Saberestar wrote:What I wanted to say is that Mikal wasn't a positive factor on defense on this one and he needs to be that player for us. He doesn't carry a big load creating on our offense so he needs to make an impact on defense game in and game out.
Bridges hasn't been playing well for about a month. He has stretches where he makes such a huge difference on defense that it makes you forget that he's basically a spot-up shooter most nights on offense. I know he does all the "little things" but he doesn't do the other things. You know: points, steals, rebounds, blocks, assists. He's had all the opportunity in the world to step up and show that he can be more than he is, but he hasn't. From what I can tell, his ceiling and his floor are pretty much the same. All you have to do to neutralize him is close out and watch for cuts. I was really hopeful that he'd take a step forward, because that would have been huge for us, but I'm not seeing it. I see a role player. A darn good one, but a role player nonetheless.
I was also hoping he and DA take a step forward to make this team really great and while there were signs with Mikal in first few games then he reverted to his usual self. Wish he had the confidence of someone like Oubre, who also had better shot-creating skills, which allowed him to average 18ppg though not efficiently. I don't think Mikal scored 18 in a single game in Book's absence when the team needed his scoring. With all the switching, which Mikal probably based on team defense strategy always gladly accepts I think it's clear who's the more important player on D between him and DA. He's not elite as a D stopper being that there are already a few game winners scored on him - on top of my head two in consecutive games in his second year IIRC, one by Derozan and now Morant. All in all his new contract seems fair for a high end role player, contrary to a near max, which some were expecting.
bwgood77 wrote: Well we have the Thunder and the Celtics. Thunder play people pretty tough and I think played us tough last time, and with Ayton and Crowder out, it could be tough. Seems like we should still win but our size and rebounding is really weak with 3 bigs now out...and if McGee gets in foul trouble. We just have to play so small.
OKC will be on the second game of a b2b not that it really matters since they are so young and play a lot of guys. Seems like we should still win, but also they played us tough last time.
Boston, if healthy will be tough to beat without Ayton and Crowder. Would be nice if Ayton was back at least but seems like he might not be back until the game after that.
That Boston team seems to have quit. Too bad we don't have more assets, otherwise I'd try and steal some their guys.
Which particular guys would you have your eye on? For me in a smaller and more reasonable deal, I would actually look at 1 of 2 possible trades honestly:
Saric/ Smith / 23' 2nd for Freedom/ Parker/ Hauser. - Enes Freedom- Additional insurance big/ rebounder. - Jabari Parker is still a productive and creative offensive 4. - Dennis Schroder- Can be our additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. ** Sam Hauser is basically Bojan Bogdanovic 2.0.
2) https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/t28MbsWV_U4-is/suns-celtics-swap-2 Saric/ Smith/ Payton/ 23' 2nd for Dennis Schroder/ Josh Richardson/ Enes freedom. Schroder- additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. Josh Richardson- Our legitimate strong perimeter defensive backup SG/ SF option. ** Also capable ballhandler/ facilitator with size! ( I'd play him at the backup 3 spot between Shamet and Johnson. Enes Freedom- our 3rd string center (insurance big) strong rebounder whilst Kaminsky is out.
3***)Horford trade!! Horford is who I'd want most in a Celtics trade. But would I be willing to package Crowder and Saric for him? Would he he a big upgrade IF we played him at the 4 next to Ayton!
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/IU__uj__7UhfDf/suns-celtics-blockbuster Saric/ Crowder/ Smith/ Payton/ 25' lotto protected first for Al Horford and Sam Hauser. Although upon reflection, I don't think I would do this trade, because his salary requires us to give up far too much depth in the frontcourt. Sam Hauser would be a very good Cam Johnson/ Bojan Bogdanovic clone though for floor spacing. Ultimately I think the best possible trade for us would be trade # 2. That would really upgrade our bench rebounding, perimeter defense, and scoring with all of Shamet, Payne and Schroeder able to go off for 20+ on any given night.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal. I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second. As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...at least enough to move on to some other team unless we were taking on salary next year which I don't see happening for someone like Craig since we gave Shamet so much and need to sign Ayton. I think if we do spend extra money next year it would be keeping McGee if we can rather than getting someone like Craig. Unless Monty thinks Saric can just take over McGee's minutes and perhaps we can keep Smith for cheap.
