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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#241 » by RunDogGun » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:47 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:Heaves shouldn't go on the stat sheet so we'd get more of these.


Totally. Shots beyond half court should have their own stat. They shouldn't count against normal shots.
CP3 talked about those shots in his interview with JJ Reddick and said when he sees dudes shoot them after the horn on purpose he knows that's someone he doesn't want to play with.

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So thats why he got ejected, he didn't want to play with Booker anymore. :wink:
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#242 » by dremill24 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:56 pm

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Totally. Shots beyond half court should have their own stat. They shouldn't count against normal shots.
CP3 talked about those shots in his interview with JJ Reddick and said when he sees dudes shoot them after the horn on purpose he knows that's someone he doesn't want to play with.

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So thats why he got ejected, he didn't want to play with Booker anymore. :wink:


Book LOVES to get that last shot in before the buzzer. Does it all the time. He wants his points, dont care about FG% lol. In this play, there was 0.4secs on the clock on the inbound. Not exactly a situation where you're going to get a 3/4 shot off before the buzzer.
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#243 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:34 pm

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Lindsay sounds like a typical politician. Answers a question without really answering it.

Definitely still needs to be investigated further. And possible disciplinary action should be considered, as no refs should be held unaccountable in evidence of potential ego driven power trips. Clearly, Orr overstepped situationally. And the league needs to send a clear message that no Imperious or megalomanic behavior absent of substantiated cause will be tolerated. And that referees shall operate impartially and in accordance with league rules non subjectively. :nod:
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#244 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:35 pm

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Lindsay sounds like a typical politician. Answers a question without really answering it.

Definitely still needs to be investigated further. And possible disciplinary action should be considered, as no refs should be held unaccountable in evidence of potential ego driven power trips. Clearly, Orr overstepped situationally. And the league needs to send a clear message that no Imperious or megalomanic behavior absent of substantiated cause will be tolerated. And that referees shall operate impartially and in accordance with league rules non subjectively. :nod:
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#245 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:47 pm

Oh CP3 absolutely made contact on purpose, no question about it. He deserved to be run there. I actually wonder if he knew he was going to have to leave with the hand injury anyway and did it to make a point about his frustrations with how that game was being called.

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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#246 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:21 pm

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I think sports betting influences games more than ever before. Probably one of the most lucrative jobs to have in the world right now is a ref for professional sports in America. Under the table money without having to pay a dime in taxes for it? Incredible!


Definitely.

People can be corrupted and referees are definitely targets for gambling companies. NBA referees and all officials of other sports should have their income/life style monitored. Question any non traceable income, especially through side investments that normal people would not make a lot of money from.


I seriously doubt any referees are gambling on games. You'd have to bet a LOT to risk your career and reputation. And after the huge scandal there is no way.

Not to mention it's a federal crime and they'd go to jail.

And to your comment about gambling companies targeting referees. Gambling companies surely don't want games fixed, plus, Revived mentions under the table betting which would mean it's likely with non licensed gamblers (old school bookies).

But if a referee made a bunch of money off a gambling company (bookie) why would the gambling company contact them?

It's a risk for one referee to try and do it too as opposed to a whole team which would be improbable.

Anyway, the bigger issue in sports in the past has been for players/boxers point shaving or going down early, etc.
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#247 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:29 pm

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Stay away from that **** world.


not to mention basketball is probably the worst sport to bet on in the first place. extremely volatile
It sure is. I used to dabble in sports betting with offshore accounts back in my 20s and did alright. Hadn't bet in years but since it's legal now in AZ I figured what the hell I'll throw a little cash into an online account. First bet I made was that Suns/Wolves game a few weeks ago. Suns were short handed and wolves playing well so I bet the wolves to cover like 8pts. That was the game where Paul nutmeged the guy with like 10 seconds left and dude got mad and pushed him and those worthless free throws lost me the bet... Took it as a sign I shouldn't gamble and haven't bet yet :)

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Yeah, basketball is fluky. No matter if the spread is 3 or 4 where free throws can make the difference, or a last second score by the losting team to lose by 2 instead of 5.

Then a big spread, garbage time can kill it even if it looks like you have it in the bag.

Then losses can be random, particularly in a long season. Boston beats Philly by 57 or something, their biggest margin ever in 557 games or something like that between the two teams.

The next night Boston loses to the Pistons. Celtics had won 9 in a row too.

Football is far better to bet on, or even baseball (primarily over/unders).
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#248 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:35 pm

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not to mention basketball is probably the worst sport to bet on in the first place. extremely volatile
It sure is. I used to dabble in sports betting with offshore accounts back in my 20s and did alright. Hadn't bet in years but since it's legal now in AZ I figured what the hell I'll throw a little cash into an online account. First bet I made was that Suns/Wolves game a few weeks ago. Suns were short handed and wolves playing well so I bet the wolves to cover like 8pts. That was the game where Paul nutmeged the guy with like 10 seconds left and dude got mad and pushed him and those worthless free throws lost me the bet... Took it as a sign I shouldn't gamble and haven't bet yet :)

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Yeah, basketball is fluky. No matter if the spread is 3 or 4 where free throws can make the difference, or a last second score by the losting team to lose by 2 instead of 5.

