bwgood77 wrote: I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 40% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Not sure how a backup PG shooting 40 and 43 is bad...how that translates to your 38% overall I don't quite get but whatever...also our second unit plays entirely different than they did last year because of McGee...I'll take two big men averaging near double doubles every night for slightly less production from Payne
Sorry I meant to edit that. Payne is shooting 30% from 3.
sunsbg wrote:Watched a bit of Chriss in Minny vs Mavs game just to remember the good old times. His hair style has definitely changed, not sure about his game style.
Mavs signing Brandon Knight apparently, my guess next is Bender, so people with nostalgia know which team to watch.
Edit : Mavs have picked George King, Dragan still an option with a 2nd round pick. Mavs desperately need a second unicorn to pair with KP.
Was surprised the Mavs won last night with THAT lineup. Doncic sure does miss a lot of games. (I know you think they play better without him, at least sometimes).
DLo had a horrible game last night though and Ant has been out.
I don't like a player dominating the ball so much. Neither do I buy his fanboys excuse that he's forced to do it because his teammates are really bad. I have seen other posters say Mavs are more fun to watch when he doesn't play because of the better ball movement. This doesn't mean Mavs are a better team without their star. Neither are the Grizzlies a better team overall without Morant, but they still were 10-2 without him and he was apparently booed by his own fans on his return in a loss. Personally, I would welcome both on the Suns, but in a CP3 role of trying to involve their teammates more.
bigfoot wrote:Suns desperately need a bench scorer and facilitator. Must upgrade one of payne or shamet
Payne and Shamet are great, we don't need any upgrade in the backcourt at all IMO.
Cam Payne played very well in the last five games before this one. Check out his raw and advanced numbers in all those games.
Every player is gonna have a bad shooting night here or there. He has had those games (a couple weeks ago against the Warriors and this one against the Lakers) but he is always rock solid on defense and all the intangibles. He is playing aggressive ball.
I saw that you suggested to trade for Dragic or Eric Gordon but those players are WAY past their primes. Dragic is 35, Gordon is 33 and not everyone is like CP3.
It's better to have most of your role players in their prime. The Lakers signed 8 old role players a look how bad they are playing...they are too old, plain and simple.
We have three players over 31, that's enough. If we can get another good veteran for free that would be nice, but I wouldn't trade and lose assets for players in their mid thirties when we are playing amazing basketball.
I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 30% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Well I think both are great in their roles as a backup PG and backup SG.
Payne has been this season ultra aggressive going to the rim and trying to score and that is working pretty well for us as a team. Yeah, his efficiency has gone down a bit, but he creates havoc and puts a lot of pressure on defenses to stop him so he creates space for our shooters (Mikal, Cam J and Shamet) and for McGee.
I am to lazy to find that stat but McGee is scoring a lot on putbacks after Payne's missed floaters and/or layups. Monty probably wants Payne taking those well defended shots because they know that is like a pass for McGee.
Without Saric there are not shot creators in that bench lineup other than Payne so it is nice to have him in attacking mode.
And what about his defense? He was good last year but so far this season he has been REALLY good. Smart and active all the time out there.
Regarding Shamet, I think he is playing his role pretty well and he did a solid job starting for us when Book was out. He is a terrific threat from three, he can get hot at any moment and he is a low usage guy who doesn't make unforced mistakes.
We need to remember that these two players are bench players and they have two All Stars in front of them.
I loved this game for Mikal. started out clanking everything but buckled down and kept shooting, taking closer and closer shots, and believed in himself. I love how Book and CP3 kept feeding him - I mean he ended up with the most shots on the team tn. Great sign for Mikal to become that 3rd option caliber player for us.
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Saberestar wrote:Payne and Shamet are great, we don't need any upgrade in the backcourt at all IMO.
Cam Payne played very well in the last five games before this one. Check out his raw and advanced numbers in all those games.
Every player is gonna have a bad shooting night here or there. He has had those games (a couple weeks ago against the Warriors and this one against the Lakers) but he is always rock solid on defense and all the intangibles. He is playing aggressive ball.
I saw that you suggested to trade for Dragic or Eric Gordon but those players are WAY past their primes. Dragic is 35, Gordon is 33 and not everyone is like CP3.
It's better to have most of your role players in their prime. The Lakers signed 8 old role players a look how bad they are playing...they are too old, plain and simple.
We have three players over 31, that's enough. If we can get another good veteran for free that would be nice, but I wouldn't trade and lose assets for players in their mid thirties when we are playing amazing basketball.