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young, though I imagine he will have more appealing destinations where he can get more money unless we have a serious injury to one of our PFs or Cs.
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Saberestar wrote:I don't want to read anything more about Mikal Bridges being DPOY.
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I think it's kind of ridiculous that so many talk about DPOY for our players when none have even made all defensive teams yet.
Are you just saying it because of the last play? I only watched it and the replay but it looked like him and Book were right there...but Ja hung long enough to smartly wait until the defenders came down and hit it. I see people saying he traveled and if that's the case then it should have been called or if the shot went off earlier it probably gets deflected from him having to get away from Bridges while also watching out for Book. Ja's really fast...quick.
No, I was saying it because Mikal was mediocre at best on defense for the entire game.
He couldn't stop anyone, Ja and Bane did whatever they want in front of him or whoever were guarding them, you expect more resistance from Mikal.
It was one of his worst games on defense, he usually is much better...but he had a bad night in this one.
Why was stopping both of them on him? Or are you saying when he was on them they were on fire? This is actually the first one I probably didn't see enough to comment and the part I did see was when we made a big comeback through the last half of the 3rd and 4th.
I think Memphis is tough though. They are the clear 4 seed only behind us, GS and Utah and have rarely been completely healthy..more banged up with us with Ja (their most important guy missing 11 games) and Brooks missing like 15. But Bane and Melton stepped up quite a bit then even though it cost them depth. But with Ja out it hurts.
When I saw without Ayton and Crowder and us still favored by 7.5 I thought the Grizzlies was an easy bet (if I was still betting) and we still ended up keeping it close at the end, so all in all it seemed like we played fairly well given the circumstances, especially with McGee fouling out. So zero depth at 3-5. Bane was just on fire. I think it was more of a case of him being on fire...which happens. Bridges D might not have been good if he was guarding him (which would seem a little odd for it to be our game plan going in) because he is kind of up and down....a very solid 2nd year guy but not as dangerous as Ja.
I don't think it's a bad loss given the circumstances though. It seems like last year we lost to them a couple times at full strength.
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Revived wrote:Bane was wide open for almost all his shots. He even missed two wide open ones at the end of the 4th and the Grizz announcers spend like 20 mins talking about how lucky the Suns were that he missed those.
It was so bizarre to me that Bane was killing the Suns the whole game yet they kept deciding to help off his man and leave him open from 3. It made absolutely no sense. Like if a WR in the NFL is killing a defense, would the defense find a solution of taking the CB off him and leaving him completely open to see if that can stop him?
The defense has been compete ass the last two games. And it’s not just a missing Ayton/Crowder thing either since they’ve only been gone for one game.
I didn’t have a problem with the defense on Morant because I thought most of his makes were defended really well but he just made great plays. And Bane is a really good player too but they still chose to leave him completely open time and time again.
Bane was open on a few shots but that was because we couldn't stop Morant. He made Mikal, CP3, Book, McGee and whoever was trying to defend him his bitch.
Bane scored when he was well defended too. Some rolls, some contested 3p shots...the guy is very good.
What I wanted to say is that Mikal wasn't a positive factor on defense on this one and he needs to be that player for us. He doesn't carry a big load creating on our offense so he needs to make an impact on defense game in and game out.
As for Revived's points, I doubt we game planned, or made adjustments to try and leave Bane wide open but our biggest weakness this season (or one of them) has been defending the 3, and without Crowder and Ayton that absolutely hurts because we can't switch as much with more McGee and lack of depth making guys more tired....Bridges, Cam, Book and Paul played 35-37 minutes, which is more than usual, especially for Cam.
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Saberestar wrote:What I wanted to say is that Mikal wasn't a positive factor on defense on this one and he needs to be that player for us. He doesn't carry a big load creating on our offense so he needs to make an impact on defense game in and game out.
Bridges hasn't been playing well for about a month. He has stretches where he makes such a huge difference on defense that it makes you forget that he's basically a spot-up shooter most nights on offense. I know he does all the "little things" but he doesn't do the other things. You know: points, steals, rebounds, blocks, assists. He's had all the opportunity in the world to step up and show that he can be more than he is, but he hasn't. From what I can tell, his ceiling and his floor are pretty much the same. All you have to do to neutralize him is close out and watch for cuts. I was really hopeful that he'd take a step forward, because that would have been huge for us, but I'm not seeing it. I see a role player. A darn good one, but a role player nonetheless.
