The TJ Warren Thread!

Post #101 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:10 am

LukasBMW wrote:I have not been able to watch summer league.

How is Warren doing compared to the other hyped up rookies? Is he really one of the top players in summer league?

Yes, go to the summer league thread and there is a youtube video of his highlights. Also nba.com is supposed to have a rookie ladder ranking or something...haven't checked it out but I think it is nba.com/rookieladder

Actually just found it http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/15/rook ... index.html

MrMiyagi · Post #102 » by **MrMiyagi** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:10 am

PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Loved TJ's production in the first game. He just seems to score easily. He is playing just like he did in college. He seems to have the ability to play his game regardless of the competition (so far). I am trying to not get too optimistic, but I have watched alot of rookies in summer league over the years and this kid has something in the way he carries himself. Its not arrogant, its not hesitant. He just know who he is and is going to go out and do it no matter who he plays against.

I like that he's a quiet, do his job type player. Shows no emotion really, doesn't like the camera or spotlight, just likes to go to work and put in the work. LOVE players like that.

His scoring habits are definitely unique and we'll see how the transition to the NBA against C's such as DeAndre Jordan, Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler, etc, but he's shooting almost 60% in summer league and with the exception of his 2pt injury game, he'd be averaging over 20ppg on 60% shooting. Pretty incredible.

I hope he starts to find open teammates when he starts running into traffic. I'd take that skill over a 3 point shot right now.

LukasBMW · Post #103 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:03 am

bwgood77 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:I have not been able to watch summer league.

How is Warren doing compared to the other hyped up rookies? Is he really one of the top players in summer league?

Yes, go to the summer league thread and there is a youtube video of his highlights. Also nba.com is supposed to have a rookie ladder ranking or something...haven't checked it out but I think it is nba.com/rookieladder

Actually just found it http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/15/rook ... index.html

Gotta love the fact that he is ranked so high.

I wonder if he can take over the starting job from PJ Tucker?

jcsunsfan · Post #104 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 am

83 pts and 3 turnovers in 92 minutes of pt in summer league. The thing that has to encourage is the consistency. Yes it's summer league. But he is not throwing up a million bricks to make those points. Good grief, we are fans, why not get a little excited about good performances in summer league? Enjoy life a bit.

It's about as good as you could hope for SL.

NaturalBuns · Post #105 » by **NaturalBuns** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 am

LukasBMW wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:I have not been able to watch summer league.

How is Warren doing compared to the other hyped up rookies? Is he really one of the top players in summer league?

Yes, go to the summer league thread and there is a youtube video of his highlights. Also nba.com is supposed to have a rookie ladder ranking or something...haven't checked it out but I think it is nba.com/rookieladder

Actually just found it http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/15/rook ... index.html

Gotta love the fact that he is ranked so high.

I wonder if he can take over the starting job from PJ Tucker?

I doubt it maybe if Bledsoe doesn't return.
Bledsoe/Dragic have the ball all the time they are looking to score or penetrate and kick.
Tucker is currently the better spot up shooter and Gerald Green.

I think he for sure cracks rotation nightly though

Post #106 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:15 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:I have not been able to watch summer league.

How is Warren doing compared to the other hyped up rookies? Is he really one of the top players in summer league?

Yes, go to the summer league thread and there is a youtube video of his highlights. Also nba.com is supposed to have a rookie ladder ranking or something...haven't checked it out but I think it is nba.com/rookieladder

Actually just found it http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/15/rook ... index.html

Gotta love the fact that he is ranked so high.

I wonder if he can take over the starting job from PJ Tucker?

I kind of doubt it this year, but the guy watching him grow up Raleighsomething said he believed he would by the end of the year.

That second unit should have some serious scoring power though IT, Green, Warren, Mook, Tolliver, Len?

NTB · Post #107 » by **NTB** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:27 pm

TJ Warren raised up to 3rd spot.

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/17/rook ... index.html

mybloodisorange · Post #108 » by **mybloodisorange** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:02 pm

Looks like we finally got lucky in the draft!

SunZel · Post #109 » by **SunZel** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:44 pm

Just remembered who TJ reminded me of...Joe Johnson without the range

Post #110 » by **ATTL** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:24 pm

JJ was a pretty adept ball handler but they do have that same smoothness to their games.

