2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[alamin330]

please no more tyler johnson ever. I'd rather see what Lecque and Harper can do before we give Tyler another chance.
Tyler and Frank for Gordon and DJ Augustin, we can throw in some FRP; whatever they want. Can we trade Tyler for Josh Jackson back. Anything to get rid of him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Any thoughts on the special with regards to Woj and Lowes thoughts on certain teams interests? For my part, A couple of theories that I found intriguing were:

- Dallas likely looking for a dominant or productive big man to put next to Porzingis at center. And that their rebound by committee rotations could be considered an all bench team of complimentary players?

- Both L.A. Clippers and the Flakers are really pining over adding Andre Iguodala. Even though the Clippers already have to of the top small forwards in the NBA in Leonard and George. And the Lakers really have no pieces or assets to really offer for him currently.

- Cavs best returning value for Love could be a protected first round pick and maybe a throw in player at best. ( Shocker there!)

- Jrue Holiday as a potential trade option for Denver due to fit next to Murray? With thrm possibly sending Gary Harris + a filler back?

Any thoughts on his perspectives, Also IF any of those trades were to come to fruition for the mentioned western conference teams, How it could possibly affect our potential playoff aspirations?

[Ghost of Kleine]

How about this after January 15th, IF we aren't getting back on track?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7257114 . We'd send Memphis a lottery protected first round pick as well. And get back a Dallas 2020 2nd.

[Dual]

How about this after January 15th, IF we aren't getting back on track?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7257114 . We'd send Memphis a lottery protected first round pick as well. And get back a Dallas 2020 2nd.

No for me, also Iguadala only want to play in a contender.
But also I think we give too much for half year rental.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't think we make a trade this season. I expect we will simply let Tyler slide off the books, that we will make our draft selection, and that we will maaaaybe weigh the benefit of signing, say, Montrezl Harrell to a long-term deal against the prospect of maintaining our 2021 cap space.

The major cap-compromise I expect us to make this offseason is giving Saric a long-term deal in the $14-15 mil per range, given how crucial his versatility has been to us during this opening stretch. I think we probably retain Diallo, but we might retain Kaminsky, too, if we don't add another big in free agency. Those two would be solid players for a 2020 rookie big to have to overcome in order to be part of the rotation.

I don't expect us to trade Baynes, nor do I expect us to retain him this offseason unless he's willing to take that Reddick/Ariza deal himself. It's really hard to predict what the market will be for him this summer until we see how the rest of the season plays out. If he continues to prove himself as a legit stretch-5, we probably won't be in a position to retain him.

Ultimately, I expect we will essentially move forward with the group we have this offseason, sans Baynes, Tyler and maybe Frank, adding (probably) a big with our FRP, and focus on bargain-bin one-year deals for solid vets. I don't expect we'll land Harrell, though that might be the only realistic player I'm interested in signing to a long term deal this summer other than Saric.

All that conservative prognostication aside, I expect that beginning this summer 2020, we'll shift our focus toward adding a star at the 3 or 4. I think we'll be ready to combine some of our young players, upcoming draft picks, Kelly's and other expiring contracts to make that push. It would have to be someone we like as a long-term fit with Deandre, Booker and Rubio. That might mean we hold off until 2021 free agency - but I expect we'll be prepared for any big opportunity that presents itself...... I just can't see the player to target. Of course, the right target is rarely obvious so far in advance.

So, here's hoping for internal improvement from Okobo, Jerome, Lecque, Mikal and Cam, and to a successful 2020 NBA draft. Because there ain't no significant trades coming this season, I can almost assure you.

[Ghost of Kleine]

How about this after January 15th, IF we aren't getting back on track?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7257114 . We'd send Memphis a lottery protected first round pick as well. And get back a Dallas 2020 2nd.

No for me, also Iguadala only want to play in a contender.
But also I think we give too much for half year.

I of course respect your opinion, But don't you think that package for Iguodala is easily the best that they're likely to get on this market. And don't you think Dallas is a possible contender? I mean they're currently the 3rd seed in the playoffs at 17 -8.

And whilst we give up Oubre who becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2021 anyways, And is quite likely to outplay our price range for him in the market. We address to critical positional issues with really high quality veteran backups. One in Kleber, Who is easily the best possible fit defensively in terms of rim protection and post defense that we could hope for. And then to backup Rubio, Tyus Jones, Who is one of the very best backup point guards in the entire NBA.

And post trade, We'd still theoretically have around 13 million to address our small forward needs in free agency. I'd personally offer McDermott around 9-10 million to be our starting 3/4 ( interchangeablly) And then maybe offer Theiss around 3 million to be our backup 4/5.

You don't think that this roster would be worth that price?