I think the main thing is, if you are referencing offense, is that he is not, by design, a big part of our offense, and when our schedule tightened up and got way tougher (as I made the poll about how many we can win out of the 15 through this past game), he has had to expend even more energy on D, and plays the most minutes of anyone on our team. The players and coaches speak so highly of the step forward this season that it is odd people see it.
His efficiency has dropped off, but it was so elite last year it would be hard to maintain that, and he's been taking fewer 3s and more 2s off the dribble. Last year 75% of his shots were 3s or at the rim and this year it's around 62%.
I don't know if his defense has dropped off much since last year, but I think maybe some, but it feels the general consensus is that it has improved, with more mention of how he should be all defense.
So I don't know. His steals are up, but I don't think that always means he is better...perhaps at team defense, getting into passing lanes and getting easy fast break points, but 1 on 1 defense down a bit maybe.
His DBPM and DEF RTG on b-ref are much improved though some of other maybe better def adv stats from elsewhere may be down some.
His efficiency has dropped in the last month on offense, but I think with the tougher schedule and given how great it was last year and the start to the season, it would be extremely tough to maintain such elite #s anyway.
I am not down on him as I know players go through peaks and valleys but I know there is a contingent that have never been particularly high on him especially when it comes to raw stats and ppg, etc, but trying to get away from his bread and butter, which was rim shots especially and 3 pt shooting and taking more off the dribble is more of a challenge and although I think he has shown to be improved at that at times, it's still not what he is best at.
Then you have other stuff like this which seem to make his defensive appear elite....while it may seem when he gives up points to some players, he may have been doing better against the elite players than anyone else despite some Suns fans standards for him being so sky high maybe they feel he should just completely shut down everyone. His matchups are harder than anyone according to this and he is doing better than any other wings despite how tough matchups are.
bwgood77 wrote: I think it's kind of ridiculous that so many talk about DPOY for our players when none have even made all defensive teams yet.
Are you just saying it because of the last play? I only watched it and the replay but it looked like him and Book were right there...but Ja hung long enough to smartly wait until the defenders came down and hit it. I see people saying he traveled and if that's the case then it should have been called or if the shot went off earlier it probably gets deflected from him having to get away from Bridges while also watching out for Book. Ja's really fast...quick.
No, I was saying it because Mikal was mediocre at best on defense for the entire game.
He couldn't stop anyone, Ja and Bane did whatever they want in front of him or whoever were guarding them, you expect more resistance from Mikal.
It was one of his worst games on defense, he usually is much better...but he had a bad night in this one.
Why was stopping both of them on him? Or are you saying when he was on them they were on fire? This is actually the first one I probably didn't see enough to comment and the part I did see was when we made a big comeback through the last half of the 3rd and 4th.
I think Memphis is tough though. They are the clear 4 seed only behind us, GS and Utah and have rarely been completely healthy..more banged up with us with Ja (their most important guy missing 11 games) and Brooks missing like 15. But Bane and Melton stepped up quite a bit then even though it cost them depth. But with Ja out it hurts.
When I saw without Ayton and Crowder and us still favored by 7.5 I thought the Grizzlies was an easy bet (if I was still betting) and we still ended up keeping it close at the end, so all in all it seemed like we played fairly well given the circumstances, especially with McGee fouling out. So zero depth at 3-5. Bane was just on fire. I think it was more of a case of him being on fire...which happens. Bridges D might not have been good if he was guarding him (which would seem a little odd for it to be our game plan going in) because he is kind of up and down....a very solid 2nd year guy but not as dangerous as Ja.
I don't think it's a bad loss given the circumstances though. It seems like last year we lost to them a couple times at full strength.
Mikal is our best perimeter defender and he has to make things difficult for opposing players. It is basically his primary responsibility on the team. He failed clearly in this one. Morant was a nightmare for him.
It was a bad game from him, just that. He didn't have a lot of energy/activity.
Saberestar wrote:What I wanted to say is that Mikal wasn't a positive factor on defense on this one and he needs to be that player for us. He doesn't carry a big load creating on our offense so he needs to make an impact on defense game in and game out.
