2014 Draft Thread

RunDogGun · Post #101 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:39 pm

Frank, "Griffin"?

Frank Lee · Post #102 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:53 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Frank, "Griffin"?

whoops ... fixed that..... a bit of weedziemers kicking in :wink:

but I bet he could 'ball' too

RunDogGun · Post #103 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:08 pm

For a moment I thought we got the great and powerful Taylor back on the roster.

Durins Baynes · Post #104 » by **Durins Baynes** » Fri Oct 4, 2013 9:38 am

Ryu wrote:Exam and Smart aren`t enticing to me with Bledsoe, Dragic and Goodwin on board.

Parker or Randle, on the other hand, would be a forward tailor made for our team.

Those 3 guys are not players who should even be a consideration when deciding on a pick which will effectively determine who you build your franchise around. It would be like the 2003 Nuggets saying "yeh, we like Melo, but will he fit next to Rodney White and Tskita?" Who cares, he's Carmelo Anthony, and they're some no names who pretty much every team can find on the free agency market. I promise, the Cavs weren't wavering on picking Lebron because he wouldn't fit next to Darius Miles and Ricky Davis.

The Suns thus far have very little concrete to build their team around. There are a bunch of maybes, and that's it. Len might be good, or he might not. Bledsoe might be an above average starter, or he might not. Goodwin might be an NBA bench warmer, or he might be playing in Europe in 3 years time. There's nothing on the Suns team right now that you can't find on any NBA team, even the Bobcats in recent years have had pieces as promising (or more promising) than Dragic or Bledsoe. If your GM is thinking about those guys for a second when making this pick, he's stuffed up.

The good news is, I doubt he is. The better news is that this is a stacked, top heavy draft, and you'll have a great chance of walking away with a future star to build around.

RunDogGun · Post #105 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Oct 4, 2013 6:59 pm

Man trolls are stupid!

Frank Lee · Post #106 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Oct 4, 2013 7:05 pm

Durins 'line in the water looking for a nibble' Bayness wrote:.......
.......... Goodwin might be an NBA bench warmer, or he might be playing in Europe in 3 years time. There's nothing on the Suns team right now that you can't find on any NBA team, even the Bobcats in recent years have had pieces as promising (or more promising) than Dragic or Bledsoe. ..........

I would easily bet you Goodwin will not be playing in Europe.... ever. And I doubt he ends up as a 'bench warmer' as your 'best case' scene scene predicts.

You might as well make that statement about any and all rooks picked this yr.

Durins Baynes · Post #107 » by **Durins Baynes** » Fri Oct 4, 2013 11:58 pm

Every year there are X many busts in the 1st round. And not just at the bottom of the 1st round, however as you get closer to the bottom of the 1st the chances your guy will be a bust increase. You got the 2nd last pick in the first round in a weak draft, but you know he won't ever end up in Europe, or out of the NBA, how? That's not something you actually can bet on, because it'll take too long for the results to come in, but the idea you can be sure about anything RE: Goodwin is pretty silly in itself. He was the 2nd last pick of the first round. Sure things don't fall that far in weak drafts.

Maystack · Post #108 » by **Maystack** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:02 am

Yay, it's this guy again.

Frank Lee · Post #109 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:25 am

Durins 'my little worm is on my hook' Baynes wrote:Every year there are X many busts in the 1st round. And not just at the bottom of the 1st round, however as you get closer to the bottom of the 1st the chances your guy will be a bust increase. You got the 2nd last pick in the first round in a weak draft, but you know he won't ever end up in Europe, or out of the NBA, how? That's not something you actually can bet on, because it'll take too long for the results to come in, but the idea you can be sure about anything RE: Goodwin is pretty silly in itself. He was the 2nd last pick of the first round. Sure things don't fall that far in weak drafts.

So therefore you CAN say that about any draft pick from last yr. You can't have it both ways. And it doesn't take too long. You can bet on anything. You claim he'll be in europe I said he won't... that in itself won't happen for 3 yrs purely by contractual reasons but it is still a realistic wager if you are so bold to predict it. Wake up peewee.

I don't think you have researched the numbers well enough to make such a cheek showing claim. You are comments are predictably obvious down playing Goodwin's chances, when stats likely show he has as much chance as any player drafted in the top 5-40 range of players. I am not a stat guy, but its not hard to see through your wet tshirt at the nipple-less comments you make.

Cutter · Post #110 » by **Cutter** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:38 am

Frank Lee wrote:
Durins 'my little worm is on my hook' Baynes wrote:Every year there are X many busts in the 1st round. And not just at the bottom of the 1st round, however as you get closer to the bottom of the 1st the chances your guy will be a bust increase. You got the 2nd last pick in the first round in a weak draft, but you know he won't ever end up in Europe, or out of the NBA, how? That's not something you actually can bet on, because it'll take too long for the results to come in, but the idea you can be sure about anything RE: Goodwin is pretty silly in itself. He was the 2nd last pick of the first round. Sure things don't fall that far in weak drafts.

...........I am not a stat guy, but its not hard to see through your wet tshirt at the nipple-less comments you make.

Frank, you again make some of the wittiest comments on the board. This one is classic and will go down as one of your best!

