Onwards and upwards

[WeekapaugGroove]

What is even going on in this thread? What CP3 test results are you guys referring to?

As far as PEDs, you honestly can't rule ANY athlete out and frankly more guys then we think probably use something. These guys are competitive and if they can get an advantage some guys will.

Giannis specifically. Yes he put on weight after being drafted but he also grew 2-3 inches so that would be a pretty good sign he simply hadn't finished growing yet. It's pretty common in all humans to put on strength when you become an adult.

Again who the hell knows with any of these guys but to just throw out accusations without any proof is pretty weak.

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I wasn't throwing out accusations. I was referring to a wiretap story that said Giannis was dehydrated after games 4 and 5. If Ayton can get suspended for 25 games for taking a diuretic, I was wondering after that story, if Giannis was tested. If he was, what was the result. His injury looked pretty bad, and while there was no "structural" damage, he was clearly up and down throughout the finals.

And I really dislike the idea of, "well all guys do it". It is either against the rules, or it is not. If Ayton can get tested and suspended, so should any player that is violating the rules to gain an edge on competition. It is called cheating., hence the rules.

All I was saying is I'll never have some strong take that anyone isn't using because frankly even the squeeky clean types could be. But I certainly don't also randomly throw out accusations without proof because that's ****.

I don't think there are any PEDs that protect from ligiment tears so not sure where you're going with that one. Hell if there was such a drug they should give to all athletes




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[RunDogGun]

I never mentioned PEDs, I only mentioned the diuretic, because of the dehydration story. So there was a question due to that. It doesn't seem strange that a guy goes from what looked like a season ending injury, month at tops for return, to back within a week, and had three games where he scored the most he had in the whole playoffs, looking 100%.

Just wondering if he was tested for banned substances, thats all. From what we know, it is a valid question and concern.

[lilfishi22]

What is even going on in this thread? What CP3 test results are you guys referring to?

As far as PEDs, you honestly can't rule ANY athlete out and frankly more guys then we think probably use something. These guys are competitive and if they can get an advantage some guys will.

Giannis specifically. Yes he put on weight after being drafted but he also grew 2-3 inches so that would be a pretty good sign he simply hadn't finished growing yet. It's pretty common in all humans to put on strength when you become an adult.

Again who the hell knows with any of these guys but to just throw out accusations without any proof is pretty weak.

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I wasn't throwing out accusations. I was referring to a wiretap story that said Giannis was dehydrated after games 4 and 5. If Ayton can get suspended for 25 games for taking a diuretic, I was wondering after that story, if Giannis was tested. If he was, what was the result. His injury looked pretty bad, and while there was no "structural" damage, he was clearly up and down throughout the finals.

And I really dislike the idea of, "well all guys do it". It is either against the rules, or it is not. If Ayton can get tested and suspended, so should any player that is violating the rules to gain an edge on competition. It is called cheating., hence the rules.

All I was saying is I'll never have some strong take that anyone isn't using because frankly even the squeeky clean types could be. But I certainly don't also randomly throw out accusations without proof because that's ****.

I don't think there are any PEDs that protect from ligiment tears so not sure where you're going with that one. Hell if there was such a drug they should give to all athletes




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Honestly, it looks petty. Petty, straight up

[cberry78]

I heard a rumor that if the Suns had forced a Game 7 that Stern, acting through Silver because we all know he's still the real head of the league, would have brought Donaghy out of retirement (prison?) and he would have been the only ref available.

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[lilfishi22]

I heard a rumor that if the Suns had forced a Game 7 that Stern, acting through Silver because we all know he's still the real head of the league, would have brought Donaghy out of retirement (prison?) and he would have been the only ref available.

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And Donaghy will also be on PED's

[RunDogGun]

Ha, guess you guys are right, maybe a guy that overcame what looked like a serious recovery time of about a month, in a week, played better than he did before the injury, and then just forgot to drink water for five days? Sounds logical.

And in no way this is "petty". I still think we could have won the series, when they had him.

If he was dehydrated over two games three days apart, that is a five day span. It just seems less likely a guy who was under a team of people overseeing his return, would allow him to become dehydrated. Maybe he just drinks a ton of tea?

[enigmatics]

Ha, guess you guys are right, maybe a guy that overcame what looked like a serious recovery time of about a month, in a week, played better than he did before the injury, and then just forgot to drink water for five days? Sounds logical.

