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Post #101 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:05 am

AtheJ415 wrote:What assets. We'd be giving up Tyson freaking Chandler.

Tyson freaking Chandler wouldn't get the deal done (at least based on my limited CBA knowledge).

Post #102 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:11 am

saintEscaton wrote:Whiteside doesn't want to be the face of a losing franchise, he's ain't coming here even if we wanted him

What if we told him he doesn't have to be the face? Booker can be the face, and he can be in the background of the losing franchise?

NavLDO · Post #103 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:12 am

JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Alex Len is not part of our core.

People are always jumping the gun.

How about we draft Skal at 12/13 and groom him to be another Chandler.

But heaven forbid, should one decide to support Len on this forum! He's not in the same stratosphere as Gobert or Noel. Oh, and he's consistently injured, too!

I mean, he's played 16 games less than Gobert...oh wait, he's played MORE games? Uh, well, I mean he's played 4 games less than Noel...oh, wait, wrong on that one, too? as well.

Yet, had McD taken one of those two instead, then he'd have been wrong, somehow. And considering 20 some-odd teams passed on Gobert as well, I find it difficult to blame McD on missing out on him.

Not to mention Len has played as many games across his career as Gobert (169) and 40 games more than Noel (129), yet he seems to always be picked on by our fans for being constantly 'dinged up'.

OK, have to stop here, as I've had more complaints about my long posts than McD and Len on everything, combined!

Point made, right or wrong.

dremill24 · Post #104 » by **dremill24** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:27 am

I feel like I'm reading the same whiny posts every day from this guy

AtheJ415 · Post #105 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:28 am

batsmasher wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:What assets. We'd be giving up Tyson freaking Chandler.

Tyson freaking Chandler wouldn't get the deal done (at least based on my limited CBA knowledge).

We have at least $20 mill in cap space. They have $48 mil in active contracts and $52 mil in cap holds. They could easily do it by managing the cap holds. Not saying they would, but it is very possible.

RunDogGun · Post #106 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:29 am

batsmasher wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:What is different that is allowing Len to play so much better?
I'm starting to not regret having him over Noel anymore. A double double in the second quarter?

Ball touches + confidence.

His ball touches are finally giving him confidence in the post and his play is getting him more of the ball.

AtheJ415 · Post #107 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:32 am

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Whiteside doesn't want to be the face of a losing franchise, he's ain't coming here even if we wanted him

What if we told him he doesn't have to be the face? Booker can be the face, and he can be in the background of the losing franchise?

I think he'll want to stay in Miami, but they won't be able to keep him without getting rid of guys they would rather have. We'll see. I don't particularly care if we get him. I do think he's the best available C and the only one that fits our age group (27, but not many miles at that age). But as far as our Miami picks go, I really hope he leaves to go somewhere. I feel like he's the type to go to a flashy city like LA or NY though. Maybe Houston (not flashy, but 4th biggest in the US and may be moving on from Dwightmare).

I have no doubt they would've traded him if they had his bird rights. He had no value without them.

NavLDO · Post #108 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:46 am

saintEscaton wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsjy_q08caM[/youtube]

Oh boy, we got really lucky here with Booker. I'm glad how wrong I was about him.

Yeah I'm glady eating crow. McD's golden goose, could be his saving grace that will keep him employed

Well, that and Len's 13 double-doubles (going on 5 straight, now), 8.5/7.0 stat line on 21 MPG, and continual--yes, continual--improvement of his game from year to year. Plus Warren developing into at worst, our starting SF of the future by next season, and Goodwn looking like a possible '6th Man', and well, about a dozen other good transactions by McD...

But yeah, I'm eating a bit of crow as well on Booker. I was never against Booker personally, really, just disappointed about taking a Guard. But with Bledsoe and Knight out, he's really turned out to be a shining beacon, along with Len, amongst all the other junk that's transpired in this pitifully poor season (Hornacek firing, Kieff's whiny butt, losing our top 3 PG options for a good period of the season, thus focing us to 'tank'...etc...).

Mr Puddles · Post #109 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:55 am

NavLDO wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Alex Len is not part of our core.

People are always jumping the gun.

How about we draft Skal at 12/13 and groom him to be another Chandler.

But heaven forbid, should one decide to support Len on this forum! He's not in the same stratosphere as Gobert or Noel. Oh, and he's consistently injured, too!

I mean, he's played 16 games less than Gobert...oh wait, he's played MORE games? Uh, well, I mean he's played 4 games less than Noel...oh, wait, wrong on that one, too? as well.

Yet, had McD taken one of those two instead, then he'd have been wrong, somehow. And considering 20 some-odd teams passed on Gobert as well, I find it difficult to blame McD on missing out on him.

Not to mention Len has played as many games across his career as Gobert (169) and 40 games more than Noel (129), yet he seems to always be picked on by our fans for being constantly 'dinged up'.

OK, have to stop here, as I've had more complaints about my long posts than McD and Len on everything, combined!

Point made, right or wrong.