RunDogGun · Post #111 » by **RunDogGun** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 1:42 am

Cutter wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:
Durins 'my little worm is on my hook' Baynes wrote:Every year there are X many busts in the 1st round. And not just at the bottom of the 1st round, however as you get closer to the bottom of the 1st the chances your guy will be a bust increase. You got the 2nd last pick in the first round in a weak draft, but you know he won't ever end up in Europe, or out of the NBA, how? That's not something you actually can bet on, because it'll take too long for the results to come in, but the idea you can be sure about anything RE: Goodwin is pretty silly in itself. He was the 2nd last pick of the first round. Sure things don't fall that far in weak drafts.

...........I am not a stat guy, but its not hard to see through your wet tshirt at the nipple-less comments you make.

Frank, you again make some of the wittiest comments on the board. This one is classic and will go down as one of your best!

Now I can't get that Kingpin scene out of my head. :lol:

Durins Baynes · Post #112 » by **Durins Baynes** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 1:46 am

Goodwin has shown nothing at this point to suggest he was drafted wrongly. Until he does, it should be assumed he is not good. Instead you guys seem to be doing the opposite, acting like a guy drafted #29 in a weak draft is a part of your future core. It's not sensible.

Post #113 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 2:32 am

Durins Baynes wrote:Goodwin has shown nothing at this point to suggest he was drafted wrongly. Until he does, it should be assumed he is not good. Instead you guys seem to be doing the opposite, acting like a guy drafted #29 in a weak draft is a part of your future core. It's not sensible.

I think he will be good. But it will be a case of shows some flashes this year but struggles a bit, next year shows improvement and starts to look like a solid bench guy, and hopefully by year three he is a guy that is a starter quality or good sixth man type.

gaspar · Post #114 » by **gaspar** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 7:15 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqAIKCLseYU[/youtube]

Ryu · Post #115 » by **Ryu** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:09 pm

Oh man, imagine Bledsoe, Goodwin and Wiggins flying down the court. That would be the most exciting team in the league.

When NCAA season starts? Cannot wait enough for it.

DRK · Post #116 » by **DRK** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:44 pm

Durins Baynes wrote:Goodwin has shown nothing at this point to suggest he was drafted wrongly. Until he does, it should be assumed he is not good. Instead you guys seem to be doing the opposite, acting like a guy drafted #29 in a weak draft is a part of your future core. It's not sensible.

If a rookie isn't in a team's plans to be part of your "future core" what is the point of the NBA Draft then? Teams, especially teams with low picks, draft players with the mindset that the player would develop into a serviceable player in the future, and do not place heavy expectations on rookies right off the bat. So yes, you could say that Goodwin is "not good" right now, if you really really wanted to.

That is where development on potential comes in; a concept you obviously know nothing about.

Durins Baynes · Post #117 » by **Durins Baynes** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 12:52 pm

Low picks can become assets, just like a lottery ticket can become an asset. But the odds are low, so you shouldn't assume it will realise it's potential value, unless there are good reasons for that assumption. Goodwin has given us no good reasons to assume otherwise thus far, other than being photogenic and athletic.

Post #118 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 2:18 pm

Durins Baynes wrote:Low picks can become assets, just like a lottery ticket can become an asset. But the odds are low, so you shouldn't assume it will realise it's potential value, unless there are good reasons for that assumption. Goodwin has given us no good reasons to assume otherwise thus far, other than being photogenic and athletic.

Well the only thing we could probably judge him on so far since the draft is the Summer League, where he did very well.

Post #119 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 3:01 pm

Durins Baynes wrote:
Ryu wrote:Exam and Smart aren`t enticing to me with Bledsoe, Dragic and Goodwin on board.

Parker or Randle, on the other hand, would be a forward tailor made for our team.

Those 3 guys are not players who should even be a consideration when deciding on a pick which will effectively determine who you build your franchise around. It would be like the 2003 Nuggets saying "yeh, we like Melo, but will he fit next to Rodney White and Tskita?" Who cares, he's Carmelo Anthony, and they're some no names who pretty much every team can find on the free agency market. I promise, the Cavs weren't wavering on picking Lebron because he wouldn't fit next to Darius Miles and Ricky Davis.

The Suns thus far have very little concrete to build their team around. There are a bunch of maybes, and that's it. Len might be good, or he might not. Bledsoe might be an above average starter, or he might not. Goodwin might be an NBA bench warmer, or he might be playing in Europe in 3 years time. There's nothing on the Suns team right now that you can't find on any NBA team, even the Bobcats in recent years have had pieces as promising (or more promising) than Dragic or Bledsoe. If your GM is thinking about those guys for a second when making this pick, he's stuffed up.

The good news is, I doubt he is. The better news is that this is a stacked, top heavy draft, and you'll have a great chance of walking away with a future star to build around.

Didn't the Detroit Pistons have the No 2 pick and chose to skip out on Melo because they had drafted Tayshaun Prince the year before?

Fo-Real · Post #120 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Oct 5, 2013 5:15 pm

Baynes is not on this boards long term plans. Go wash your mouth out..... with a revolver. Lol.... just kidding............ I wasn't kidding,