Revived · Post #111 » by **Revived** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:57 pm

Warren has a nice mid range jumper, I hope he utilizes more.

One thing that's hard to teach is soft touch around the rim and Warren already has that.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #112 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:00 pm

ATTL wrote:JJ was a pretty adept ball handler but they do have that same smoothness to their games.

I agree with that, and neither is terribly athletic, but TJ is a much more aggressive and gifted scorer. JJ was a better defender. But I was never a huge fan of JJ's game, even when it warranted appreciation.

Saberestar · Post #113 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:08 pm

I was thinking about our young players in the last 10 years (10 years!!!) and Warren is the only one that have real Star potential in him, his game is very special and his motor is unexpected.
I know that Summer League is not an exact science determining player's future, but normally the better prospects play very well.
I am very happy with his adquisition, and I think that we have a 20 point scorer in this league for a ton of years.

mybloodisorange · Post #114 » by **mybloodisorange** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:08 pm

I like that smoothness, toughness and scoring ability seem innate with TJ at such a young age. The kid is not greedy with the ball while being an extremely efficient scorer himself. Don't underrate the PJ/TJ small forward pairing for versatility! I think they are going to tear it up. 8-)

Plus you guys know what Warren is going to have to go through after riding the plane home with Tucker after losses. Kind of makes you not want to not take any plays off the next game

jcsunsfan · Post #115 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:23 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
ATTL wrote:JJ was a pretty adept ball handler but they do have that same smoothness to their games.

I agree with that, and neither is terribly athletic, but TJ is a much more aggressive and gifted scorer. JJ was a better defender. But I was never a huge fan of JJ's game, even when it warranted appreciation.

JJ was a guard, TJ clearly is a forward. You learn nothing about defense from summer league. Horny said that the think about Warren that impressed them most in individual workouts was his defense. I do know that Horny knows what good D looks like after playing and coaching under Sloan for so long.

Its really funny with all the analytics and measurements leading up to the draft, that sometimes teams just get too cute. Its like they forget about actual production.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #116 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:07 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
ATTL wrote:JJ was a pretty adept ball handler but they do have that same smoothness to their games.

I agree with that, and neither is terribly athletic, but TJ is a much more aggressive and gifted scorer. JJ was a better defender. But I was never a huge fan of JJ's game, even when it warranted appreciation.

JJ was a guard, TJ clearly is a forward. You learn nothing about defense from summer league. Horny said that the think about Warren that impressed them most in individual workouts was his defense. I do know that Horny knows what good D looks like after playing and coaching under Sloan for so long.

Its really funny with all the analytics and measurements leading up to the draft, that sometimes teams just get too cute. Its like they forget about actual production.

I mean, we can all talk about hindsight, but yeah, actual production often seems to be forgotten. I remember in past drafts looking at players who were much better than where they were picked and noticing how, often, their numbers were much better than a lot of guys who got picked ahead of them. This year, I saw Tony Buckets's numbers, the descriptions, the videos, and thought, here is an obvious case of a guy being underrated for no good reason. I searched out reasons why he was rated so low, and heard a lot "he can't shoot." I thought it was BS. Now here we are. There were some others around here who really on board with him, but I pimped him hard, said we should be thankful if he's available at 14, and thus far, there's no reason to think he can't be one of or the best player(s) in this draft.

It's a good lesson. I'm just gonna keep patting myself on the back about this one. But I was far from the only one around here who liked him. IIRC, you were also on board, as was Kerrsed, and Ryu... can't remember everyone, but there was a contingent.

Krush32 · Post #117 » by **Krush32** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:32 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
I agree with that, and neither is terribly athletic, but TJ is a much more aggressive and gifted scorer. JJ was a better defender. But I was never a huge fan of JJ's game, even when it warranted appreciation.

JJ was a guard, TJ clearly is a forward. You learn nothing about defense from summer league. Horny said that the think about Warren that impressed them most in individual workouts was his defense. I do know that Horny knows what good D looks like after playing and coaching under Sloan for so long.

Its really funny with all the analytics and measurements leading up to the draft, that sometimes teams just get too cute. Its like they forget about actual production.