I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 30% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Well I think both are great in their roles as a backup PG and backup SG.
Payne has been this season ultra aggressive going to the rim and trying to score and that is working pretty well for us as a team. Yeah, his efficiency has gone down a bit, but he creates havoc and puts a lot of pressure on defenses to stop him so he creates space for our shooters (Mikal, Cam J and Shamet) and for McGee.
I am to lazy to find that stat but McGee is scoring a lot on putbacks after Payne's missed floaters and/or layups. Monty probably wants Payne taking those well defended shots because they know that is like a pass for McGee.
Without Saric there are not shot creators in that bench lineup other than Payne so it is nice to have him in attacking mode.
And what about his defense? He was good last year but so far this season he has been REALLY good. Smart and active all the timeout there.
Regarding Shamet, I think he is playing his role pretty well and he did a solid job starting for us when Book was out. He is a terrific threat from three, he can get hot at any moment and he is a low usage guy who doesn't make unforced mistakes.
We need to remember that these two players are bench players and they have two All Stars in front of them.
Yeah I'm with you on Payne. Yes the numbers haven't been good but eye test wise he's been fine and the second unit overall has been a positive. I think the 3 point shooting will come around.
But mostly my confidence with Payne comes from last year's playoff. That little mf'r wasn't afraid of the moment and they don't get past the clippers without him. That stretch means a **** ton more to me than 25 games in the fall.
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bigfoot wrote:Suns desperately need a bench scorer and facilitator. Must upgrade one of payne or shamet
Payne and Shamet are great, we don't need any upgrade in the backcourt at all IMO.
Cam Payne played very well in the last five games before this one. Check out his raw and advanced numbers in all those games.
Every player is gonna have a bad shooting night here or there. He has had those games (a couple weeks ago against the Warriors and this one against the Lakers) but he is always rock solid on defense and all the intangibles. He is playing aggressive ball.
I saw that you suggested to trade for Dragic or Eric Gordon but those players are WAY past their primes. Dragic is 35, Gordon is 33 and not everyone is like CP3.
It's better to have most of your role players in their prime. The Lakers signed 8 old role players a look how bad they are playing...they are too old, plain and simple.
We have three players over 31, that's enough. If we can get another good veteran for free that would be nice, but I wouldn't trade and lose assets for players in their mid thirties when we are playing amazing basketball.
I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 30% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Payne is definitely starting to raise concerns! He really needs to figure things out well before the playoffs, Or else we definitely need to move him to a 6th man role off the bench for sporadic scoring boosts until he gets back on track. And we need to target a more legitimate backup guard option.
Tyus Jones of course would be top notch for us. His brother Tre in a smaller deal from San Antonio would be somewhat solid too. Especially if we got back a productive big in Eubanks and maybe Weiscamp as a 6'6 version of Shamet ( insurance policy)? Of course I'd love Jalen Brunson with his Villanova pedigree ( even as a 1 yr option) due to percieved pricetag. But if none of those are realistic for us right now, then why don't we at least consider targeting any of: Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickly, or if we were to deal with OKC - Smith and a first for Kenrich Williams ( Jared Dudley 2.0) and Tre Mann in the deal?? ** We could add a 2nd if necessary, and they could add Muscala or something?
Just being able to add a more competent guard with ballhandling skills that can also actually space the floor ( sorry Payton) could help buy some time to cover for Payne whilst he figures it out?
The other swap idea that I'm sure most of you won't like, But should be solid value and should be considered IF Payne doesn't figure things out soon and continues to really struggle would be:
Payne/ Smith/ 1st for Kemba Walker, immanuel Quickly and Jericho Simms? ( New York had significant interest in Payne during free agency) and the first would be really tempting for them towards any larger trades. Only question is could Walker be better for us in the playoffs in a / backup guard / 6th man role than Payne? They're both pretty close statistically when Payne isn't struggling! But I think getting Quickly back in this deal sways value in our favor a bit. Anyways, theoretically Walker can fill in for Payne, Quickly can be our 6th man microwave scoring option. And Jericho Sims could be our 3rd string big man project that can be mentored by McGee possibly as our eventual replacement for him ?
Saberestar wrote:Payne and Shamet are great, we don't need any upgrade in the backcourt at all IMO.
Cam Payne played very well in the last five games before this one. Check out his raw and advanced numbers in all those games.
