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NBA FINALS: RD 4 l Game 6- Phoenix Suns @ Milwaukee Bucks l Tuesday l 6:00 l NBC l Bucks lead series (3-2)

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For the love of god can we win game 6?

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Re: NBA FINALS: RD 4 l Game 6- Phoenix Suns @ Milwaukee Bucks l Tuesday l 6:00 l NBC l Bucks lead series (3-2) 

Post#1101 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:34 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Monty and Ayton...what horrible people. Congratulating a team and enjoying playing in the finals. **** and wimps.


Don't do that.

Nobody is saying not to congratulate them, not one. Neither did anyone call DA a horrible person - a weakminded one maybe.


In the end I think most all NBA players enjoy playing in the finals and they thought it was a great experience. The loss hurt and by no means is he saying losing is fun because that would be ridiculous.
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Post#1102 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:37 am

I thought Ayton played admirably overall in the playoffs for a 22 year old in his playoffs the first time. Going up against Giannis is tough. I didn't understand why he was so bad offensively in the last game but I could say that for pretty much the whole team outside of Paul and Payne.
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Re: NBA FINALS: RD 4 l Game 6- Phoenix Suns @ Milwaukee Bucks l Tuesday l 6:00 l NBC l Bucks lead series (3-2) 

Post#1103 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:49 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:No, not at all. He didn't match up with Lebron but Lebron looked to ISO Ayton whenever there was an opportunity to. As for Giannis, it was a team effort to try and stop him and even though Ayton was the primary defender on him, he did an admirable job on a guy that gets to the line with ease.

When defended by Ayton in the playoffs
Giannis: 30 for 62 - 48.4%
Jokic: 24 for 59 - 40.7%
Lebron: 8 for 25 - 32%

Toe to toe when he had to defend 5 of the last 10 MVPs and held his own for the vast majority of the time.


Your take is counterintuitive. If he went toe-to-toe with Giannis, they wouldn't have needed a "team" effort (nor would he have had a near historical finals performance). LBJ had a 114 shot attempts in that series and literally the primary scorer when AD was out. Why wasn't DA matched up with him more? Jokic I'll grant you - he clearly was frustrated in that series to the point he boiled over into an ejection.

He went toe to toe with Giannis when Giannis attacked him as the primary defender and mostly held his own. Nobody LOCKS down MVP level players lol I shouldn't need to say that. But when you're the primary defender, your job is to do the best you can to limit (keyword: limit, not stop) your assignment and looking at the statistics, he mostly held his own. Other defenders who's primary assignment when they were on the floor was Giannis were Blake and Capela. Giannis was 47 for 84 (56%) against Blake and 14/34 (50%) against Capela. Oh Crowder also spent some time on Giannis when Ayton was off and Giannis went 15 for 21 (71%). Bam played him well with Giannis only shooting 4 for 15 (27%) against him. Switches happen often so just because you're the primary defender, doesn't mean you're going to defend 100% of their shots or are 100% responsible for one player's historical performances. My stats show when it was just Ayton vs Giannis, Giannis went 30 for 62.

When it comes to Lebron, Ayton wasn't the primary defender on him. It was mostly Bridges and Crowder. Against Bridges, Lebron was an excellent 13 for 22 (59%) and against Crowder, he was a poor 10 for 28 (35%). Lebron go to the switch on Ayton a number of times and Ayton was also the last line of defense near the rim when Lebron got past his defender. Against Ayton when he was defending Lebron? 8 for 25.

Your question around defensive game plans, why wasn't he matched up with Lebron more? Why does it take a team to stop Giannis (???)....I mean #1 that's a coaching decision and #2 I've said it before, it takes a team defensive effort to limit MVP level players.
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Post#1104 » by enigmatics » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:24 am

bwgood77 wrote:I thought Ayton played admirably overall in the playoffs for a 22 year old in his playoffs the first time. Going up against Giannis is tough. I didn't understand why he was so bad offensively in the last game but I could say that for pretty much the whole team outside of Paul and Payne.


I just want to make it clear I'm separating Wester Conference Playoffs DA from Finals DA. Without his play in the WCP the Suns don't even make it near the Finals. It carried over into the first two wins of the series and then old DA came out to play. In those 4 straight losses he had 8 turnovers, a -4 plus/minus, FG's fell from near 70% down to 50%, foul trouble in three outings (some of that poor officiating), and only made it to the FT line 13 times. Those stats don't even tell the tale of how many times a littler guy pushed him off his spot or sitting there staring rather than provide weakside help.

If the Suns had been the underdogs and the Bucks were the clear cut better team - I'd be more understanding of the "experience" and supposed fun of just being there. Instead, the Suns pulled forward the timeline and were the favorites, up 2-0, then choked away three very winnable games that would've netted their first ever championship banner. He even mentioned he noticed Bucks players literally out there ready to die on the court - well why didn't he if he saw that's what it took?

So his comment struck me as a little bit tone deaf and taking things for granted given the situation, not the one predicted before the season began that barely had them making the playoffs. That's the last thing I'll say about it - I promise. :lol:
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Post#1105 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:20 am

Ayton was arguably the best player in NBA playoffs history heading into the finals. He was not the problem for us regardless of the last couple poor shooting games. Monty, CP3, Crowder, cost us.
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Post#1106 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:39 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Ayton was arguably the best player in NBA playoffs history heading into the finals. He was not the problem for us regardless of the last couple poor shooting games. Monty, CP3, Crowder, cost us.


Mostly Monty if you HAVE to blame someone..but never get there or have this season without the culture he created.

Paul not the problem. Different players each game. Booker in 3 of them, Paul in 1, Ayton in 1 or 2, Crowder in 1 or 2, Payne in first 5, etc.

And Bucks defensive pressure forced too many turnovers from everyone.

Blew some games in crunch moments. Had lead all of game 4 and let it get away last few minutes. Game 5 best shooting game ever for losing team in playoffs.

No one showed up in game 6 except Paul and Payne. Honestly should have played Payne instead of Book more given how well Paul and Payne played together in 2nd.
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Post#1107 » by TeamTragic » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:15 am

Nobody to blame here for that incredible season and a playoff run that was absolutely insane. Booker was out there willing to die on the court.

I have always loved this franchise and now we can finally push forward.

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