Bridges hasn't been playing well for about a month. He has stretches where he makes such a huge difference on defense that it makes you forget that he's basically a spot-up shooter most nights on offense. I know he does all the "little things" but he doesn't do the other things. You know: points, steals, rebounds, blocks, assists. He's had all the opportunity in the world to step up and show that he can be more than he is, but he hasn't. From what I can tell, his ceiling and his floor are pretty much the same. All you have to do to neutralize him is close out and watch for cuts. I was really hopeful that he'd take a step forward, because that would have been huge for us, but I'm not seeing it. I see a role player. A darn good one, but a role player nonetheless.
I think the main thing is, if you are referencing offense, is that he is not, by design, a big part of our offense, and when our schedule tightened up and got way tougher (as I made the poll about how many we can win out of the 15th through this past game), he has had to expend even more energy on D, and plays the most minutes of anyone on our team. The players and coaches speak so highly of the step forward this season that it is odd people see it.
His efficiency has dropped off, but it was so elite last year it would be hard to maintain that, and he's been taking fewer 3s and more 2s off the dribble. Last year 75% of his shots were 3s or at the rim and this year it's around 62%.
I don't know if his defense has dropped off much since last year, but I think maybe some, but it feels the general consensus is that it has improved, with more mention of how he should be all defense.
So I don't know. His steals are up, but I don't think that always means he is better...perhaps at team defense, getting into passing lanes and getting easy fast break points, but 1 on 1 defense down a bit maybe.
His DBPM and DEF RTG on b-ref are much improved though some of other maybe better def adv stats from elsewhere may be down some.
His efficiency has dropped in the last month on offense, but I think with the tougher schedule and given how great it was last year and the start to the season, it would be extremely tough to maintain such elite #s anyway.
I am not down on him as I know players go through peaks and valleys but I know there is a contingent that have never been particularly high on him especially when it comes to raw stats and ppg, etc, but trying to get away from his bread and butter, which was rim shots especially and 3 pt shooting and taking more off the dribble is more of a challenge and although I think he has shown to be improved at that at times, it's still not what he is best at.
Then you have other stuff like this which seem to make his defensive appear elite....while it may seem when he gives up points to some players, he may have been doing better against the elite players than anyone else despite some Suns fans standards for him being so sky high maybe they feel he should just completely shut down everyone.
Slim Charless wrote: That Boston team seems to have quit. Too bad we don't have more assets, otherwise I'd try and steal some their guys.
Which particular guys would you have your eye on? For me in a smaller and more reasonable deal, I would actually look at 1 of 2 possible trades honestly:
Saric/ Smith / 23' 2nd for Freedom/ Parker/ Hauser. - Enes Freedom- Additional insurance big/ rebounder. - Jabari Parker is still a productive and creative offensive 4. - Dennis Schroder- Can be our additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. ** Sam Hauser is basically Bojan Bogdanovic 2.0.
2) https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/t28MbsWV_U4-is/suns-celtics-swap-2 Saric/ Smith/ Payton/ 23' 2nd for Dennis Schroder/ Josh Richardson/ Enes freedom. Schroder- additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. Josh Richardson- Our legitimate strong perimeter defensive backup SG/ SF option. ** Also capable ballhandler/ facilitator with size! ( I'd play him at the backup 3 spot between Shamet and Johnson. Enes Freedom- our 3rd string center (insurance big) strong rebounder whilst Kaminsky is out.
3***)Horford trade!! Horford is who I'd want most in a Celtics trade. But would I be willing to package Crowder and Saric for him? Would he he a big upgrade IF we played him at the 4 next to Ayton!
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/IU__uj__7UhfDf/suns-celtics-blockbuster Saric/ Crowder/ Smith/ Payton/ 25' lotto protected first for Al Horford and Sam Hauser. Although upon reflection, I don't think I would do this trade, because his salary requires us to give up far too much depth in the frontcourt. Sam Hauser would be a very good Cam Johnson/ Bojan Bogdanovic clone though for floor spacing. Ultimately I think the best possible trade for us would be trade # 2. That would really upgrade our bench rebounding, perimeter defense, and scoring with all of Shamet, Payne and Schroeder able to go off for 20+ on any given night.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal. I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second. As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...at least enough to move on to some other team unless we were taking on salary next year which I don't see happening for someone like Craig since we gave Shamet so much and need to sign Ayton. I think if we do spend extra money next year it would be keeping McGee if we can rather than getting someone like Craig. Unless Monty thinks Saric can just take over McGee's minutes and perhaps we can keep Smith for cheap.
