Landry Shamet traded to the Suns

[RunDogGun]

Stop your passive aggressive bull. You don't need to express your opinion of me, and then make up crap about my "argument". As a mod, you are totally allowed to have your opinion of the thread, but when you continue to troll certain posters, passive aggressively telling people not to respond, or ignore, is not your job. Your name is listed as a moderator.

I stated facts, and no one has refuted those stats. Trying to say I don't understand % or difficulty of shots is ignorant. Please stop.

I said that Shamet shot worse than Galloway in every category last year. That is a fact. So there isn't any counter to my point. Next I said he isn't a player of need, since he is poor on defense, and doesn't shoot as well as most of our team. Adding a pick, for that, sucks. You and others can think that it was great, that is cool. But stop claiming that my argument is something it is not.

[MrMiyagi]

In other words… we waived Carter, gave away our draft pick, and signed Shamet to a one yr deal.

Great start?

Waive would mean we're o the hook for the $6m he's owed (assuming no one picked him off waivers) while spending another $3.7m for Shamet.

If that's the spin you want to run with, it's not technically wrong but I also don't see why it's a negative. We weren't getting anything with #29 (crapshoot draft) and Carter already wasn't playing as it was so. We now get a player who has played solid playoff minutes on contenders, he shoots the ball well, has a little playmaking chops and can attack the closeout.

Whatever.... knew there would be some semantical waiver math corrections. But this is a one yr rental. The tiny window thinking is evident.

And y’all be liars if you wouldn’t be jockstroking the DayRon Sharp pick... unless of course you are in the Shank camp. Ive like Shamet since his Shocker days... glad he’s here. But there was a couple bigs on the table that look to be better than what we currently have, DA aside.

These FO boys better have some nudge nudge winkers lined up. The pressing issues at hand are going to be hard to correct in Free Agency with this limited budget.

We still need, but likely won’t get a starting PF. We’ll find a back up C, and hopefully retain both CPs.... but there’s no guarantee on that. Guess that’s where Shamet comes in.

There are also free agents who are better than what we currently have.

For a guy who used to hate drafting and waiting for kids to develop, advocating for getting vets, you sure have changed your tune.

[RunDogGun]

There are also free agents who are better than what we currently have.

For a guy who used to hate drafting and waiting for kids to develop, advocating for getting vets, you sure have changed your tune.

To be fair, we finally have a culture and environment where developing young players is favorable. Since that changed, getting a rookie is smart. Before, we had coach changes almost yearly, systems changed constantly, and it just sucked for any young player, unless they had some crazy gift on offense(usually for us) or defense.

[Barkley6]

There are also free agents who are better than what we currently have.

For a guy who used to hate drafting and waiting for kids to develop, advocating for getting vets, you sure have changed your tune.

To be fair, we finally have a culture and environment where developing young players is favorable. Since that changed, getting a rookie is smart. Before, we had coach changes almost yearly, systems changed constantly, and it just sucked for any young player, unless they had some crazy gift on offense(usually for us) or defense.

If we didn't have Saric hurt, I'd agree that developing a young player makes sense, like we did with Smith this year. But when you look at our roster, we needed all 14 of the other guys at various points this season. If we got a rookie who wasn't ready to play minutes when called upon, we'd basically be stuck with 13 useable guys, which isn't the worst problem, but not ideal when you're competing for a championship, and know you'll likely have to deal with injuries.

Shamet has NBA playoff experience, so he's likely better suited to our team than a rookie would be. I don't want to re-open the debate about his shooting, but percentages don't tell the whole story because it also depends on WHAT shots they are hitting, how they get those shots, etc. you need to look at more advanced statistics, who has a better percentage on contested looks? who has a better percentage from more than a foot behind the arc? who shoots a better percentage in the clutch? etc.

Damian Lillard shot 39% from 3 last season, but if you asked anyone who they want taking a last second contested 3 to win the game, Lillard or Bobby Portis who shot 44% from 3....you know what the answer is.

[RunDogGun]

There are also free agents who are better than what we currently have.

For a guy who used to hate drafting and waiting for kids to develop, advocating for getting vets, you sure have changed your tune.

To be fair, we finally have a culture and environment where developing young players is favorable. Since that changed, getting a rookie is smart. Before, we had coach changes almost yearly, systems changed constantly, and it just sucked for any young player, unless they had some crazy gift on offense(usually for us) or defense.

If we didn't have Saric hurt, I'd agree that developing a young player makes sense, like we did with Smith this year. But when you look at our roster, we needed all 14 of the other guys at various points this season. If we got a rookie who wasn't ready to play minutes when called upon, we'd basically be stuck with 13 useable guys, which isn't the worst problem, but not ideal when you're competing for a championship, and know you'll likely have to deal with injuries.

Shamet has NBA playoff experience, so he's likely better suited to our team than a rookie would be. I don't want to re-open the debate about his shooting, but percentages don't tell the whole story because it also depends on WHAT shots they are hitting, how they get those shots, etc. you need to look at more advanced statistics, who has a better percentage on contested looks? who has a better percentage from more than a foot behind the arc? who shoots a better percentage in the clutch? etc.

Damian Lillard shot 39% from 3 last season, but if you asked anyone who they want taking a last second contested 3 to win the game, Lillard or Bobby Portis who shot 44% from 3....you know what the answer is.

I think you guys think I don't like Shamet, that isn't the case. I just don't see a need for him. He isn't good on defense, and just ok at shooting compared to our whole team. I would rather give more minutes to Johnson and Craig/Nader, since they shoot decently, and play very solid defense.

Hopefully Covid won't be the issue it was this past season. Stix and others catching Covid, really seemed to alter their play this season. Saric didn't look the same, when he came back early in the season. I think we can get vets and more youth. Hopefully Stix will get some meaningful minutes, for he just didn't get it from us, and when sent down, that team didn't have an incentive to play him.

But, the environment and culture is very good. The coaching staff really needs to step up player development.

[sunsbg]

To be fair, we finally have a culture and environment where developing young players is favorable. Since that changed, getting a rookie is smart. Before, we had coach changes almost yearly, systems changed constantly, and it just sucked for any young player, unless they had some crazy gift on offense(usually for us) or defense.

You really can't make a difference between a 19 win team and a contender as I already said in another post yesterday. Contending teams prefer veterans for depth. Period. By your logic a high number of these later picks should make it in the NBA being drafted by better teams, which have good culture, while the reality is probably 1/10 makes it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I for my part really hope that Shamet can become our version of a Luke Kennard for us! If that can happen, I'd be really stoked. Also I expect them to keep him, Even if his value escalates in the 2023 market. Otherwise, I'll look at this as a 1 yr rental and an overpay by a slight margin. But am keeping cautious optimism for now.

[bwgood77]

Stop your passive aggressive bull. You don't need to express your opinion of me, and then make up crap about my "argument". As a mod, you are totally allowed to have your opinion of the thread, but when you continue to troll certain posters, passive aggressively telling people not to respond, or ignore, is not your job. Your name is listed as a moderator.

I stated facts, and no one has refuted those stats. Trying to say I don't understand % or difficulty of shots is ignorant. Please stop.

I said that Shamet shot worse than Galloway in every category last year. That is a fact. So there isn't any counter to my point. Next I said he isn't a player of need, since he is poor on defense, and doesn't shoot as well as most of our team. Adding a pick, for that, sucks. You and others can think that it was great, that is cool. But stop claiming that my argument is something it is not.

Everyone has refuted those facts. You are just continuing to flood the forum with the same post over and over. That's enough. It's too bad we have to close threads because so many get annoyed with this stuff, but I guess it's finally time.