People forget that Len was always drafted as a long term prospect. Look up his draft profile:

Draft express
Strenghts: Major upside. https://youtu.be/Fbn5U7aI2Ng?t=45s
Weaknesses: unpolished offensively. https://youtu.be/Fbn5U7aI2Ng?t=10m48s

We can't have it both ways. Most people here seem to be in favor of drafting high upside players, and then start complaining when these guys don't start producing right away.

Post #110 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:00 am

Mike Schmitz was infatuated with Len (like top 2 or 3 talent). DraftExpress rarely get it wrong.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #111 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:10 am

Can Booker play as our PG? Amazed at his overall skill set development.

Last 10 Games:
Alex Len - 28 minutes, 17 points, 11 rebounds.

Effeciency will only get better (O-Rating better than Knight already), and can get a few more blocks as well (Advanced Block Stats 3% down from 5% last year).

NavLDO · Post #112 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:12 am

dremill24 wrote:I feel like I'm reading the same whiny posts every day from this guy

Would you be talking about me???

If so...tell you what:

You get those that make the same whiny posts every game about Len, McD, Knight, Kieff, the LAL pick, our new shade of purple or orange or grey, oh, and my new favorite...WINNING!! And god knows what else there is to 'whine' about on this team, etc., and I'll stop whining about them, whining about everything else that is the Suns. Does that sound fair to you!?!?!

Also, I'd like to see you provide any posts of me whining about anything that is the Suns, their players, McD, etc...because I'd LOVE to come here and not see whining about every little thing on this team, and oh, I don't know, maybe whine about poor refereeing, or other teams, players, or media.

Funny that you would complain about a poster that's 'calling out' others for whining about the Suns...you must be one of those that enjoy whining about the Suns, or maybe it's that you enjoy reading about whining about the Suns.

If you aren't talking about me, and are instead whining about those whining about the team, then welcome aboard!

Post #113 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:12 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Can Booker play as our PG?

Amazed at his overall skill set development.

Probably a step too slow to ever be a PG.

But my goodness he is an orgasmic prospect at the 2. In control, can put it on the floor, good vision, silky jumper, determined.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #114 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:25 am

I saw him today as the main ball handler at the top of our half court sets. It would be good to help his all round game to have him get his passing game going, maybe he can become a 4-5 Assist type player.

All Star Potential:
- Booker (SG) 20 Points, 4 Assists, 3 Rebounds
- Len (C) 16 Points, 12 Rebounds, 2 Blocks
- Warren (SF) 20 Points, 5 Rebounds

If we set up the team next year as the 1,2,3 with the same focus Watson this year, they could push and come those numbers even as rookies.

saintEscaton · Post #115 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:29 am

Booker yes, he can become a Top 5 SG in a couple of years behind Harden, Butler, Klay, probably taking Beal's spot if he can't stay healthy. Len I don't think so, he will be an above average starting center at a scarce posiiton but KAT, Cousins and M.Gasol are in a league of ttheir own and have have it locked up

AtheJ415 · Post #116 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:29 am

[quote="Mulhollanddrive"]I saw him today as the main ball handler at the top of our half court sets. It would be good to help his all round game to have him get his passing game going, maybe he can become a 4-5 Assist type player.

All Star Potential:
Booker 20 Points, 4 Assists, 3 Rebounds
Len 16 Points, 12 Rebounds, 2 Blocks[/quote

And the thing is Warren arguably should be in that group as well. He's the most efficient scorer in his draft class. The key for him and Booker is defensive development. Len already is a 2 way player, and at worst he's an average starter in this league imo. At best he's an all-star. For as much attention as the other bigs in that class get, he's the only one who can impact the game on both offense and defense imo.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #117 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:30 am

I agree on Warren, just included him as well.

Best points per minute out of the 3.

AtheJ415 · Post #118 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:31 am

saintEscaton wrote:Booker yes, he can become a Top 5 SG in a couple of years behind Harden, Butler, Klay, probably taking Beal's spot if he can;t stay healthy. Len I don't think so, he will be an above league average starting center but KAT, Cousins and M.Gasol have have it locked up

Gasol's really old. I wouldn't consider him as competition. Really the way to look at it imo is to look at guys who are better at the same age or younger. Right now there's Towns, Gobert, and Okafor as competition.

SC923 · Post #119 » by **SC923** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 3:35 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
batsmasher wrote:If only Tyson was 10 years younger. I'd love to see what this frontcourt could actually do.

If Phoenix intends to use Len at the 4 going forward, we should either draft a C to replace Tyson and trade him this offseason, or include him in a sign and trade for Whiteside, who is 27 and better, and who Miami doesn't seem to want to keep and likely can't due to their cap situation.

Jakob Poeltl

oddity · Post #120 » by **oddity** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 4:24 am

batsmasher wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:What is different that is allowing Len to play so much better?
I'm starting to not regret having him over Noel anymore. A double double in the second quarter?

Ball touches + confidence.

His ball touches are finally giving him confidence in the post and his play is getting him more of the ball.

Not to mention his jumpshot is improving to the extent where he can take those face up-js without it being a negative. Defenders have to step up on him and that gives him the ability to fake/drive to the rim. I don't think Len's scoring w/ his back to the basket will ever be anything above average, but his faceup game is looking really promising!