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young, though I imagine he will have more appealing destinations where he can get more money unless we have a serious injury to one of our PFs or Cs.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal.
- Enes "Freedom" is basically Enes Kanter. He's only two million or so expiring. So he'd not really impact our salary next season. But he's definitely another big body at 6'10 250lbs. And I'd a very good rebounder and physical big. That is good at scoring around the rim. I see him as a cheap big providing insurance big for us whilst Saric and Kaminsky is out.
-Jabari Parker Parker was a highly touted draft prospect coming out of Duke. He's a very Versatile offensive scorer ( 3/4) with a great face up game and good size at 6'8 245 lbs. His projection around the draft was along the lines of a Carmelo Anthony/ Paul Peirce before tearing his ACL. He's still a very solid offensive 3/4 that's strong/ bulky and has a very good face up game post injury. But no longer has a star projection. And is a minimum salary journeyman. He's a 2 million expiring also. So he could add temporary depth with no longterm investment.
-Dennis Schroder Do you really not know who Dennis Schroder is man? Microwave scorer, good ballhandler, pesky defender. Played for the Flakers last season when we beat them in the playoffs. He's a 5 million expiring, But could be a temporary depth option and additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer for us off the bench.
-Sam Hauser I mentioned him as a great 2nd round option floor spacing big ( 6'8) for us in the Doug McDermott/ Bojan Bogdanovic mold. This is a great breakdown on him by Zonahoops! ( check out his stats and BPM). He's pretty close to 50/ 40/ 90. https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/
I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second.
Well........... Right off the top, They save around 5 million in salary difference I believe. Which drops them to within only 1.4 million over the tax. And they get a 2nd as a sweetener. Maybe they attach that 2nd ( sweetener) to another team to now get under the tax?? *** I'm not opposed to making it a first IF necessary.
The premise would be predicated upon Slims' post assumption that the team's basically quitting and might need to consider blowing up and rebuilding.
As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...
Smith gives them a young recent lotto big with upside still if given playing time. The 2nd or first ( IF need be) just gives them draft assets to either use in a rebuild or in a trade. And Saric would have value next season as an expiring. But for this season this trade ( If their not competing) helps save them ( as a tax paying team currently) around 5 million initially. And also helps get them closer to the tax line ( within only 1.4 million).
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young
Personally I think we absolutely need to address our rebounding and perimeter defense IN ADDITION TO a solid 3rd string point guard with I agree completely with you on. But I mention rebounding because in each of our losses, it's been a big factor. So it is an issue that we need to address. I also mention perimeter defense as this is also an area wherein teams ' have scorched us in our losses. These are two glaring areas of weakness for us in addition to our turnovers. Which as you mentioned can be addressed by adding another skilled guard to our lineup. However, we could also use an additional scoring boost for when our players ( Payne/ Shamet) or even Book and/ or Paul are struggling to offset the lost production!
I feel these three players actually address all of the above mentioned issues in this trade premise. And aside from Richardson, the other two players ( Schroder and Enes Freedom) both will be off the books after this season. And IF Richardson balls out in his role (perimeter defense/ ballhandling/ facilitator) then we should be able to flip him as a decent value expiring for additional space to resign McGee anyways.
But Enes ( Kanter) Freedom solves our rebounding issues off the bench ( 3rd string) when McGee sits. Schroder adds more 3 pt shooting/ ballhandling. And Richardson can play in Naders' role ( backup 2/3) as an undersized defensive wing with ballhandling, passing ability, and whose a strong perimeter defender. But whose also shooting 40% from three for the Celtics this season. I also like Richardson off the bench in between Shamet and Johnson as a defensive connector possibly?
Smith isn't an asset to us, or any team at this point in time....because he's an unrestricted free agent. If any team wants him, they can sign him for exactly what he's worth to them, for free.
Ghost of Kleine wrote: Which particular guys would you have your eye on? For me in a smaller and more reasonable deal, I would actually look at 1 of 2 possible trades honestly:
Saric/ Smith / 23' 2nd for Freedom/ Parker/ Hauser. - Enes Freedom- Additional insurance big/ rebounder. - Jabari Parker is still a productive and creative offensive 4. - Dennis Schroder- Can be our additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. ** Sam Hauser is basically Bojan Bogdanovic 2.0.
