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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#441 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:30 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:He lost us the chip. He was very bad juju


It was ridiculously stupid. Almost embarrassing for Suns fans.

wasn't that flex?


That would make perfect sense, but never heard that.

Was it? If so I lost even more respect for him.

Not sure if joking.
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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#442 » by matt131 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:47 pm

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It was ridiculously stupid. Almost embarrassing for Suns fans.

wasn't that flex?


That would make perfect sense, but never heard that.

Was it? If so I lost even more respect for him.

Not sure if joking.
Nah wasn't flex. That group of people go to every single game and sit underneath the basket off to the right. Wonder where they get the funds for that.

Anywho, flex lives in...jersey as his name implies and I think had been to 1 game or so in Phoenix last year.

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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#443 » by Jesus_H_Macy » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:17 pm

Hesh wrote:I kind of just skimmed through this game-thread, but is it me or did this team play in a noticeably different system/style than what they usually do? The offense was fluidly-chaotic, ala GSW, and much more iso-based with guys seemingly trying things out of their comfort zone. It could be them adjusting to their opponent and not wanting to be predictable and showcase their superiority against a team they lost to in the finals, or simply the improvement of our players. But I don't know.. just seemed different, in a good way.


I understand what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable enough to detect if we had any intentional scheme changes, but to my eye it just looked like Milwaukee was playing some really great D for most of the game and clogging up our typical ball movement. The only thing that really stood out to me as being intentionally different than normal (though not by that much) was how intent we were on feeding Ayton.
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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#444 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:58 pm

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Hesh wrote:I kind of just skimmed through this game-thread, but is it me or did this team play in a noticeably different system/style than what they usually do? The offense was fluidly-chaotic, ala GSW, and much more iso-based with guys seemingly trying things out of their comfort zone. It could be them adjusting to their opponent and not wanting to be predictable and showcase their superiority against a team they lost to in the finals, or simply the improvement of our players. But I don't know.. just seemed different, in a good way.


I understand what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable enough to detect if we had any intentional scheme changes, but to my eye it just looked like Milwaukee was playing some really great D for most of the game and clogging up our typical ball movement. The only thing that really stood out to me as being intentionally different than normal (though not by that much) was how intent we were on feeding Ayton.
Oh the suns definitely tried some stuff this game. Weird player combos and different looks. Curious to see if they use these last 25 games to test some things for the playoffs.

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Post#445 » by Fo-Real » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:39 pm

Dont know if it was mentioned but suns centers (Ayton, McGee and Biyombo) accounted for 48 pts!!
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Post#446 » by Slim Charless » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:04 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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Hesh wrote:I kind of just skimmed through this game-thread, but is it me or did this team play in a noticeably different system/style than what they usually do? The offense was fluidly-chaotic, ala GSW, and much more iso-based with guys seemingly trying things out of their comfort zone. It could be them adjusting to their opponent and not wanting to be predictable and showcase their superiority against a team they lost to in the finals, or simply the improvement of our players. But I don't know.. just seemed different, in a good way.


I understand what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable enough to detect if we had any intentional scheme changes, but to my eye it just looked like Milwaukee was playing some really great D for most of the game and clogging up our typical ball movement. The only thing that really stood out to me as being intentionally different than normal (though not by that much) was how intent we were on feeding Ayton.
Oh the suns definitely tried some stuff this game. Weird player combos and different looks. Curious to see if they use these last 25 games to test some things for the playoffs.

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Hopefully that is the plan for the playoffs. I don't see any team in the west being able to stop Ayton, if they hunt the switch like they were doing last night. Teams like Memphis and Golden State have enough smart players where they could switch-but that looks to be a WCF match so worry about that when it happens.

This team is most deadly when it uses an Ayton-centric offense imo. Low post presence is tough to deal with in this perimeter orientated NBA. These 6'8 centers and 6'6 PFs that teams throw out there nowadays is just BEGGING to be taken advantage of by true bigs that can affect a game.
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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#447 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:13 am

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Jesus_H_Macy wrote:
I understand what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable enough to detect if we had any intentional scheme changes, but to my eye it just looked like Milwaukee was playing some really great D for most of the game and clogging up our typical ball movement. The only thing that really stood out to me as being intentionally different than normal (though not by that much) was how intent we were on feeding Ayton.
Oh the suns definitely tried some stuff this game. Weird player combos and different looks. Curious to see if they use these last 25 games to test some things for the playoffs.

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Hopefully that is the plan for the playoffs. I don't see any team in the west being able to stop Ayton, if they hunt the switch like they were doing last night. Teams like Memphis and Golden State have enough smart players where they could switch-but that looks to be a WCF match so worry about that when it happens.

This team is most deadly when it uses an Ayton-centric offense imo. Low post presence is tough to deal with in this perimeter orientated NBA. These 6'8 centers and 6'6 PFs that teams throw out there nowadays is just BEGGING to be taken advantage of by true bigs that can affect a game.


