Drafting Jalen Smith Over Haliburton

Frank Lee · Post #21 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:13 pm

Adrao wrote:Too soon to speak. We don't know Jalen's or Haliburton's roof.

Yeah but one’s on the staircase up and the other seems to be stuck on ground floor.

Smith is slowly becoming next yrs pick

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #22 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:42 pm

58-42 at the half. I couldn't watch the first, but I might can catch some on the second half. I see Jalen played 5 minutes, had 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2/3 FG, including a dunk to end the quarter, +7 in his minutes. I see my other guy Tyler Bey has 12 and 5, 5/7 from the field, in 12 minutes, -1. Agua Caliente (our guy's team) are winning the boards and steals departments = more FGA = why they're winning.

You can watch it if you have ESPN+. https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0d950a33-31c2-48bb-afe9-611fb4e246e1

They just started the second half. Jalen and Tyler Bey aren't starting.

Post #23 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:16 pm

Saddiq Bey would have been a nice pick too. He's 16 of 23 from 3 in his last 4 games...last game with starter minutes he also had 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 3 steals. Previous game he had 12 rebounds and 30 pts in 27 minutes.

Post #24 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:30 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:58-42 at the half. I couldn't watch the first, but I might can catch some on the second half. I see Jalen played 5 minutes, had 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2/3 FG, including a dunk to end the quarter, +7 in his minutes. I see my other guy Tyler Bey has 12 and 5, 5/7 from the field, in 12 minutes, -1. Agua Caliente (our guy's team) are winning the boards and steals departments = more FGA = why they're winning.

You can watch it if you have ESPN+. https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0d950a33-31c2-48bb-afe9-611fb4e246e1

They just started the second half. Jalen and Tyler Bey aren't starting.

I just signed up to watch...pretty uneventful. Did you notice he was standing way to the side of the bench? I only saw him play maybe 2 minutes and barely touched the ball...one short midrange miss.

JohnWall2 · Post #25 » by **JohnWall2** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:58-42 at the half. I couldn't watch the first, but I might can catch some on the second half. I see Jalen played 5 minutes, had 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2/3 FG, including a dunk to end the quarter, +7 in his minutes. I see my other guy Tyler Bey has 12 and 5, 5/7 from the field, in 12 minutes, -1. Agua Caliente (our guy's team) are winning the boards and steals departments = more FGA = why they're winning.

You can watch it if you have ESPN+. https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0d950a33-31c2-48bb-afe9-611fb4e246e1

They just started the second half. Jalen and Tyler Bey aren't starting.

I just signed up to watch...pretty uneventful. Did you notice he was standing way to the side of the bench? I only saw him play maybe 2 minutes and barely touched the ball...one short midrange miss.

They only played Jalen 5 mins in a half?

Post #26 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:35 pm

JohnWall2 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:58-42 at the half. I couldn't watch the first, but I might can catch some on the second half. I see Jalen played 5 minutes, had 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2/3 FG, including a dunk to end the quarter, +7 in his minutes. I see my other guy Tyler Bey has 12 and 5, 5/7 from the field, in 12 minutes, -1. Agua Caliente (our guy's team) are winning the boards and steals departments = more FGA = why they're winning.

You can watch it if you have ESPN+. https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/0d950a33-31c2-48bb-afe9-611fb4e246e1

They just started the second half. Jalen and Tyler Bey aren't starting.

I just signed up to watch...pretty uneventful. Did you notice he was standing way to the side of the bench? I only saw him play maybe 2 minutes and barely touched the ball...one short midrange miss.
They only played Jalen 5 mins in a half?

Well he is brand new to the team, so probably hard to just throw him in there if they've been playing together for awhile. I hope he ends up getting a lot of minutes within a few games though.

JohnWall2 · Post #27 » by **JohnWall2** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:37 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JohnWall2 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I just signed up to watch...pretty uneventful. Did you notice he was standing way to the side of the bench? I only saw him play maybe 2 minutes and barely touched the ball...one short midrange miss.
They only played Jalen 5 mins in a half?