2) https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/t28MbsWV_U4-is/suns-celtics-swap-2 Saric/ Smith/ Payton/ 23' 2nd for Dennis Schroder/ Josh Richardson/ Enes freedom. Schroder- additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer off the bench. Josh Richardson- Our legitimate strong perimeter defensive backup SG/ SF option. ** Also capable ballhandler/ facilitator with size! ( I'd play him at the backup 3 spot between Shamet and Johnson. Enes Freedom- our 3rd string center (insurance big) strong rebounder whilst Kaminsky is out.
3***)Horford trade!! Horford is who I'd want most in a Celtics trade. But would I be willing to package Crowder and Saric for him? Would he he a big upgrade IF we played him at the 4 next to Ayton!
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/IU__uj__7UhfDf/suns-celtics-blockbuster Saric/ Crowder/ Smith/ Payton/ 25' lotto protected first for Al Horford and Sam Hauser. Although upon reflection, I don't think I would do this trade, because his salary requires us to give up far too much depth in the frontcourt. Sam Hauser would be a very good Cam Johnson/ Bojan Bogdanovic clone though for floor spacing. Ultimately I think the best possible trade for us would be trade # 2. That would really upgrade our bench rebounding, perimeter defense, and scoring with all of Shamet, Payne and Schroeder able to go off for 20+ on any given night.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal. I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second. As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...at least enough to move on to some other team unless we were taking on salary next year which I don't see happening for someone like Craig since we gave Shamet so much and need to sign Ayton. I think if we do spend extra money next year it would be keeping McGee if we can rather than getting someone like Craig. Unless Monty thinks Saric can just take over McGee's minutes and perhaps we can keep Smith for cheap.
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young, though I imagine he will have more appealing destinations where he can get more money unless we have a serious injury to one of our PFs or Cs.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal.
- Enes "Freedom" is basically Enes Kanter. He's only two million or so expiring. So he'd not really impact our salary next season. But he's definitely another big body at 6'10 250lbs. And I'd a very good rebounder and physical big. That is good at scoring around the rim. I see him as a cheap big providing insurance big for us whilst Saric and Kaminsky is out.
-Jabari Parker Parker was a highly touted draft prospect coming out of Duke. He's a very Versatile offensive scorer ( 3/4) with a great face up game and good size at 6'8 245 lbs. His projection around the draft was along the lines of a Carmelo Anthony/ Paul Peirce before tearing his ACL. He's still a very solid offensive 3/4 that's strong/ bulky and has a very good face up game post injury. But no longer has a star projection. And is a minimum salary journeyman. He's a 2 million expiring also. So he could add temporary depth with no longterm investment.
-Dennis Schroder Do you really not know who Dennis Schroder is man? Microwave scorer, good ballhandler, pesky defender. Played for the Flakers last season when we beat them in the playoffs. He's a 5 million expiring, But could be a temporary depth option and additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer for us off the bench.
-Sam Hauser I mentioned him as a great 2nd round option floor spacing big ( 6'8) for us in the Doug McDermott/ Bojan Bogdanovic mold. This is a great breakdown on him by Zonahoops! ( check out his stats and BPM). He's pretty close to 50/ 40/ 90. https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/
I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second.
Well........... Right off the top, They save around 5 million in salary difference I believe. Which drops them to within only 1.4 million over the tax. And they get a 2nd as a sweetener. Maybe they attach that 2nd ( sweetener) to another team to now get under the tax?? *** I'm not opposed to making it a first IF necessary.
The premise would be predicated upon Slims' post assumption that the team's basically quitting and might need to consider blowing up and rebuilding.
As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...
Smith gives them a young recent lotto big with upside still if given playing time. The 2nd or first ( IF need be) just gives them draft assets to either use in a rebuild or in a trade. And Saric would have value next season as an expiring. But for this season this trade ( If their not competing) helps save them ( as a tax paying team currently) around 5 million initially. And also helps get them closer to the tax line ( within only 1.4 million).