- Rubio/ Tyus Jones/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ McDermott/ Cam.
- McDermott/ Kleber/ Diallo.( resigned).
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss .

I'm not overtly fond of giving up Oubre as well, As I like his energy and Charisma that he brings our team. Also not too fond of givingbup a protected first. However, We are getting back Lees' 12 million expiring, as well as holding onto Johnson's expiring contract. But most importantly, will have addressed two critical positional areas that have been contributing to losses for us all season.

So whilst it may not seem like good value for us on the surface, overall it's the kind of under the radar move that improves us vastly in terms of competitiveness, consistency, and gives us optimal insurance towards potential future injuries.

Lastly, I think you need to ask yourself, Who would provide more for us at a lower cost Oubre at 15 million currently, or both of Tyus Jones and Kleber at a combined 17 million, With what they'd bring to our roster overall. Also important to consider that we may lose Oubre in 2021 free agency to a team that will be willing to overpay once the big names are gone. Then we'd be left scrambling to fill that position anyways.

[Dual]

How about this after January 15th, IF we aren't getting back on track?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7257114 . We'd send Memphis a lottery protected first round pick as well. And get back a Dallas 2020 2nd.

No for me, also Iguadala only want to play in a contender.
But also I think we give too much for half year.

I of course respect your opinion, But don't you think that package for Iguodala is easily the best that they're likely to get on this market. And don't you think Dallas is a possible contender? I mean they're currently the 3rd seed in the playoffs at 17 -8.

And whilst we give up Oubre who becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2021 anyways, And is quite likely to outplay our price range for him in the market. We address to critical positional issues with really high quality veteran backups. One in Kleber, Who is easily the best possible fit defensively in terms of rim protection and post defense that we could hope for. And then to backup Rubio, Tyus Jones, Who is one of the very best backup point guards in the entire NBA.

And post trade, We'd still theoretically have around 13 million to address our small forward needs in free agency. I'd personally offer McDermott around 9-10 million to be our starting 3/4 ( interchangeablly) And then maybe offer Theiss around 3 million to be our backup 4/5.

You don't think that this roster would be worth that price?

- Rubio/ Tyus Jones/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ McDermott/ Cam.
- McDermott/ Kleber/ Diallo.( resigned).
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss .

I'm not overtly fond of giving up Oubre as well, As I like his energy and Charisma that he brings our team. Also not too fond of givingbup a protected first. However, We are getting back Lees' 12 million expiring, as well as holding onto Johnson's expiring contract. But most importantly, will have addressed two critical positional areas that have been contributing to losses for us all season.

So whilst it may not seem like good value for us on the surface, overall it's the kind of under the radar move that improves us vastly in terms of competitiveness, consistency, and gives us optimal insurance towards potential future injuries.

Lastly, I think you need to ask yourself, Who would provide more for us at a lower cost Oubre at 15 million currently, or both of Tyus Jones and Kleber at a combined 17 million, With what they'd bring to our roster overall. Also important to consider that we may lose Oubre in 2021 free agency to a team that will be willing to overpay once the big names are gone. Then we'd be left scrambling to fill that position anyways.

My bad, I'm not use to watch the trades in this site, I thought we were recieving Iguadala and Jones.
Is ok, but as you addressed right now Oubre is a very important part in the chemistry of the team, maybe more outside than inside the court.
I dont know Kleber too much, that's the truth, maybe he is very good.
About Jones, he is a nice backup I agree.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don't think we make a trade this season. I expect we will simply let Tyler slide off the books, that we will make our draft selection, and that we will maaaaybe weigh the benefit of signing, say, Montrezl Harrell to a long-term deal against the prospect of maintaining our 2021 cap space.

The major cap-compromise I expect us to make this offseason is giving Saric a long-term deal in the $14-15 mil per range, given how crucial his versatility has been to us during this opening stretch. I think we probably retain Diallo, but we might retain Kaminsky, too, if we don't add another big in free agency. Those two would be solid players for a 2020 rookie big to have to overcome in order to be part of the rotation.

I don't expect us to trade Baynes, nor do I expect us to retain him this offseason unless he's willing to take that Reddick/Ariza deal himself. It's really hard to predict what the market will be for him this summer until we see how the rest of the season plays out. If he continues to prove himself as a legit stretch-5, we probably won't be in a position to retain him.

Ultimately, I expect we will essentially move forward with the group we have this offseason, sans Baynes, Tyler and maybe Frank, adding (probably) a big with our FRP, and focus on bargain-bin one-year deals for solid vets. I don't expect we'll land Harrell, though that might be the only realistic player I'm interested in signing to a long term deal this summer other than Saric.