Every player is gonna have a bad shooting night here or there. He has had those games (a couple weeks ago against the Warriors and this one against the Lakers) but he is always rock solid on defense and all the intangibles. He is playing aggressive ball.
I saw that you suggested to trade for Dragic or Eric Gordon but those players are WAY past their primes. Dragic is 35, Gordon is 33 and not everyone is like CP3.
It's better to have most of your role players in their prime. The Lakers signed 8 old role players a look how bad they are playing...they are too old, plain and simple.
We have three players over 31, that's enough. If we can get another good veteran for free that would be nice, but I wouldn't trade and lose assets for players in their mid thirties when we are playing amazing basketball.
I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 30% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Payne is definitely starting to raise concerns! He really needs to figure things out well before the playoffs, Or else we definitely need to move him to a 6th man role off the bench for sporadic scoring boosts until he gets back on track. And we need to target a more legitimate backup guard option.
Tyus Jones of course would be top notch for us. His brother Tre in a smaller deal from San Antonio would be somewhat solid too. Especially if we got back a productive big in Eubanks and maybe Weiscamp as a 6'6 version of Shamet ( insurance policy)? Of course I'd love Jalen Brunson with his Villanova pedigree ( even as a 1 yr option) due to percieved pricetag. But if none of those are realistic for us right now, then why don't we at least consider targeting any of: Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickly, or if we were to deal with OKC - Smith and a first for Kenrich Williams ( Jared Dudley 2.0) and Tre Mann in the deal?? ** We could add a 2nd if necessary, and they could add Muscala or something?
Just being able to add a more competent guard with ballhandling skills that can also actually space the floor ( sorry Payton) could help buy some time to cover for Payne whilst he figures it out?
The other swap idea that I'm sure most of you won't like, But should be solid value and should be considered IF Payne doesn't figure things out soon and continues to really struggle would be:
Payne/ Smith/ 1st for Kemba Walker, immanuel Quickly and Jericho Simms? ( New York had significant interest in Payne during free agency) and the first would be really tempting for them towards any larger trades. Only question is could Walker be better for us in the playoffs in a / backup guard / 6th man role than Payne? They're both pretty close statistically when Payne isn't struggling! But I think getting Quickly back in this deal sways value in our favor a bit. Anyways, theoretically Walker can fill in for Payne, Quickly can be our 6th man microwave scoring option. And Jericho Sims could be our 3rd string big man project that can be mentored by McGee possibly as our eventual replacement for him ?
bwgood77 wrote: I don't know how, as much as you watch the Suns, you can think Shamet is great. I could understand solid...38% 3 pt shooter on high volume. Not great but good enough to make a team respect you and give you efficiency from 3...great? No. Good, yes. He doesn't do a whole lot more.
And as much as I like Payne and want to keep both those guys he has been awful this year. 30% from 3, 43% from 2, 38.5% overall, uner a 49% TS% (that's really bad).....and a 1.75/1 ast/to, down from 3.6/1 from last year. And he shot 44% from 3 last year. He was GREAT last year...but terrible this year.
I really don't understand how someone can think Payne is great this year. He's had one great year in 7 in the league. And while I expect him to get better, I am worried overall at backup pg.
If he doesn't get better we may need to stagger Paul/Book/Shamet mostly in the playoffs with minimal Payne.
Payne is definitely starting to raise concerns! He really needs to figure things out well before the playoffs, Or else we definitely need to move him to a 6th man role off the bench for sporadic scoring boosts until he gets back on track. And we need to target a more legitimate backup guard option.
Tyus Jones of course would be top notch for us. His brother Tre in a smaller deal from San Antonio would be somewhat solid too. Especially if we got back a productive big in Eubanks and maybe Weiscamp as a 6'6 version of Shamet ( insurance policy)? Of course I'd love Jalen Brunson with his Villanova pedigree ( even as a 1 yr option) due to percieved pricetag. But if none of those are realistic for us right now, then why don't we at least consider targeting any of: Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickly, or if we were to deal with OKC - Smith and a first for Kenrich Williams ( Jared Dudley 2.0) and Tre Mann in the deal?? ** We could add a 2nd if necessary, and they could add Muscala or something?
Just being able to add a more competent guard with ballhandling skills that can also actually space the floor ( sorry Payton) could help buy some time to cover for Payne whilst he figures it out?