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young
Personally I think we absolutely need to address our rebounding and perimeter defense IN ADDITION TO a solid 3rd string point guard with I agree completely with you on. But I mention rebounding because in each of our losses, it's been a big factor. So it is an issue that we need to address. I also mention perimeter defense as this is also an area wherein teams ' have scorched us in our losses. These are two glaring areas of weakness for us in addition to our turnovers. Which as you mentioned can be addressed by adding another skilled guard to our lineup. However, we could also use an additional scoring boost for when our players ( Payne/ Shamet) or even Book and/ or Paul are struggling to offset the lost production!
I feel these three players actually address all of the above mentioned issues in this trade premise. And aside from Richardson, the other two players ( Schroder and Enes Freedom) both will be off the books after this season. And IF Richardson balls out in his role (perimeter defense/ ballhandling/ facilitator) then we should be able to flip him as a decent value expiring for additional space to resign McGee anyways.
But Enes ( Kanter) Freedom solves our rebounding issues off the bench ( 3rd string) when McGee sits. Schroder adds more 3 pt shooting/ ballhandling. And Richardson can play in Naders' role ( backup 2/3) as an undersized defensive wing with ballhandling, passing ability, and whose a strong perimeter defender. But whose also shooting 40% from three for the Celtics this season. I also like Richardson off the bench in between Shamet and Johnson as a defensive connector possibly?
I didn't read all of this, but just wanted to chime in that Jalen Smith isn't an asset to us or any team right now because he's an unrestricted free agent next summer. If any team wants him, they just sign up in the summer for exactly what he's worth to them.
Phystic wrote:So did I hear right last game, that NBA came out and admitted they blew call and cost suns the game?
Yeah, I was thinking if it's clear a winning basket shouldn't have counted and their wasn't enough time for them to get the ball back, a shot up, and win, the result should be reversed.
Otherwise, what is the point of these 2 minute reviews?
Not that they'd ever do it, but the Suns obviously should have won.
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Phystic wrote:So did I hear right last game, that NBA came out and admitted they blew call and cost suns the game?
Yeah, I was thinking if it's clear a winning basket shouldn't have counted and their wasn't enough time for them to get the ball back, a shot up, and win, the result should be reversed.
Otherwise, what is the point of these 2 minute reviews?
Not that they'd ever do it, but the Suns obviously should have won.
Ya there were multiple AWFUL calls that game. But to come out and say call was blown on the game winner serves no point unless you're going to change it
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal. I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second. As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...at least enough to move on to some other team unless we were taking on salary next year which I don't see happening for someone like Craig since we gave Shamet so much and need to sign Ayton. I think if we do spend extra money next year it would be keeping McGee if we can rather than getting someone like Craig. Unless Monty thinks Saric can just take over McGee's minutes and perhaps we can keep Smith for cheap.
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young, though I imagine he will have more appealing destinations where he can get more money unless we have a serious injury to one of our PFs or Cs.
I don't know any of the guys in your first proposal.
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- Enes "Freedom" is basically Enes Kanter. He's only two million or so expiring. So he'd not really impact our salary next season. But he's definitely another big body at 6'10 250lbs. And I'd a very good rebounder and physical big. That is good at scoring around the rim. I see him as a cheap big providing insurance big for us whilst Saric and Kaminsky is out.
-Jabari Parker Parker was a highly touted draft prospect coming out of Duke. He's a very Versatile offensive scorer ( 3/4) with a great face up game and good size at 6'8 245 lbs. His projection around the draft was along the lines of a Carmelo Anthony/ Paul Peirce before tearing his ACL. He's still a very solid offensive 3/4 that's strong/ bulky and has a very good face up game post injury. But no longer has a star projection. And is a minimum salary journeyman. He's a 2 million expiring also. So he could add temporary depth with no longterm investment.
-Dennis Schroder Do you really not know who Dennis Schroder is man? Microwave scorer, good ballhandler, pesky defender. Played for the Flakers last season when we beat them in the playoffs. He's a 5 million expiring, But could be a temporary depth option and additional ballhandler/ microwave scorer for us off the bench.
-Sam Hauser I mentioned him as a great 2nd round option floor spacing big ( 6'8) for us in the Doug McDermott/ Bojan Bogdanovic mold. This is a great breakdown on him by Zonahoops! ( check out his stats and BPM). He's pretty close to 50/ 40/ 90. https://zonahoops.com/2021/03/31/sam-hauser-nba-scouting-report/ [spoiler]
I don't know what the Celtics appeal is in the second.
