Orleans.

[BobbieL]

Gambo just said you can't have a young team, players with a young coach. You need a young coach with veteran players or a Veteran coach with young players. He is an idiot sometimes. That makes no sense

Kenny Atkisson in Brooklyn

Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta

What you need is a roster that matches the coaches philosophy and time to implement the plan. And the right players!!

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Good find -very interesting. No doubt he has been very helpful to Lillard and McCollum. Lillard playing for the same coaches since he was a rookie probably has also been beneficial. But one step at a time


Still would prefer Monty or a coach with more NBA head coaching experience but Vanterpool seems qualified to be sure. I just hope they talk to Monty whenever. They should have time to fly to Portland and Philly before each series starts for each team.

My guess, this probably means with no Igor, the connection to Rubio and the Suns might be less. Which is okay if they can get Beverley or Collison.

I'd be a little surprised if Monty took it unless he didn't have any other opportunities. Monty did coach Collison in New Orleans.

Gambo part 2: he was talking to a coach today (not sure if high school, college, AAU, Pro, but "a coach") and he thinks Monty Williams is VERY interested in the Suns job and this coach thinks he will be the coach.


As to the point about Collison - he also coached Aminu I believe. Right now the Lakers and Suns have openings. OKC might have an opening if they fire Donovan. But is that a better job than Phoenix - OKC is pretty much a 6-8 seed with their contracts the next 3 years. The Lakers - well with LeBron and A Max Player, plus LA - thats very good. But its also the Lakers

Truly, MOnty Williams or any coach can come to Phoenix and the bar is so low - the coach would get a ticker tape parade for a .500 season at this point. He might like that opportunity to build this thing.

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[Saberestar]

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Good find -very interesting. No doubt he has been very helpful to Lillard and McCollum. Lillard playing for the same coaches since he was a rookie probably has also been beneficial. But one step at a time


Still would prefer Monty or a coach with more NBA head coaching experience but Vanterpool seems qualified to be sure. I just hope they talk to Monty whenever. They should have time to fly to Portland and Philly before each series starts for each team.

My guess, this probably means with no Igor, the connection to Rubio and the Suns might be less. Which is okay if they can get Beverley or Collison.

I'd be a little surprised if Monty took it unless he didn't have any other opportunities. Monty did coach Collison in New Orleans.

Yeah, that's the problem and why I think that his hiring would be a big win for us... but too many vacancies out there.

We need a coach with experience. I would love to watch other names out there that are not just assistants looking for his first HC job. Call Triano if needed.

I have a bad feeling about another rookie coach because our youngsters are too loose...It is difficult to be tough with players when you don't have a name around the league. Booker, Ayton, Jackson, Oubre...all they need discipline and be more accountable play in and play out.

[bwgood77]

Gambo just said you can't have a young team, players with a young coach. You need a young coach with veteran players or a Veteran coach with young players. He is an idiot sometimes. That makes no sense

Kenny Atkisson in Brooklyn

Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta

What you need is a roster that matches the coaches philosophy and time to implement the plan. And the right players!!

You simply need a good coach and to give him time. Young coach with young players....Sean McVay with Jared Goff...recipe for disaster heh...Jeff Fisher the old vet coach with tons of experience was the better choice right?

A team like Phx, just like their best chance at getting a star is through the draft, is getting a great coach from promoting an assistant in my opinion....that's usually where the great coaches come from. I know you really want Monty and at this point that would be fine. I am still about stability and think we will need it if our players our every going to grow into some really competitive team with great chemistry...you'll never have that changing coaches all the time.

[bwgood77]

Good find -very interesting. No doubt he has been very helpful to Lillard and McCollum. Lillard playing for the same coaches since he was a rookie probably has also been beneficial. But one step at a time


Still would prefer Monty or a coach with more NBA head coaching experience but Vanterpool seems qualified to be sure. I just hope they talk to Monty whenever. They should have time to fly to Portland and Philly before each series starts for each team.

My guess, this probably means with no Igor, the connection to Rubio and the Suns might be less. Which is okay if they can get Beverley or Collison.

I'd be a little surprised if Monty took it unless he didn't have any other opportunities. Monty did coach Collison in New Orleans.

Gambo part 2: he was talking to a coach today (not sure if high school, college, AAU, Pro, but "a coach") and he thinks Monty Williams is VERY interested in the Suns job and this coach thinks he will be the coach.


As to the point about Collison - he also coached Aminu I believe. Right now the Lakers and Suns have openings. OKC might have an opening if they fire Donovan. But is that a better job than Phoenix - OKC is pretty much a 6-8 seed with their contracts the next 3 years. The Lakers - well with LeBron and A Max Player, plus LA - thats very good. But its also the Lakers

Truly, MOnty Williams or any coach can come to Phoenix and the bar is so low - the coach would get a ticker tape parade for a .500 season at this point. He might like that opportunity to build this thing.

Not sure how low the bar is for Sarver...but anyway, a job like OKC or any other place likely gives you a far greater sense of security along with ball players who know how to play nba level basketball consistently....so it would likely not be as challenging either...even LeBron...his iq is so high, if he signs off on you the pressure is not as much on you as it is on LeBron.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What are you looking for as far as system philosophy?

Offensively I'd go with a heavy pick and roll offense. If Ayton is going to develop into a monster it's likely as a super roll man, he has the hands and athleticism to do it. If he develops a 3pt shot then all the better because you can add the pick and pop. Booker is pretty good at running the P&R but they need to add another PG who is also good at it. I also want them to run, it's the suns they should always run.

Defensively just give me a guy who can run a decent scheme and is flexible and not so ridged they never adjust to what's being thrown at them.