The other swap idea that I'm sure most of you won't like, But should be solid value and should be considered IF Payne doesn't figure things out soon and continues to really struggle would be:
Payne/ Smith/ 1st for Kemba Walker, immanuel Quickly and Jericho Simms? ( New York had significant interest in Payne during free agency) and the first would be really tempting for them towards any larger trades. Only question is could Walker be better for us in the playoffs in a / backup guard / 6th man role than Payne? They're both pretty close statistically when Payne isn't struggling! But I think getting Quickly back in this deal sways value in our favor a bit. Anyways, theoretically Walker can fill in for Payne, Quickly can be our 6th man microwave scoring option. And Jericho Sims could be our 3rd string big man project that can be mentored by McGee possibly as our eventual replacement for him ?
Umm wut?
A 6th man role in which we just have him focus on being a microwave scorer as opposed to primary backup guard. We'd obviously look to fill that role with someone more stable as a facilitator and offensive initiator. I've mentioned a few really good options via trade for that consideration in other posts. BWgood also mentioned Tyus Jones. He'd be great, But if we didn't have the assets to get that deal done, then other cheaper yet still solid options would be: Brunson, Tre Jones, Duece McBride, Jared Butler, Immanuel Quickly is a very underrated scorer and could have playmaking upside. Again, As I mentioned, these are merely temporary options until he can get back into his rythym. I just personally believe that having him in that role as opposed to first guard off the bench may take some pressure off of him enough to help him refocus on what initially made him great in the bubble.
Ghost of Kleine wrote: Payne is definitely starting to raise concerns! He really needs to figure things out well before the playoffs, Or else we definitely need to move him to a 6th man role off the bench for sporadic scoring boosts until he gets back on track. And we need to target a more legitimate backup guard option.
Tyus Jones of course would be top notch for us. His brother Tre in a smaller deal from San Antonio would be somewhat solid too. Especially if we got back a productive big in Eubanks and maybe Weiscamp as a 6'6 version of Shamet ( insurance policy)? Of course I'd love Jalen Brunson with his Villanova pedigree ( even as a 1 yr option) due to percieved pricetag. But if none of those are realistic for us right now, then why don't we at least consider targeting any of: Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickly, or if we were to deal with OKC - Smith and a first for Kenrich Williams ( Jared Dudley 2.0) and Tre Mann in the deal?? ** We could add a 2nd if necessary, and they could add Muscala or something?
Just being able to add a more competent guard with ballhandling skills that can also actually space the floor ( sorry Payton) could help buy some time to cover for Payne whilst he figures it out?
The other swap idea that I'm sure most of you won't like, But should be solid value and should be considered IF Payne doesn't figure things out soon and continues to really struggle would be:
Payne/ Smith/ 1st for Kemba Walker, immanuel Quickly and Jericho Simms? ( New York had significant interest in Payne during free agency) and the first would be really tempting for them towards any larger trades. Only question is could Walker be better for us in the playoffs in a / backup guard / 6th man role than Payne? They're both pretty close statistically when Payne isn't struggling! But I think getting Quickly back in this deal sways value in our favor a bit. Anyways, theoretically Walker can fill in for Payne, Quickly can be our 6th man microwave scoring option. And Jericho Sims could be our 3rd string big man project that can be mentored by McGee possibly as our eventual replacement for him ?
Umm wut?
A 6th man role in which we just have him focus on being a microwave scorer as opposed to primary backup guard. We'd obviously look to fill that role with someone more stable as a facilitator and offensive initiator. I've mentioned a few really good options via trade for that consideration in other posts. BWgood also mentioned Tyus Jones. He'd be great, But if we didn't have the assets to get that deal done, then other cheaper yet still solid options would be: Brunson, Tre Jones, Duece McBride, Jared Butler, Immanuel Quickly is a very underrated scorer and could have playmaking upside. Again, As I mentioned, these are merely temporary options until he can get back into his rythym. I just personally believe that having him in that role as opposed to first guard off the bench may take some pressure off of him enough to help him refocus on what initially made him great in the bubble.
I guess I'm just not seeing the difference between being "the 6th man" and the"1st guard off the bench" lol but it was more of a joke than anything. It reads to me like "take him out of the role he's in to put him in the role he's in."
Don't really see how Tyus, Brunson, or Quickley are coming cheap. And not sure those other guys really make much of a difference.
