Officiating

[darmani]

And let’s not forget when Oubre stole the ball and got on a fast break and a lakers player (kuzma, If I recall), tried to intentionally foul him to stop the fast break right in front of the ref and nothing was called! Lol. I think Kuzma even got mad about it

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[MathiasPW]

Don't the refs get 'graded' each game ?

Perhaps its time to do some public grading. We know who is who on every crew. We have video from practically every play. The only constraint is time to amass the data AND the validation (proof). I am assuming this is sort of what the league does. These refs are not mystery men. Given the effort, there could be a data base created with the 'correct', the 'incorrrect', and the 'No' call statistics of each and every ref/crew.

otherwise, it just become a white noise whine from the fan base.

Like a PFF but for officials? I don’t have the time or desire, but that sounds like a great idea and I’m sure it’d take off

https://refanalytics.com/

[charley barkles]

Don't the refs get 'graded' each game ?

Perhaps its time to do some public grading. We know who is who on every crew. We have video from practically every play. The only constraint is time to amass the data AND the validation (proof). I am assuming this is sort of what the league does. These refs are not mystery men. Given the effort, there could be a data base created with the 'correct', the 'incorrrect', and the 'No' call statistics of each and every ref/crew.

otherwise, it just become a white noise whine from the fan base.

Like a PFF but for officials? I don’t have the time or desire, but that sounds like a great idea and I’m sure it’d take off

https://refanalytics.com/

Never knew this existed. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I could see how this kind of analytics could be very useful to a team. Hope the Suns use it!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I listed to the NYK broadcast tonight. Three times they noted how surprised they were at calls that went the Knicks way. In the first half, I thought the refs were jobbing us once again. In the second half, the refs became more balanced, and we even got the benefit of a bad call I thought (when Diallo hit it out of bounds, but they awarded us the ball). Still, it's hard to remember many instances of a broadcast booth talking about the refs being biased in their team's favor.

[SlovenianDragon]

I listed to the NYK broadcast tonight. Three times they noted how surprised they were at calls that went the Knicks way. In the first half, I thought the refs were jobbing us once again. In the second half, the refs became more balanced, and we even got the benefit of a bad call I thought (when Diallo hit it out of bounds, but they awarded us the ball). Still, it's hard to remember many instances of a broadcast booth talking about the refs being biased in their team's favor.

Yeah that's why I LOVE eddie Johnson. He will call out our own players even if their wasn't a foul or anything. He will be like Baynes got away with a shove there.

Now I forget what team we were playing but I had to watch another stream because ours wasn't working but they had the most biased announcers. Like if devin booker got punched in the face they would say he was flopping kinda bad.

I wish Eddie Johnson could narrate my life so I knew what I should and shouldn't do.

'You see this man just spent 10 dollars on gas but if he spent 7.50 he would have enough money to have gas and food. He could use that gas to drive to the McDonalds and order off the value menu. See that's just not thinking you need to plan ahead."

Thanks Eddie ill remember that next time.

[grumpysaddle]

I listed to the NYK broadcast tonight. Three times they noted how surprised they were at calls that went the Knicks way. In the first half, I thought the refs were jobbing us once again. In the second half, the refs became more balanced, and we even got the benefit of a bad call I thought (when Diallo hit it out of bounds, but they awarded us the ball). Still, it's hard to remember many instances of a broadcast booth talking about the refs being biased in their team's favor.

Love me some Clyde Frazier.

[RunDogGun]

This has been going on for quite some time now. It was pretty obvious during the Nash era, and has remained obvious ever since. The only time the refs no calls help us is when the other team is trying to intentionally foul us, and the refs are on their normal game plan. The only way to beat the other teams and the refs, is to shoot better and reduce the turnovers. We are never going to be treated like the Lakers or any other team which has grabbed the leagues favor.

Some people asked about the Spurs, well Holt really helped out the league a while back. I just don't know if the league ever forgave us for the drug scandals of long ago.

So the team better practice their shots and be careful with the ball.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For the record, I don't think the refs were against us when we played Memphis. We may have even gotten the better end of the officiating that game. I'm always a little thrown off when the refs aren't throwing us under the bus.

[RunDogGun]

For the record, I don't think the refs were against us when we played Memphis. We may have even gotten the better end of the officiating that game. I'm always a little thrown off when the refs aren't throwing us under the bus.

It doesn't happen every game. Plus the Grizz shot great from everywhere. It is tough to beat a team when they are out shooting you, even if you get ref help through no-calls. Its just frustrating to watch us rarely get a home court advantage, and the lack of equality when fouls are called. The league needs to step up, and a foul should be a foul regardless of who is committing it. Right now it just isn't the case. Fouls are not called on one end, and then ticky tack touch fouls are called on the other end. Momentum is easily changed when this happens, and therefore the refs are having a greater impact on the whole game.

[sunstrooper]

Biased officiating is one of the two main anchors of the "star system" in the NBA and without it "stars" would not exist as such, but more importantly there won't be revenues for the league and for sports equipment brands like Nike. The other anchor ofc is the media, and the third one is the eternal infatuation of people with superheroes, after whom the "stars" are being modelled. Point is that in a competitive environment of top athletes it is unreasonable to expect so vast gaps in abilities and performance as the league is trying to make us believe. The other point is that without made up "superheroes" noone would watch NBA. Drama (constant trades) and fake "stars", on the other hand, is a perfect recipy for commercial success. I know you love your superheroes, but without extensive ref support, LeClown would be a 8p/5r guy. Some years ago i read an article in hoopshype or something similar, where the author stated totally seriously that he is the best defender in the league, bc he would never be called for a foul and could hit and slap freely his opponents. The tone was suggesting that this is how things are supposed to be. Sadly today's audience is convinced that "stars" are supposed to be called differently from the rest of the players.
The point of having rules in sports as I understand it is to make sure that only skills in this particular sport would define the winner. Today's game is the same as if you put a guy with a sword in the boxing ring and call him the best boxer after he has chopped his opponents in pieces.
Sorry for the rant, just my 2 cents...

[lilfishi22]

I'm a lot closer to buying that star/star team ref bias than I am that we either get the worst reffing in the league or that refs have a vendetta against us which I feel is what some posters seem to think.

We've seen superstar calls and superstar teams getting the benefit of the doubt plenty of times and certainly Booker has become a beneficiary of many of these calls so I buy that certain teams and certain palyers gets more preferential system. What I don't buy is that we get reffed *the worst* because virtually every team has a bunch of fans that cry out the same thing and that statement can't be true for all teams. The fact that we watch the Suns the most and are able to put us and reffing against us under the microscope far more often than any other team, creates a legitimate bias.

I do think officiating against us is poor but it's poor for a lot of teams and it's more of a systematic reffing issue imo than an officiating against the Suns problem.