Well he is brand new to the team, so probably hard to just throw him in there if they've been playing together for awhile. I hope he ends up getting a lot of minutes within a few games though.

8 mins all up I see lol. Yep definitely agree with you on the mins thing! Otherwise he's better staying with the Sun's and learning off the vets

Post #28 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:40 pm

JohnWall2 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JohnWall2 wrote:They only played Jalen 5 mins in a half?

Well he is brand new to the team, so probably hard to just throw him in there if they've been playing together for awhile. I hope he ends up getting a lot of minutes within a few games though.
8 mins all up I see lol. Yep definitely agree with you on the mins thing! Otherwise he's better staying with the Sun's and learning off the vets

What was really strange though was that all of the team's guys not playing were on the bench as usual and he was standing way away from them like in the corner behind a little wall like he didn't want to be near those guys. Maybe he is just really scared about COVID or something though that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either being that he played.

JohnWall2 · Post #29 » by **JohnWall2** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:42 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JohnWall2 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Well he is brand new to the team, so probably hard to just throw him in there if they've been playing together for awhile. I hope he ends up getting a lot of minutes within a few games though.
8 mins all up I see lol. Yep definitely agree with you on the mins thing! Otherwise he's better staying with the Sun's and learning off the vets

What was really strange though was that all of the team's guys not playing were on the bench as usual and he was standing way away from them like in the corner behind a little wall like he didn't want to be near those guys. Maybe he is just really scared about COVID or something though that doesn't make a whole lot of sense either being that he played.

That does sound bizzare.....

Biff · Post #30 » by **Biff** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:43 pm

I'm a lot less of a fan of Smith than I was when we drafted him. I'm just skeptical he will be a good rotation piece. His lateral quickness isn't good enough to guard wings and his lower body is embarrassingly skinny. Dude looks like the guys in the gym that just do bicep curls and bench press every day. He is always going to struggle guarding bigs in the post because of this. Lower body and core strength is much more important than having big arms.

He might be a decent stretch big that gives you 18-20 minutes a game at some point. But right now I think it's more likely this guy will be out of the league in 4-5 years.

We 100% screwed up not taking Haliburton.

Biff · Post #31 » by **Biff** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:46 pm

Saberestar wrote:Personally I am OK with Jalen Smith, he had an ankle injury and right after that he got COVID so he has not really play this season.

We need to be patient, he has nice physical tools and is known as a hard worker.

I think Haliburton is starting to be overrated by fans, I think he is playing well but I am not impressed.

We will see, only 25 games into their rookie seasons so it is too early to talk about it...but Cam Johnson was another surprising pick by James Jones and he nailed it, so I have faith in him.

IDK kids is only 20 and is averaging like 12/4/5 on 64% TS%. That's pretty insane efficiency for a rookie. People acting like Haliburton wouldn't be playing because we have Payne haven't been watching Haliburton. Those stats are better than what Payne put up in the bubble, and Payne played completely out of his mind in the bubble. Quite a bit better than he is playing right now.

JohnWall2 · Post #32 » by **JohnWall2** » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:57 pm

Biff wrote:I'm a lot less of a fan of Smith than I was when we drafted him. I'm just skeptical he will be a good rotation piece. His lateral quickness isn't good enough to guard wings and his lower body is embarrassingly skinny. Dude looks like the guys in the gym that just do bicep curls and bench press every day. He is always going to struggle guarding bigs in the post because of this. Lower body and core strength is much more important than having big arms.

He might be a decent stretch big that gives you 18-20 minutes a game at some point. But right now I think it's more likely this guy will be out of the league in 4-5 years.

We 100% screwed up not taking Haliburton.

Deep down this is how I feel too, I just really hope Im proven wrong and Jalen comes along with his development to give some justification to how high he was picked. I mean you don't pass on a great, young prospect who can learn off an all time great PG for Cam Payne, that's ridiculous and I like Cam.