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[BobbieL]

Gambo just said you can't have a young team, players with a young coach. You need a young coach with veteran players or a Veteran coach with young players. He is an idiot sometimes. That makes no sense

Kenny Atkisson in Brooklyn

Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta

What you need is a roster that matches the coaches philosophy and time to implement the plan. And the right players!!

You simply need a good coach and to give him time. Young coach with young players....Sean McVay with Jared Goff...recipe for disaster heh...Jeff Fisher the old vet coach with tons of experience was the better choice right?

A team like Phx, just like their best chance at getting a star is through the draft, is getting a great coach from promoting an assistant in my opinion....that's usually where the great coaches come from. I know you really want Monty and at this point that would be fine. I am still about stability and think we will need it if our players our every going to grow into some really competitive team with great chemistry...you'll never have that changing coaches all the time.

End of the day - they need a coach in here for more than one season. You have teams like the Jazz and especially the Blazers - keeping the coach with the core of the team in place, making moves , mostly smaller since up against the cap. But with stability in place, players learn a system and they grow as a group .And even if you add players, since so many of the players know the system, adding a player to the group - eases the transition. Especially if the GM knows what players fit (e.g Jazz adding Crowder and Korver).

So, whether its Monty or Vanterpool or Tibbetts or Coach X (just not Kidd or Lue) - they need time to grow as a group.

[bwgood77]

I just like a spread floor with a lot of misdirection and ball movement with 3 pt shooters and not a lot of dribbling or iso. Of course I got spoiled by past Suns teams in this respect..the D'Antoni offense, etc.

Of course you need good 3 pt shooters and playmakers for that.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I just like a spread floor with a lot of misdirection and ball movement with 3 pt shooters and not a lot of dribbling or iso. Of course I got spoiled by past Suns teams in this respect..the D'Antoni offense, etc.

Of course you need good 3 pt shooters and playmakers for that.

I like that style too and if I were creating a team from scratch I'd do that but with this group I might go another route. Booker is a good iso player so might as well use it and as I mentioned I think Ayton needs to be utilized heavily in the pick and roll.

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[bwgood77]

I just like a spread floor with a lot of misdirection and ball movement with 3 pt shooters and not a lot of dribbling or iso. Of course I got spoiled by past Suns teams in this respect..the D'Antoni offense, etc.

Of course you need good 3 pt shooters and playmakers for that.

I like that style too and if I were creating a team from scratch I'd do that but with this group I might go another route. Booker is a good iso player so might as well use it and as I mentioned I think Ayton needs to be utilized heavily in the pick and roll.

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I think that's fine...like SSOL the Suns with Nash and Amare used a lot of pick and roll but they also spread the floor with shooters and had great ball movement which made the pick and roll effective.

ISO is ok on occasion but if it gets to the point it takes the rest of the team out of it then ultimately it will likely hurt the team long term unless he is maintaining well over 60% TS%, because the rest of the team stays cold. The team that spreads the wealth results more often in the whole team or multiple guys getting hot and in rhythm and it helps chemistry and people always feel better when involved and playing team ball.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I just like a spread floor with a lot of misdirection and ball movement with 3 pt shooters and not a lot of dribbling or iso. Of course I got spoiled by past Suns teams in this respect..the D'Antoni offense, etc.

Of course you need good 3 pt shooters and playmakers for that.

I like that style too and if I were creating a team from scratch I'd do that but with this group I might go another route. Booker is a good iso player so might as well use it and as I mentioned I think Ayton needs to be utilized heavily in the pick and roll.

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I think that's fine...like SSOL the Suns with Nash and Amare used a lot of pick and roll but they also spread the floor with shooters and had great ball movement which made the pick and roll effective.

ISO is ok on occasion but if it gets to the point it takes the rest of the team out of it then ultimately it will likely hurt the team long term unless he is maintaining well over 60% TS%, because the rest of the team stays cold. The team that spreads the wealth results more often in the whole team or multiple guys getting hot and in rhythm and it helps chemistry and people always feel better when involved and playing team ball.

Sure you need some balance, I'm not saying they go full rockets and literally only run iso and pick and roll but I'd skew that direction vs the motion type O Igor was running even though I prefer to watch the motion teams.

Basically go all in around booker and ayton and shape the offense and roster to compliment what they do best.

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What are you looking for as far as system philosophy?

Offensively I'd go with a heavy pick and roll offense. If Ayton is going to develop into a monster it's likely as a super roll man, he has the hands and athleticism to do it. If he develops a 3pt shot then all the better because you can add the pick and pop. Booker is pretty good at running the P&R but they need to add another PG who is also good at it. I also want them to run, it's the suns they should always run.

Defensively just give me a guy who can run a decent scheme and is flexible and not so ridged they never adjust to what's being thrown at them.

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Sounds a lot like Igor to me.

We need consistency. I felt like last season was great to build on. Bummed we fired Igorbut I hope for the best and assume jj is smarter than me

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Watched some of the jj presser. As a general rule I don’t trust people who emphasize and raise the tone of the last word of every sentence. Perhaps childish of me. But I didn’t like what I saw. I hope he proves me wrong but nothing about that presser says “respected gm” to me

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[Ghost of Kleine]

So this may be a bit out there......But do you guys think that IF we are able to land Monty Williams as a coach, and we manage to improve competitively, perhaps even to the point of making the playoffs.

Could having Williams as our coach, along with being much improved, possibly sway or entice Davis to consider our team as one he'd sign with, If he makes it to free agency??

I mean, if he had a good relationship with Williams during his time in New Orleans, is it also possible that our front office could have that as a factor regarding their long term plans for improvement?

Figuring, that if he reaches 2021 free agency, We now have a more enticing angle perhaps?