A 6th man role in which we just have him focus on being a microwave scorer as opposed to primary backup guard. We'd obviously look to fill that role with someone more stable as a facilitator and offensive initiator. I've mentioned a few really good options via trade for that consideration in other posts. BWgood also mentioned Tyus Jones. He'd be great, But if we didn't have the assets to get that deal done, then other cheaper yet still solid options would be: Brunson, Tre Jones, Duece McBride, Jared Butler, Immanuel Quickly is a very underrated scorer and could have playmaking upside. Again, As I mentioned, these are merely temporary options until he can get back into his rythym. I just personally believe that having him in that role as opposed to first guard off the bench may take some pressure off of him enough to help him refocus on what initially made him great in the bubble.
I guess I'm just not seeing the difference between being "the 6th man" and the"1st guard off the bench" lol but it was more of a joke than anything. It reads to me like "take him out of the role he's in to put him in the role he's in."
Don't really see how Tyus, Brunson, or Quickley are coming cheap. And not sure those other guys really make much of a difference.
Lol, I get your confusion then. I just mean in a more simplified offensive role with an actual experienced initiator/ playmaker setting him up for cleaner shots as opposed to him trying to do too much and feeling pressured to create offense and get everyone involved as a 1st guard off the bench. I believe that he's struggling because teams have scouting reports on him and are not giving him as many open ( clean looks/ drives). The defenses are focusing in on him more, and as a result, he's feeling pressured to do too much trying to match his stellar impact from last season.
If we had a more traditional facilitator/ floor general, Then they could set him up for easier offensive sets and get him in a better flow. His usage has been up more and I just think that he's trying to take too much onto himself to carry the bench as an offensive initiator, causing him to overthink everything a bit too much. Change his role a bit as more of a spot up shooter/ pick n roll threat and it should take some pressure off of him and simplify his offensive role until he acclimates to things.
I don't see Tyus coming cheap either, As He's been great covering for Morant during his injury. Which is why I have repeatedly said that I don't think we have the assets for him and suggested his brother Tre Jones in San Antonio, or Brunson or McBride, Butler, or Quickly. Now Brunson wouldn't come cheap either contractually, However recently on the trade board his value was in the first ( mid to late) range. As Brunson is an expiring, and many Dallas fans are not enthused about possibly paying his expected potential pricetag. They also could use some more size and draft assets, as they'd like to be in play for Sabonis or Turner.
Now New York is really sprung on the idea of possibly entering the Simmons sweepstakes and acquiring more assets/ picks to eventually field an offer. Currently they're not nearly as competitive as they had expected to be. And the majority opinion also had Quicklys' value pegged somewhere in the range of a first to a first and a young prospect with upside ( Smith) perhaps?
Now I'd love Quickly personally and think he's absolutely gettable. But I wouldn't at all be opposed to Duece McBride and perhaps Jericho Sims in a deal either as McBride has been exceptional in his GLeague stint. Byt again, I absolutely think Quickly could be had for maybe Smith and a first? As New York would add that to their numerous firsts in a trade offer for either Lillard or Simmons or Whoever. Lastly, Quickly just isn't getting as much usage with Burks playing so well and them also trying to get the most out of Kemba at a higher pricetag contractually. Lastly as far as McBride, Butler, Tre Jones, etc. Their all accomplished floor generals and strong offensive initiators to their credit. McBride- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/knicks-miles-mcbride-posts-g-league-double-double/amp/
So I believe at the very least, they could help take some pressure off of Payne so that he's not overthinking things as much. Payton just doesn't offer much if any floor spacing honestly, So that only exacerbates his pressure to try and do too much. If we had Rome of these other options instead alongside of him off the bench, I believe that he could relax some and be more comfortable within his natural game.
Again, I just think he's trying to do too much getting the bench involved and it's making him overthink too much and not just react quickly like he used to do. Shot selections, drives, etc. Allowing more defensive focus to be placed on him. These players could all help space the floor more and take some of that focus off of him!! Allowing him to adjust and reclaim his offensive rythym and more importantly his confidence again.
A 6th man role in which we just have him focus on being a microwave scorer as opposed to primary backup guard. We'd obviously look to fill that role with someone more stable as a facilitator and offensive initiator. I've mentioned a few really good options via trade for that consideration in other posts. BWgood also mentioned Tyus Jones. He'd be great, But if we didn't have the assets to get that deal done, then other cheaper yet still solid options would be: Brunson, Tre Jones, Duece McBride, Jared Butler, Immanuel Quickly is a very underrated scorer and could have playmaking upside. Again, As I mentioned, these are merely temporary options until he can get back into his rythym. I just personally believe that having him in that role as opposed to first guard off the bench may take some pressure off of him enough to help him refocus on what initially made him great in the bubble.