RedIndian · Post #33 » by **RedIndian** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:23 am

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RedIndian · Post #34 » by **RedIndian** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:24 am

Ooh, if he can put the ball on the floor like that...

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Mulhollanddrive · Post #35 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:32 pm

I've been sucked in by Marquese Chriss doing similar but it's still a sign of optimism.

Frank Lee · Post #36 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:13 pm

Guess may be best case with this kid this yr is for him to ball it up in the G league, get his legs back... then contribute some after all star break. Seriously, if the dude can’t take Shanks minutes away.... then ... then... does he become a possible floundering prospect?

Now is not the time to ‘next yr’ anything.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #37 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:59 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I've been sucked in by Marquese Chriss doing similar but it's still a sign of optimism.

Not me. Chriss never moved that fast in his life. What a terrible prospect he was. I think I saw more missed dunks in two years between him and Jackson than I will see in the rest of my basketball-watching life.

suns12345 · Post #38 » by **suns12345** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:29 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:I've been sucked in by Marquese Chriss doing similar but it's still a sign of optimism.

Not me. Chriss never moved that fast in his life. What a terrible prospect he was. I think I saw more missed dunks in two years between him and Jackson than I will see in the rest of my basketball-watching life.

That was a great period in suns history!

JohnWall2 · Post #39 » by **JohnWall2** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:41 pm

suns12345 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:I've been sucked in by Marquese Chriss doing similar but it's still a sign of optimism.

Not me. Chriss never moved that fast in his life. What a terrible prospect he was. I think I saw more missed dunks in two years between him and Jackson than I will see in the rest of my basketball-watching life.

That was a great period in suns history!

Don't you wish we could just go back?

......no......me neither

Stark · Post #40 » by **Stark** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:20 pm

I gotta admit this one hurts a bit because Haliburton would be an excellent fit. Core of this team is Book-Ayton-Mikal and maybe you can say Cam. Even 2 years ago (before Rubio) when we are searching for a PG. If i had to pick a PG for the Suns, what this need team was a high assist rate,smart team player with ability to take some pressure off from Book. Guys like Lowry, Rubio,CP3, Tyus Jones maybe FVV. These players are obviously very different talent-wise but you probably get what i'm saying. You need somebody that can feed the players who can't create for themselves and also good enough to create for himself when Book is forcing too much. For example if you get a player like Rozier,Kemba even Lillard, again different players as far as talent level but still i don't think these type of player are the best way to unlock the potential of this roster. Rubio was a good start for us but as we can see this season CP3 is just waaay better. The problem is finding more old school type of PGs like that is really hard in today's game. You can always find a solid scorer but good scorers are not gonna raise the floor of the core we have.

Now let's return to Haliburton. He was my favorite player in the draft. I thought top picks were too raw. Guys like Hayes and Cole Anthony were boom or bust type of guys. When Haliburton falls to us i was shocked and super excited. He would be perfect for the Suns because he could play next to either Book or Paul. We needed another play-maker for the bench. Exactly the type of a guard i would want to see next to Book-Ayton-Bridges. After 2 years of learning the ropes from Paul we could give him the starter role. Now watching him playing great for the Kings just sucks. He is shooting the lights out, always making the smart play. He is basically PG version of Mikal and we all know how awesome to have a guy like him. Playing this sort of winning basketball as a rookie to me more impressive than averaging 20 points. I think James Jones didn't want to give this kind of big role to a rookie and thought Tyrese was a jack of all trades master of none prospect.

I'm not stupid enough to dismiss Smith though. I still believe he was an ok pick. We talked about this a lot but yeah bigs who can defend the pain and shoot will always be valuable. Also it's pretty small sample size but i'm actually impressed with his ability to put the ball on the floor. We just don't need him at the moment and he will have his chance in the future.

So yeah Haliburton would be a very good pick but i guess we don't have to crucify the FO for their choice. I'm really curious and kinda worried about PG situation for the future though.