All that conservative prognostication aside, I expect that beginning this summer 2020, we'll shift our focus toward adding a star at the 3 or 4. I think we'll be ready to combine some of our young players, upcoming draft picks, Kelly's and other expiring contracts to make that push. It would have to be someone we like as a long-term fit with Deandre, Booker and Rubio. That might mean we hold off until 2021 free agency - but I expect we'll be prepared for any big opportunity that presents itself...... I just can't see the player to target. Of course, the right target is rarely obvious so far in advance.

So, here's hoping for internal improvement from Okobo, Jerome, Lecque, Mikal and Cam, and to a successful 2020 NBA draft. Because there ain't no significant trades coming this season, I can almost assure you.

Great introspection and solid assessments. I'm also not against adding Harrell either IF we stand pat. Although I still think that two of our biggest issues that are or have the potential to be major roadblocks on our road to improvement and sustainable viability are our frontcourt ( * and perimeter defense) rim protection, and of course an actual quality consistent backup guard to Rubio.

Also, I'm not sure that there'd be two better trade options to address those issues that we could realistically get than Kleber, and Tyus. For my part, I'd just prefer to have those two areas of concern covered sooner rather than later if at all possible. Having said that, You may very well be right in that we'll likely just wait and look to 2021. For my part though, I think that's a mistake to bank solely upon our rookies and a yet unknown draft position, When you have two known commodities in Tyus Jones and Maxi Kleber. Both productive veterans with the exact skillsets at positions that are currently our areas of greatest weakness.

I just think we'd attract better potential big name options by becoming a much better, deeper and competitive ( playoff team). And to be honest, I'm just not that sure that our young core as is can make that leap to the next level of being relevant without addressing and/or those critical weaknesses.

But if that's our big plan, I sincerely hope that our front office has a tangible plan to address those issues accordingly. Otherwise, we may find ourselves potentially scrambling for any quality leftover players once all the best options have been signed by bigger markets, And more competitive and thusly more desirable destinations. Just my two cents.

[Ghost of Kleine]

No for me, also Iguadala only want to play in a contender.
But also I think we give too much for half year.

I of course respect your opinion, But don't you think that package for Iguodala is easily the best that they're likely to get on this market. And don't you think Dallas is a possible contender? I mean they're currently the 3rd seed in the playoffs at 17 -8.

And whilst we give up Oubre who becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2021 anyways, And is quite likely to outplay our price range for him in the market. We address to critical positional issues with really high quality veteran backups. One in Kleber, Who is easily the best possible fit defensively in terms of rim protection and post defense that we could hope for. And then to backup Rubio, Tyus Jones, Who is one of the very best backup point guards in the entire NBA.

And post trade, We'd still theoretically have around 13 million to address our small forward needs in free agency. I'd personally offer McDermott around 9-10 million to be our starting 3/4 ( interchangeablly) And then maybe offer Theiss around 3 million to be our backup 4/5.

You don't think that this roster would be worth that price?

- Rubio/ Tyus Jones/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ McDermott/ Cam.
- McDermott/ Kleber/ Diallo.( resigned).
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Theiss .

I'm not overtly fond of giving up Oubre as well, As I like his energy and Charisma that he brings our team. Also not too fond of givingbup a protected first. However, We are getting back Lees' 12 million expiring, as well as holding onto Johnson's expiring contract. But most importantly, will have addressed two critical positional areas that have been contributing to losses for us all season.

So whilst it may not seem like good value for us on the surface, overall it's the kind of under the radar move that improves us vastly in terms of competitiveness, consistency, and gives us optimal insurance towards potential future injuries.

Lastly, I think you need to ask yourself, Who would provide more for us at a lower cost Oubre at 15 million currently, or both of Tyus Jones and Kleber at a combined 17 million, With what they'd bring to our roster overall. Also important to consider that we may lose Oubre in 2021 free agency to a team that will be willing to overpay once the big names are gone. Then we'd be left scrambling to fill that position anyways.

My bad, I'm not use to watch the trades in this site, I thought we were recieving Iguadala and Jones.
Is ok, but as you addressed right now Oubre is a very important part in the chemistry of the team, maybe more outside than inside the court.
I dont know Kleber too much, that's the truth, maybe he is very good.
About Jones, he is a nice backup I agree.

It's totally alright, the trade platforms can be confusing and difficult to use or interpret sometimes.

As for Kelly, He Is one of my favorites on our roster, due to his energy, his charisma, and his confidence too. He definitely adds to the dynamic of our team. He at times gives us an edge to our game otherwise missing at times. But my concern therein is in that we are currently projected to have somewhere in the area of 30- 35 million for 2021 free agency. Yet that same summer we also have Oubre becoming an unrestricted free agent. And he's putting up greatly improved numbers compared to what his averages were in Washington. Meaning to me, that his market value will very likely increase well past his current 15 million per year.

