Archie Goodwin

[Horny]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNxuSQ_L6Y[/youtube]

[Horny]

sarver face is priceless

[TASTIC]

Yeah I want in on the Goodwin bandwagon nice and early

I see a little Brandon Roy in him too. Not as good a shooter/playmaker but better athlete/defensive potential

God Roy was awesome, such a shame...

[sunskerr]

Wow, looks like he knocked down a couple threes in that highlight video! If he could knock down some of those in the regular season that would be awesome.

[DRK]

Imagine the future possibilities of a Bledsoe-Goodwin backcourt.........

I think I remember in an article that he was still growing. Archie had said that he figured he would end up about 6'8". Does anyone know if this is still true?

He will turn 19 in August. After doing a quick Google search, apparently men stop growing any taller between 21 and 25. So yes, I guess it's possible he could grow to 6'8".

19 next month, his potential is through the roof. What would Phoenix fans or anyone else consider his ceiling, assuming he will be 6'6 for reference? Like I said, he will drive you nuts or amaze you at this point. I am very high on AG.

Ceiling? Prime D-Wade. Especially if we train him as a PG, his handles would improve immensely.

Yes. Ceiling is a Prime Dwyane Wade.

[rsavaj]

Prime Dwayne Wade is a top 5 shooting guard of all time.

Let's cool the hype just a little and see where Goodwin's at in a few years, eh?

[DRK]

Prime Dwayne Wade is a top 5 shooting guard of all time.

Let's cool the hype just a little and see where Goodwin's at in a few years, eh?

Yes yes I know. And I would be the first to tell myself to stop being ridiculous.


However, the kid is 18. He has many many areas in which he already excels at, and areas where he can grow into. I guarantee that 5 years from now the Archie Goodwin we know would be a completely different Archie Goodwin.

He has all the physical tools to be a great, no, fantastic player in this league. He's super aggressive, and he is also super athletic.

Ultimate ceiling, yes Prime Dwyane Wade. Whether he gets there or not is a different story, but I can already see a few similarities in his game to Wade's.

[jcsunsfan]

Prime Dwayne Wade is a top 5 shooting guard of all time.

Let's cool the hype just a little and see where Goodwin's at in a few years, eh?

C'mon. This is part of the fun of having a young team. Dreams and speculation.

[TASTIC]

A 6'8" Wade



I'd be happy if he's a good starter in 5yrs time...29th pick remember

He has a very high ceiling, it'll depend how much he wants it and if he's willing to accept the mistakes along the way.

Brought my cliche book today.

[SUN]

DRK, you're my main butter and egg man, but Dwyane Wade? I kinda see Kevin Martin in his game. The slashing, Kings Martin.

[Revived]

Imagine the future possibilities of a Bledsoe-Goodwin backcourt.........

I think I remember in an article that he was still growing. Archie had said that he figured he would end up about 6'8". Does anyone know if this is still true?

He will turn 19 in August. After doing a quick Google search, apparently men stop growing any taller between 21 and 25. So yes, I guess it's possible he could grow to 6'8".

19 next month, his potential is through the roof. What would Phoenix fans or anyone else consider his ceiling, assuming he will be 6'6 for reference? Like I said, he will drive you nuts or amaze you at this point. I am very high on AG.

I think his ceiling is James Harden with a little less shooting ability than Harden. And I think his floor is Shannon Brown.

[MathiasPW]

Imagine the future possibilities of a Bledsoe-Goodwin backcourt.........




He will turn 19 in August. After doing a quick Google search, apparently men stop growing any taller between 21 and 25. So yes, I guess it's possible he could grow to 6'8".

19 next month, his potential is through the roof. What would Phoenix fans or anyone else consider his ceiling, assuming he will be 6'6 for reference? Like I said, he will drive you nuts or amaze you at this point. I am very high on AG.

I think his ceiling is James Harden with a little less shooting ability than Harden. And I think his floor is Shannon Brown.

18....years...old...

You realize that when making such comparisons, although u write "ceiling" and even if u wrote " 1% chance", in the end that is what you are expecting the kid to become. And if he falls short for a few games, we'll all be pissed and disappointed and so on.

Patience. Let's realize he has a ton of potential. Let's just hope he can contribute for now.

[NapoleonII]

He's obviously still raw, being 18.

My observations.

Athletic enough.

Lots of defensive potential.

Shooting actually looks promosing for a guy who supposedly couldn't shoot.

Aggressive, attacks the basket at will.

Drawing comparisons from here is nice and all, but D-Wade is arguably a top 3 shooting guard of all time. Stylistically maybe. Skill? Too early to count our blessings.

I'm PSYCHED about this kid tho. Sky's the limit.

I see a bit of a young Kobe in him, honestly. Maybe not the handles, but the potential, the presence as an 18 year old, the overall game.

[winstoned]

I think for the 29th pick in the draft and absolute steal. As of now watching the rest of the rookies, who would you take ahead of AG?

[lilfishi22]

He's obviously still raw, being 18.

My observations.

Athletic enough.

Lots of defensive potential.

Shooting actually looks promosing for a guy who supposedly couldn't shoot.

Aggressive, attacks the basket at will.

Drawing comparisons from here is nice and all, but D-Wade is arguably a top 3 shooting guard of all time. Stylistically maybe. Skill? Too early to count our blessings.

I'm PSYCHED about this kid tho. Sky's the limit.