It is obviously deadly when Book or Paul are scorching hot but the thing about being dangerous with an Ayton centric offense is that you are extremely unlikely to see one super hot game and then some 5-19 or 8-23 game which is a killer. Even at worst, Ayton, if he gets say 12 shots, would probably be like 7-12....or if terrible, 5-12. But I think if he gets 15 shots it would be very rare he didn't make more than half of them and probably more often than not would make 10 or more.

And often a couple of his misses are him trying to tip back in a ball he missed a couple of times while a couple of defenders are also jumping up trying to grab a ball. This happens on occasion once every few games and suddenly might be 3 missed shots when he was otherwise 5-6 or something at the time and suddenly is 5-9 when the situation was just a missed shot and good effort you want to see after that, just couldn't get it in with defenders there.
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Re: Game 55: Milwaukee Bucks (35-21) @ Phoenix Suns (44-10) l Thursday l 8:00pm TNT 

Post#448 » by Slim Charless » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:25 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Oh the suns definitely tried some stuff this game. Weird player combos and different looks. Curious to see if they use these last 25 games to test some things for the playoffs.

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Hopefully that is the plan for the playoffs. I don't see any team in the west being able to stop Ayton, if they hunt the switch like they were doing last night. Teams like Memphis and Golden State have enough smart players where they could switch-but that looks to be a WCF match so worry about that when it happens.

This team is most deadly when it uses an Ayton-centric offense imo. Low post presence is tough to deal with in this perimeter orientated NBA. These 6'8 centers and 6'6 PFs that teams throw out there nowadays is just BEGGING to be taken advantage of by true bigs that can affect a game.


It is obviously deadly when Book or Paul are scorching hot but the thing about being dangerous with an Ayton centric offense is that you are extremely unlikely to see one super hot game and then some 5-19 or 8-23 game which is a killer. Even at worst, Ayton, if he gets say 12 shots, would probably be like 7-12....or if terrible, 5-12. But I think if he gets 15 shots it would be very rare he didn't make more than half of them and probably more often than not would make 10 or more.

And often a couple of his misses are him trying to tip back in a ball he missed a couple of times while a couple of defenders are also jumping up trying to grab a ball. This happens on occasion once every few games and suddenly might be 3 missed shots when he was otherwise 5-6 or something at the time and suddenly is 5-9 when the situation was just a missed shot and good effort you want to see after that, just couldn't get it in with defenders there.



Hmmm. Even against guards?

I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm guessing that DA shoots well over 50 if he gets a 6'8 or under guy defending him. Now, every team won't just give up the switch like MIL did last night but still.
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Post#449 » by bwgood77 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:33 am

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Hopefully that is the plan for the playoffs. I don't see any team in the west being able to stop Ayton, if they hunt the switch like they were doing last night. Teams like Memphis and Golden State have enough smart players where they could switch-but that looks to be a WCF match so worry about that when it happens.

This team is most deadly when it uses an Ayton-centric offense imo. Low post presence is tough to deal with in this perimeter orientated NBA. These 6'8 centers and 6'6 PFs that teams throw out there nowadays is just BEGGING to be taken advantage of by true bigs that can affect a game.


It is obviously deadly when Book or Paul are scorching hot but the thing about being dangerous with an Ayton centric offense is that you are extremely unlikely to see one super hot game and then some 5-19 or 8-23 game which is a killer. Even at worst, Ayton, if he gets say 12 shots, would probably be like 7-12....or if terrible, 5-12. But I think if he gets 15 shots it would be very rare he didn't make more than half of them and probably more often than not would make 10 or more.

And often a couple of his misses are him trying to tip back in a ball he missed a couple of times while a couple of defenders are also jumping up trying to grab a ball. This happens on occasion once every few games and suddenly might be 3 missed shots when he was otherwise 5-6 or something at the time and suddenly is 5-9 when the situation was just a missed shot and good effort you want to see after that, just couldn't get it in with defenders there.



Hmmm. Even against guards?

I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm guessing that DA shoots well over 50 if he gets a 6'8 or under guy defending him. Now, every team won't just give up the switch like MIL did last night but still.


Well, it depends on where from. He's abot 80% at the rim, which is really good. He is 61% from 3-10 ft, 45% from 10-16 ft.

Yes, he shoots well over 50% normally. He is at about 65% avg overall and that includes going against bigs. I mean his hook shot is nearly impossible to guard against no matter how big the guy is....he is getting good at backing his guy down to the rim and using the backboard to lay it in

I think he would be huge in a Nets series because their best lineup will be small....I imagine Simmons would guard him...possibly KD. Simmons will be by far their best defender and will probably play C in their best lineups..along with 4 shooters. But will they want him on Book? Or Ayton? KD may have better length but he he is skinny and Ayton could back him up, etc. If I were them I'd probably put Simmons on Ayton and let KD's length bother Book.

Anyway, yes, he is better than 50%...he shoots about 50% on his worst nights is what I was saying...and his best nights like 75-80%.
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Post#450 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:08 am

We were able to play inside the paint because they had no size so there was more diving and cutting to the rim.

How Lopez returns could be a big factor for them.

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