And in no way this is "petty". I still think we could have won the series, when they had him.

If he was dehydrated over two games three days apart, that is a five day span. It just seems less likely a guy who was under a team of people overseeing his return, would allow him to become dehydrated. Maybe he just drinks a ton of tea?

...... and he certainly wasn't boozing the night before or sick with the flu like Jordan. So ya, it's very peculiar he'd be dehydrated - especially with an abundance of fluids provided to those guys at the game.

[RunDogGun]

Ha, guess you guys are right, maybe a guy that overcame what looked like a serious recovery time of about a month, in a week, played better than he did before the injury, and then just forgot to drink water for five days? Sounds logical.

And in no way this is "petty". I still think we could have won the series, when they had him.

If he was dehydrated over two games three days apart, that is a five day span. It just seems less likely a guy who was under a team of people overseeing his return, would allow him to become dehydrated. Maybe he just drinks a ton of tea?

...... and he certainly wasn't boozing the night before or sick with the flu like Jordan. So ya, it's very peculiar he'd be dehydrated - especially with an abundance of fluids provided to those guys at the game.

It is more logical that whatever he was taking, dehydrated him, and my question is was it a banned substance or diuretic. It just doesn't make sense that with a team of people getting him on the court, they would neglect him a week later to a point of dehydration over two games and possibly a five day span. And if it was only on games days, it sounds even more crazy.

[bigfoot]

Ha, guess you guys are right, maybe a guy that overcame what looked like a serious recovery time of about a month, in a week, played better than he did before the injury, and then just forgot to drink water for five days? Sounds logical.

And in no way this is "petty". I still think we could have won the series, when they had him.

If he was dehydrated over two games three days apart, that is a five day span. It just seems less likely a guy who was under a team of people overseeing his return, would allow him to become dehydrated. Maybe he just drinks a ton of tea?

...... and he certainly wasn't boozing the night before or sick with the flu like Jordan. So ya, it's very peculiar he'd be dehydrated - especially with an abundance of fluids provided to those guys at the game.

I imagine the Bucks med staff drained his knee, gave him a cortisone shot, and gave him oral prednisone. Those are not illegal and all help with knee pain and inflammation. Prednisone makes you sweat excessively. Wouldn't be surprised he was dehydrated.

[RunDogGun]

Ha, guess you guys are right, maybe a guy that overcame what looked like a serious recovery time of about a month, in a week, played better than he did before the injury, and then just forgot to drink water for five days? Sounds logical.

And in no way this is "petty". I still think we could have won the series, when they had him.

If he was dehydrated over two games three days apart, that is a five day span. It just seems less likely a guy who was under a team of people overseeing his return, would allow him to become dehydrated. Maybe he just drinks a ton of tea?

...... and he certainly wasn't boozing the night before or sick with the flu like Jordan. So ya, it's very peculiar he'd be dehydrated - especially with an abundance of fluids provided to those guys at the game.

I imagine the Bucks med staff drained his knee, gave him a cortisone shot, and gave him oral prednisone. Those are not illegal and all help with knee pain and inflammation. Prednisone makes you sweat excessively. Wouldn't be surprised he was dehydrated.

Very possible, so the question is, was he tested? It just sounds strange to come out after the finals are over, and not during. Did the team hide something during the finals?

So that means a week into the finals, Giannis needed his knee drained again? And if it was from the start, wouldn't the drugs make him dehydrated a day after he started taking them? And if so, he would be on serious fluids from the start, and his crew wouldn't let him need an IV after a game. It just seems like some should get fired if they knew he could get dehydrated, and allowed it to happen mid finals.

[bwgood77]

Man, people still trying to come up with excuses instead of giving Bucks credit. Testing is random..not because players are dehydrated, and that news didn't come out until after the finals. To assume it was diuretic is petty as lilfish said. Giannis is a stand p guy who 99% chance abides by the rules.

I've been accused of me being a mod, giving my opinions on this matter shouldn't be allowed, but I just want to raise the quality of discussion on this and not have people finding some league reason we lost rather than our team making crucial mistakes in the last minute of games 4 and 5 along with everyone playing like crap in game 6, and giving the Bucks credit.

Time to lock this thread due to derailment of the subject matter of thread being "Onwards and Upwards" not whining about things and making assumptions about players and accusing them of drugs.

Sorry your thread got derailed lilfishi. Unfortunate where people go with this stuff.