Well........... Right off the top, They save around 5 million in salary difference I believe. Which drops them to within only 1.4 million over the tax. And they get a 2nd as a sweetener. Maybe they attach that 2nd ( sweetener) to another team to now get under the tax?? *** I'm not opposed to making it a first IF necessary.
The premise would be predicated upon Slims' post assumption that the team's basically quitting and might need to consider blowing up and rebuilding.
As I have mentioned a lot, I don't see the appeal for Stix by another team in trade...
Smith gives them a young recent lotto big with upside still if given playing time. The 2nd or first ( IF need be) just gives them draft assets to either use in a rebuild or in a trade. And Saric would have value next season as an expiring. But for this season this trade ( If their not competing) helps save them ( as a tax paying team currently) around 5 million initially. And also helps get them closer to the tax line ( within only 1.4 million).
I don't see a big need anywhere unless we can find a solid 3rd string PG on buyout market and Thaddeus Young
Personally I think we absolutely need to address our rebounding and perimeter defense IN ADDITION TO a solid 3rd string point guard with I agree completely with you on. But I mention rebounding because in each of our losses, it's been a big factor. So it is an issue that we need to address. I also mention perimeter defense as this is also an area wherein teams ' have scorched us in our losses. These are two glaring areas of weakness for us in addition to our turnovers. Which as you mentioned can be addressed by adding another skilled guard to our lineup. However, we could also use an additional scoring boost for when our players ( Payne/ Shamet) or even Book and/ or Paul are struggling to offset the lost production!
I feel these three players actually address all of the above mentioned issues in this trade premise. And aside from Richardson, the other two players ( Schroder and Enes Freedom) both will be off the books after this season. And IF Richardson balls out in his role (perimeter defense/ ballhandling/ facilitator) then we should be able to flip him as a decent value expiring for additional space to resign McGee anyways.
But Enes ( Kanter) Freedom solves our rebounding issues off the bench ( 3rd string) when McGee sits. Schroder adds more 3 pt shooting/ ballhandling. And Richardson can play in Naders' role ( backup 2/3) as an undersized defensive wing with ballhandling, passing ability, and whose a strong perimeter defender. But whose also shooting 40% from three for the Celtics this season. I also like Richardson off the bench in between Shamet and Johnson as a defensive connector possibly?[/quote[/spoiler]
I didn't read all of this, but just wanted to chime in that Jalen Smith isn't an asset to us or any team right now because he's an unrestricted free agent next summer. If any team wants him, they just sign up in the summer for exactly what he's worth to them.
So Jalen Smith isn't an asset to any other teams then???
Could he not be an asset ( as an expiring contract) to a tax paying team or a team close to the tax looking to cut salary. Wherein that 4.4 million might make a difference? Are teams no longer trading for expiring contracts?
What about teams that might be rebuilding, and would like to actually take a test run on a young lotto big with instances of upside but not having to make a contractual commitment beforehand? Are teams not trading for young upside players or players in general knowing they're going to be unrestricted free agents and that they can try them out before actually making a decision on them contractually??
Is that not a thing anymore. What about rebuilding teams that don't have monetary concerns, aren't a free agent destination, and could use additional frontcourt size? Maybe say a team like OKC, maybe Detroit, Sacramento, Boston might like him if they're looking to rebuild, can try him out without having to commit to him, whilst also getting a draft pick in the deal. What about other teams with comparable salaries that aren't currently getting much playing time and are being underutilized due to poor fit? With Smith being unguaranteed, could it not be interesting to do a swap for Smith in a trade to try him out for the rest of the season with no guaranteed commitment ? I don't anticipate any team offering him significant money this summer, So I'm sure any recieving team understands that they could likely resign him to a discount with him very likely outplaying whatever contract he eventually signs for. Especially if that team is actually willing to give him playing time. Would their be no perceivable value to a team in getting a young recent lotto big that has recently shown solid production when finally given minutes at a discount?
Report: Teams interested in Jalen Smith expect Phoenix Suns to trade him
UPDATED: DECEMBER 13, 2021 AT 10:19 AM
"Despite declining his third-year option, the Suns have had interest generate in talks to move center Jalen Smith, sources said. But interested teams expect a potential move for Smith as the Dec. 15 date — when most offseason signings can be traded — nears."
( I'd play him at the backup 3 spot between Shamet and Johnson. 