I guess I'm just not seeing the difference between being "the 6th man" and the"1st guard off the bench" lol but it was more of a joke than anything. It reads to me like "take him out of the role he's in to put him in the role he's in."
Don't really see how Tyus, Brunson, or Quickley are coming cheap. And not sure those other guys really make much of a difference.
Yeah, not sure why a guy like Brunson or even Quickly come up. Why would a team trade KEY cheap pieces? They need those with max or upcoming max deals.
I mention Tyus as a potential replacement for Paul when he becomes a FA only because Memphis has Ja, Melton and Bane...a pretty good guard rotation, in addition to Brooks (more of a pure SG) but the others can all play some point if needed. I am sure most want a bigger name replacement but I don't see a big expensive name being possible even when Paul is gone assuming we pay Ayton.
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Ghost of Kleine wrote: A 6th man role in which we just have him focus on being a microwave scorer as opposed to primary backup guard. We'd obviously look to fill that role with someone more stable as a facilitator and offensive initiator. I've mentioned a few really good options via trade for that consideration in other posts. BWgood also mentioned Tyus Jones. He'd be great, But if we didn't have the assets to get that deal done, then other cheaper yet still solid options would be: Brunson, Tre Jones, Duece McBride, Jared Butler, Immanuel Quickly is a very underrated scorer and could have playmaking upside. Again, As I mentioned, these are merely temporary options until he can get back into his rythym. I just personally believe that having him in that role as opposed to first guard off the bench may take some pressure off of him enough to help him refocus on what initially made him great in the bubble.
I guess I'm just not seeing the difference between being "the 6th man" and the"1st guard off the bench" lol but it was more of a joke than anything. It reads to me like "take him out of the role he's in to put him in the role he's in."
Don't really see how Tyus, Brunson, or Quickley are coming cheap. And not sure those other guys really make much of a difference.
[/spoiler] Yeah, not sure why a guy like Brunson or even Quickly come up. Why would a team trade KEY cheap pieces? They need those with max or upcoming max deals.
I mention Tyus as a potential replacement for Paul when he becomes a FA only because Memphis has Ja, Melton and Bane...a pretty good guard rotation, in addition to Brooks (more of a pure SG) but the others can all play some point if needed. I am sure most want a bigger name replacement but I don't see a big expensive name being possible even when Paul is gone assuming we pay Ayton.
Yeah, not sure why a guy like Brunson or even Quickly come up. Why would a team trade KEY cheap pieces? They need those with max or upcoming max deals.
The Mavericks made a massive mistake in JB’s rookie contract. He would be a restricted free agent if Dallas structured his deal differently. Now, the Mavs risk losing him for nothing in the summer of 2022. Brunson is proving he is a capable starter or sixth man, and the 25-year-old is in line for a handsome payday when he reaches the open market.
Will the Dallas Mavericks bring back Jalen Brunson and Dorian Finney-Smith in the summer of 2022? Fans can be certain they will try, but both players are free to sign elsewhere. It will be something to watch in the offseason. If JB continues his recent play, he will earn himself a lot more money, so stay tuned.
Therefore the premise is to offload what little assets with value they have left ( like us) for draft assets or other pieces they can add to a trade package for the above mentioned possibilities. Better to get something for Brunson in terms of tradable assets that they can package for a bigger upgrade such as Sabonis or Turner rather than possibly losing him.for nothing wouldn't you agree?
As for Quickly, New York is in a difficult situation in that they're trying to really compete too, Yet they're also really struggling. Now they have Burks manning the point and excelling currently. They also have Walker at 9 million that at his pricetag should be playing before Quickly as well. ** Not only that, But they also have D Rose eventually coming back too. And I'd imagine he'd also play before Quickly with them trying to compete. https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/nyk
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/NY/new-york-knicks/depth-chart/ ** In pretty much all of the listed depth charts, Quickly is at best their 3rd rotation guard. With no evidence of significant playing time coming with two vets in front of him, AND the Knicks trying to compete with Thibs there. They have some decent young upside guys, But are trying hard to compete. So the problem is that they just don't have time currently to really develop them properly ( sound familiar)? So why wouldn't they have interest in adding assets (draft assets) to a potential trade package for Lillard or Simmons.
Now, Although I really would prefer Quickly, I wouldn't at all be opposed to walking away with McBride and Sims. Maybe we take back Knox in the deal for additional ( 3rd string) size? But all are feasibly available for the right price obviously.