Then a big spread, garbage time can kill it even if it looks like you have it in the bag.

Then losses can be random, particularly in a long season. Boston beats Philly by 57 or something, their biggest margin ever in 557 games or something like that between the two teams.

The next night Boston loses to the Pistons. Celtics had won 9 in a row too.

Football is far better to bet on, or even baseball (primarily over/unders).
Early season NFL was always my favorite. You can find a team or two that's better than expected and it takes until like week 6 for the lines to catch up.

College football can be good too if you're super invested in following it (which I'm not anymore). They don't spend as much time on those lines.

I agree with your take on garbage time in NBA games. **** gets weird and can cause some horrible beats. The suns/bulls game recently was a brutal late Chicago cover. Probably best to money line NBA.

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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#249 » by Frank Lee » Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:50 pm

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not to mention basketball is probably the worst sport to bet on in the first place. extremely volatile
It sure is. I used to dabble in sports betting with offshore accounts back in my 20s and did alright. Hadn't bet in years but since it's legal now in AZ I figured what the hell I'll throw a little cash into an online account. First bet I made was that Suns/Wolves game a few weeks ago. Suns were short handed and wolves playing well so I bet the wolves to cover like 8pts. That was the game where Paul nutmeged the guy with like 10 seconds left and dude got mad and pushed him and those worthless free throws lost me the bet... Took it as a sign I shouldn't gamble and haven't bet yet :)

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Yeah, basketball is fluky. No matter if the spread is 3 or 4 where free throws can make the difference, or a last second score by the losting team to lose by 2 instead of 5.

Then a big spread, garbage time can kill it even if it looks like you have it in the bag.

Then losses can be random, particularly in a long season. Boston beats Philly by 57 or something, their biggest margin ever in 557 games or something like that between the two teams.

The next night Boston loses to the Pistons. Celtics had won 9 in a row too.

Football is far better to bet on, or even baseball (primarily over/unders).


Lately Mikal Bridges over has been the best bet…. Usually 13 1/2-14 1/2 … he’s covered 8 of the last 10

I’ll do money line parlays on NBA as I’ve been badbeat way too many times with meaningless no D buckets or intentional fouls in the end

College BB is often the fav of pro gamblers
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#250 » by Phystic » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:04 pm

Honestly. Surprised NBA hasn't issued a suspension or fine to Paul for making contact with a ref. Isn't that usually a pretty guarantees one game?
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Post#251 » by cberry78 » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:28 pm

The ref actively moved into Paul who was walking next to him. Paul did not initiate the contact, but he also had no business walking in that direction iirc (the Suns' bench was on the other side, wasn't it?). The tech will most likely be rescinded by the league upon review, with a league-wide reminder not to make contact with the officials.
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Re: Game 58: Houston Rockets (15-41) @ Phoenix Suns (47-10) l Wednesday l 7:00pm 

Post#252 » by thamadkant » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:24 pm

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I think sports betting influences games more than ever before. Probably one of the most lucrative jobs to have in the world right now is a ref for professional sports in America. Under the table money without having to pay a dime in taxes for it? Incredible!


Definitely.

People can be corrupted and referees are definitely targets for gambling companies. NBA referees and all officials of other sports should have their income/life style monitored. Question any non traceable income, especially through side investments that normal people would not make a lot of money from.


I seriously doubt any referees are gambling on games. You'd have to bet a LOT to risk your career and reputation. And after the huge scandal there is no way.

Not to mention it's a federal crime and they'd go to jail.

And to your comment about gambling companies targeting referees. Gambling companies surely don't want games fixed, plus, Revived mentions under the table betting which would mean it's likely with non licensed gamblers (old school bookies).

But if a referee made a bunch of money off a gambling company (bookie) why would the gambling company contact them?

It's a risk for one referee to try and do it too as opposed to a whole team which would be improbable.

Anyway, the bigger issue in sports in the past has been for players/boxers point shaving or going down early, etc.




You can't say that really.

I undertook a security clearance years back for a project and all my income, including my spouse's were scrutinised and questioned not to mentioned monitored.

Referees unless have security clearance or some sort of income or lifestyle monitoring are not safe from being corrupt. Anyone can use proxies and cash in hand transactions not to mention crypto these days.

So respectfully disagree about Referees being clean. Unless NBA Referees are under FBI monitoring and are cleared then they are susceptible or risk for corruption. NBA is not the cleanest league either.

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