I mean, we can all talk about hindsight, but yeah, actual production often seems to be forgotten. I remember in past drafts looking at players who were much better than where they were picked and noticing how, often, their numbers were much better than a lot of guys who got picked ahead of them. This year, I saw Tony Buckets's numbers, the descriptions, the videos, and thought, here is an obvious case of a guy being underrated for no good reason. I searched out reasons why he was rated so low, and heard a lot "he can't shoot." I thought it was BS. Now here we are. There were some others around here who really on board with him, but I pimped him hard, said we should be thankful if he's available at 14, and thus far, there's no reason to think he can't be one of or the best player(s) in this draft.

It's a good lesson. I'm just gonna keep patting myself on the back about this one. But I was far from the only one around here who liked him. IIRC, you were also on board, as was Kerrsed, and Ryu... can't remember everyone, but there was a contingent.

I was there too. Idk if i can find my old post but I was thinking the same thing. Why the hell is he being rated soo low? I think its because he has an old school game and people are used to the super athletic stars nowadays. He is one of those old Larry Bird/Bernard King type scorers that has an arsenal of moves and has the stength to get a shot off after contact. After the shot goes up he transforms into Dennis Rodman on the offensive glass if people havent noticed yet. Ive seen him get boards in a crowd of three big men and still have the strength to get off a decent shot.

Btw, his shot is nice! People say he cant shoot but only pay attention to his 3 pt percentage. He is midrange is close to automatic if hes open and and still on point with a defender on him. That drive to the hoop against Shabazz the other day where pulled a 360 spin, step back was amazing. I think I had to pick up my jaw off the ground after that one.

SunZel · Post #118 » by **SunZel** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:49 pm

People were not on the warren bandwagon because it was thought he couldn't defend the perimeter. That was the reason i wasn't totally on board before what hornacek said. We needed defense more so than offense at the wing.

Krush32 · Post #119 » by **Krush32** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Found it!

Thu Jun 5, 2014 4:50 am by Krush32

"I been thinking about this for weeks but I think I finally came to a decision...

Give me TJ Warren at #14

I think he's the most skilled player in the draft right next to Parker and Mcderrmot. He can score on the high post, coming off screens, cutting to the hoop, and slashing. His mid range game is the best in the draft. He reminds me of Paul Pierce or Joe Johnson where he can find ways to score without being super athletic. People say he is a horrible defender but he averaged more steals than Parker, Wiggins, Gordon, Hood, and Mcdermot. He jumps the passing lanes and he flourishes in transition. Almost and automatic scorer in transition. I think im in Love."

jcsunsfan · Post #120 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
I agree with that, and neither is terribly athletic, but TJ is a much more aggressive and gifted scorer. JJ was a better defender. But I was never a huge fan of JJ's game, even when it warranted appreciation.

JJ was a guard, TJ clearly is a forward. You learn nothing about defense from summer league. Horny said that the think about Warren that impressed them most in individual workouts was his defense. I do know that Horny knows what good D looks like after playing and coaching under Sloan for so long.

Its really funny with all the analytics and measurements leading up to the draft, that sometimes teams just get too cute. Its like they forget about actual production.

I mean, we can all talk about hindsight, but yeah, actual production often seems to be forgotten. I remember in past drafts looking at players who were much better than where they were picked and noticing how, often, their numbers were much better than a lot of guys who got picked ahead of them. This year, I saw Tony Buckets's numbers, the descriptions, the videos, and thought, here is an obvious case of a guy being underrated for no good reason. I searched out reasons why he was rated so low, and heard a lot "he can't shoot." I thought it was BS. Now here we are. There were some others around here who really on board with him, but I pimped him hard, said we should be thankful if he's available at 14, and thus far, there's no reason to think he can't be one of or the best player(s) in this draft.

It's a good lesson. I'm just gonna keep patting myself on the back about this one. But I was far from the only one around here who liked him. IIRC, you were also on board, as was Kerrsed, and Ryu... can't remember everyone, but there was a contingent.

Count me as in on him since day 1. Its not often I get it right, so I will take the credit when I do. If he can develop a little consistency out the three point line (34% or better) he will be VERY effective.