And If that's the likely case, he'd then be commanding in the area of what? Possibly 18-25 million. So taking that into consideration, Would we then be content on sellingbthe fanbase on the idea of our big 2021 free agency move being just resigning Oubre??? And then only having limited remaining cap space anyways with which to fill roster needs? Even IF his market value didn't increase this year or next, He'd still command 15 million. Taking around half of our available cap space alone.

So instead, I'm looking to get maximum value out of Oubre, before he outprices himself from us in free agency anyways. Whilst also fixing two critical issues positional issues that have been absolutely killing us in games.

Now as far as Kleber goes he's a shotblocking savant. and is currently shooting close to 38% on his threes and close to 90% on his free throws.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/klebima01.html. Also he's only making around 8 million on a 3 yr deal.

Most importantly, I love what he'd bring defensively next to Ayton.In addition to his still shooting close to 40% on threes as a bonus.

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And also what tyus Jones would offer as a backup guard to Rubio.

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[bwgood77]

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Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

[lilfishi22]

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Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

It's what ghost does. Posts about trades, likely or not gonna happen, and draft prospects of 2025

[Frank Lee]

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Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

It's what ghost does. Posts about trades, likely or not gonna happen, and draft prospects of 2025

like he has a stack of quarters on the trade machine

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

If it makes you feel better to see things that way, More powerto you. But yes, I think that they'd trade him, Or at the very least strongly consider it. Especially If it meant that they could get a more profound piece or bigger name for the purpose of a deeper playoff run obviously. Also, does it really matter that they just signed him, I mean , He wouldn't be the first player in the NBA to be traded for a different piece after being resigned, Now would he?

Also, it's not like a team can always predict who they might be able to trade for during the previous free agency. Iguodala might not have been on there radar, or available at the time when they chose to resign Kleber. Teams constantly grow, progress and contemplate roster changes,
As evidenced by the very trade periods that we're currently in the midst of. So again, they may at the time have chosen to resign him for added roster depth, Or even to fill a roster need, who knows outside of their own front office really? Would you say that those scenarios never happen in the NBA too? And with respect to your point of " Just make a trade to make a trade." Inferring that my trade proposals lack contextual thought or substance.

Did I not fully explain my motives for the trade in full detail, True to my habitual tendencies? If there's one thing you know about me man, it's that I don't spare the details of my posts. So then, which part of those players actually address two areas of weakness for us( as mentioned in my previous post) , does not align with having a purpose. What part of adding those players would not benefit our overall roster, As well as give us better insurance against any more potential injuries is indicativeof lackingbany purpose?

Obviously, All kinds of trades are proposed for varying reasons too on a discussion forum. And players are even sometimes traded for a better fitting piece in interest of a longer playoff duration and increased revenue from time to time as well. So please, Help me understand why it is that some of you are getting so very salty or triggered by my hypothetical proposals anyways. Is this not also in part a trade discussion forum?


It's cool for you or anyone else to not agree with my proposal and hopefully list tangible reasons. But to insinuate that I post trade proposals for no reason at all other than to create posts with no purpose or merit is a pretty poor assumption honestly, Just because you may have a difference of opinion or perspective. Especially when all anyone has to do is read the context to see my reasoning behind it. Ultimately, As far as I'm aware, None of us can 100% accurately fully prognosticate what a team or front office will do in interest of potential improvement and playoff revenue, Can we?

So with that being said, Thank you for your reply and also for sharing your perspective man.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

It's what ghost does. Posts about trades, likely or not gonna happen, and draft prospects of 2025

Yes, We all have our interests on here don't we....lol.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Why would Dallas trade Kleber? They just signed him.

You REALLY want to just make a trade to make a trade don't you?

It's what ghost does. Posts about trades, likely or not gonna happen, and draft prospects of 2025

like he has a stack of quarters on the trade machine

Maybe! And don't think that I don't appreciate you cashing in your social security check so I could play more!

But all joking aside!
It's Still better than sitting around waiting to hear complaining about our losses on game nights( myself included) also waiting for the poor attempts at clever quips from people who having nothing else than that or sarcasm to add to the discussion due to lack of creativity. I find it sad that some choose to be so triggered or judgemental, Simply from coming across mere hypothetical posts about ways to improve our team. Particularly if it doesn't fit someone's narrative. After all, I'm just adding some variety to the somewhat predictable milktoast discussions sometimes is a good thing.

[alamin330]

Season starts tomorrow.

[Wilber85]

Side note : kevin love sucks. I dont want him on this team

[Mjee]

Give me Danilo Gallinari!!!!