I see a bit of a young Kobe in him, honestly. Maybe not the handles, but the potential, the presence as an 18 year old, the overall game.

His game wasn't as nearly as developed as Kobe's coming out of HS but I can see it.

[SUN]

He's obviously still raw, being 18.

My observations.

Athletic enough.

Lots of defensive potential.

Shooting actually looks promosing for a guy who supposedly couldn't shoot.

Aggressive, attacks the basket at will.

Drawing comparisons from here is nice and all, but D-Wade is arguably a top 3 shooting guard of all time. Stylistically maybe. Skill? Too early to count our blessings.

I'm PSYCHED about this kid tho. Sky's the limit.

I see a bit of a young Kobe in him, honestly. Maybe not the handles, but the potential, the presence as an 18 year old, the overall game.

First Wade, now Kobe....

[mybloodisorange]

I think for the 29th pick in the draft and absolute steal. As of now watching the rest of the rookies, who would you take ahead of AG?

I'm still not sure how he slid all the to the end of the first round. Does anyone know why so many teams passed on him? I look at a handfull of the picks taken before him and can't figure it out. Hopefully it was just him being young and raw.


Does anyone know his downside that caused so many teams to pass on him?

[thamadkant]

I think for the 29th pick in the draft and absolute steal. As of now watching the rest of the rookies, who would you take ahead of AG?

I'm still not sure how he slid all the to the end of the first round. Does anyone know why so many teams passed on him? I look at a handfull of the picks taken before him and can't figure it out. Hopefully it was just him being young and raw.


Does anyone know his downside that caused so many teams to pass on him?

1. I think because he "disappeared" towards the second half of the season.
2. His shooting got worse and when Noel went down, the team suffered and most GMs attributed Goodwin wasnt an impact player... when the guy was 18 years old.
3. I think the Suns was actively trying to buy a pick or move up.... every team until the 26th pick or 29th pick didnt want to trade with Suns... it was just ironic that the Suns only managed to move up 1 to get him... but maybe Suns heard another team was keen on moving up to grab him..... so they took the earliest pick they could get (pick 29) to nab him before the other team did.

[gaspar]

Goodwin: See What Develops
By Danny Chau | TrueHoop Network

LAS VEGAS -- Phoenix Suns rookie guard Archie Goodwin was handed the keys to the offense in the waning minutes of the Suns' 92-84 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Thursday. With second-year point guard Kendall Marshall sitting out after the third, Goodwin was in charge of getting the team into its halfcourt sets in an increasingly intense fourth quarter.

It wasn't pretty. Goodwin's ball control left a lot to be desired -- all three of his turnovers came in the final period. It was bad, but that doesn't matter much. He tried, and the team will continue to ask him to try. At this point in his young career, results aren't nearly as important as the process.

The sooner Goodwin is comfortable with getting his team into quick sets, the sooner he'll find himself in meaningful minutes on the floor. In a recent Grantland interview, Suns coach Jeff Hornacek deemphasized the importance of designating all point guard duties to a single player. Suns guards Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe, who seem likely to see the court together often, are imperfect point guards, but could find harmony in the new system. If Goodwin, a lifelong shooting guard, can develop some of these skills, he'll likely fit right into Phoenix's cast of interchangeable parts. He clearly has a ways to go, though.

It seems wrong to criticize Goodwin. After all, at 18 (he doesn't turn 19 for another month), he's the youngest player in summer league -- too young to gamble, and much too young to understand how to effectively run a team in the halfcourt. Goodwin is the latest Russell Westbrook acolyte, a player who plays a reckless, almost dangerous game.

Like Westbrook, he might be able to get away with it one day. He certainly looks the part of a star, with arms and legs and athletic ability for days. Goodwin's unconscious drives to the rim are often unsuccessful in practice, but irresistible in theory. Watching Goodwin struggle with consistency throughout the week, one left to wonder how good he can be once he learns how to play the game.

[Revived]

19 next month, his potential is through the roof. What would Phoenix fans or anyone else consider his ceiling, assuming he will be 6'6 for reference? Like I said, he will drive you nuts or amaze you at this point. I am very high on AG.

I think his ceiling is James Harden with a little less shooting ability than Harden. And I think his floor is Shannon Brown.

18....years...old...

You realize that when making such comparisons, although u write "ceiling" and even if u wrote " 1% chance", in the end that is what you are expecting the kid to become. And if he falls short for a few games, we'll all be pissed and disappointed and so on.

Patience. Let's realize he has a ton of potential. Let's just hope he can contribute for now.

I'm not expecting Goodwin to become as good as Harden. I'm just saying that if everything goes right and according to plan, then he can be as good as Harden.

But as we know from life, how often does that happen?

I wouldn't be disappointed and pissed off if Goodwin absolutely sucked his rookie season. The kid is 18. He's not strong enough, he doesn't know how to dribble with his left hand and he still doesn't know when to shoot and when to drive. Of course these are things he can eventually learn and that's what I expect from him...to learn.

Only way I would be pissed off with Goodwin is that if it looks like he's not improving/learning and/or if he clashes with Hornacek. He reportedly has a bit of a coaching problem so if that were to continue to the NBA, then I will definitely be bagging on the kid.

But from everything I have seen and heard, he's seemed to have learned and matured a lot. I think he's pretty humble now and let's hope it stays that way.