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Post#101 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:01 am

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GMATCallahan wrote:... plus the fact that Horford turns thirty in June.

I have always liked Horford, but his athleticism is waning and he hardly seems to jump any more. He could be the missing piece for some team, but the Suns are far from being that team.

And why would he want to play for Phoenix, anyway? A guy like him will be looking to win a ring, not join a 23-win team that has not made the playoffs in years.


Granted, there are not going to be too many FAs who will want to play for Phoenix.... but to think McMully wont try to obtain a guy like Horford ignores what he has said in the past, and what he did last yr. BTW... LMA is 30. Perhaps McMully will have better luck trading for his superstar. You are right, one guy wont make the difference, but with money to spend and some expendable assets, he wont be shy, and no doubt will try to do more than his sister-kissing history.

Would you scoff at a KLove acquisition too ?


... not scoffing at any of these ideas. However, the Suns need to build in a patient and deliberate manner, and perhaps McDonough has learned that lesson after the last two summers.
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Post#102 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:29 am

Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

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Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.
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Post#103 » by Puff » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:20 am

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Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

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Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.


He certainly is not our only problem but I think I have plenty of support on my side of the fence. He is a lousy shooter and playmaker as well as an over rated defender. He can't finish on the break and makes poor decisions. Most teams have an athletic freak at the 3 that are very good shooters and or finishers or lock down defenders.

If he is the lock down defender some suggest I would love to see the stats to back it up. If he is then I will eat the proverbial crow. With the injuries and the poor roster we sported this season he had to be played.

If we ever expect to be relevant going forward with him starting at the 3, we are dreaming.

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Post#104 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:52 am

When Watson talked about playing Bled, Knight, and Booker together, he did not mention STARTING them together did he? I got the impression it was a potential option for certain scenarios. Was I reading into it?


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Post#105 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:That game 5 in 95 where Barkley went 1-13 in the second half and 1-6 from the line, and we STILL put it into OT mostly on the back of KJ and his 29, 8 and 8 on 59% shooting, was one of, if not THE most disappointing games as a Suns fan.


I remember watching the end of the game back then—it was excruciating, especially seeing Barkley miss free throw after free throw.

I viewed the game again about six years ago, and there was one sequence involving Kevin Johnson in the first quarter that needs to be noted. Barkley, playing loosely or sloppily (although he shot 7-9 from the field in the first half before falling apart after halftime) threw a bounce pass behind Joe Kleine's feet that Kenny Smith picked off for a seemingly easy and uncontested breakaway score. (Smith, after all, was one of the fastest guards in the open floor with the ball.) However, K.J. chased Smith down, rose up, and swatted Smith's layup attempt—without fouling—while keeping the ball in bounds as the Houston point guard crumpled to the floor. K.J. then picked up the ball and headed back in the other direction along the right side of the court, eyeing a posting A.C. Green on the right block. However, K.J. never really wanted to get the ball to Green. Instead, he wanted to hit Wesley Person high on the left wing, but he also wanted to draw Hakeem Olajuwon away from the left side of the court so that Olajuwon—whose combination of lateral quickness and wingspan allowed him to cover one side of the floor almost instantly—could not effectively challenge a three-point attempt by Person. Thus K.J. made a hand gesture of some sort indicating that he wanted to get the ball to Green—reminiscent of Dan Marino's famous fake-spike six months earlier:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSCfvrwR8uA[/youtube]

Once K.J. made that hand gesture, Olajuwon headed over to the right side in anticipation of helping on Green. Instantly, K.J. snapped the ball across the court to a now fully freed Person for a wide-open three, which he buried. In a span of a few seconds, K.J. almost single-handedly fostered a five-point swing, combining physical and mental brilliance. He showed that Russell Westbrook-style athleticism yet also his cerebral quality that rendered him one of the smartest players ever.

bwgood77 wrote:After taking the first two games by a combined 46 points, and stealing game 4 in Houston, they were ripe for the taking.


... plus the fact that Clyde Drexler was ill and scored just 4 points in 32 minutes of action, shooting 0-6 from the field and 4-8 from the foul line to go along with 2 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 turnovers.

bwgood77 wrote:You are right that the ball needed to go through KJ in the 4th, and fatigue likely played a part with Barkley, but as good as he was in the regular season and some playoff games, he really felt like a choker when it was finally time to close the deal in these games, whereas KJ was the opposite.


... mainly due to the difference in their conditioning, I believe. They could both excel at handling pressure and rising to the moment, but one of them was physically prepared to do so and the other often was unprepared to do so.

bwgood77 wrote:And if KJ was the guy needed to run the offense through in the 4th which proved most effective, I do think it would have been most effective to do so the whole game. Was it always necessary? No, but it likely would have improved overall chemistry to some extent.


I agree with you in general, and Cotton Fitzsimmons did somewhat reorient the offense in that direction after he took over as Phoenix's head coach (for the third time) in January 1996. On the other hand, if a team acquires a player of Barkley's caliber and talent, it does need to place the ball in his hands a fair amount and give him a fair amount of post-ups and "isos." And the Suns still ran a good amount of pick-and-roll with Kevin Johnson, usually with Barkley but also with others. Phoenix's main two options during those years were posting up (or isolating) Charles Barkley and running the pick-and-roll with Kevin Johnson; the question was whether the offense would tilt in one direction or the other. Unlike Paul Westphal, Fitzsimmons tilted toward Kevin Johnson.

Barkley's presence usually created a much less free-flowing offense than had existed before, but the Suns' chemistry proved fine in my opinion. Years after being traded from Phoenix, Dan Majerle once talked about how he had taken the Suns' chemistry for granted, because he subsequently learned it was not necessarily that way elsewhere. The Suns' defense after 1993, however, and the perils of ball-stopping in the fourth quarters of playoff games, represented genuine plagues.
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Post#106 » by bigfoot » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:10 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

JMO

Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.


I would say the majority of fans really like Tucker and the work ethic he brings. There are just a few folks who constantly b*tch about him all the time. They put him under the microscope and rant about him leading fast breaks. They completely miss the rebounds, hustle, steals, and defense he willingly plays against any position on the court (1 to 5). Most of the time there wouldn't even be an opportunity to fast break if he didn't get the rebound or steal. These type of fans seem to only want a 20+ point scorer at ever starter position or they are unhappy. For example, they love Booker to death but fail to recognize the kid is one of the worst defenders at his position. They really should focus on other things than watching the ball go through the hoop because there is way more to the game than scoring.
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Post#107 » by Saberestar » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:47 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:
Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

JMO

Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.


I would say the majority of fans really like Tucker and the work ethic he brings. There are just a few folks who constantly b*tch about him all the time. They put him under the microscope and rant about him leading fast breaks. They completely miss the rebounds, hustle, steals, and defense he willingly plays against any position on the court (1 to 5). Most of the time there wouldn't even be an opportunity to fast break if he didn't get the rebound or steal. These type of fans seem to only want a 20+ point scorer at ever starter position or they are unhappy. For example, they love Booker to death but fail to recognize the kid is one of the worst defenders at his position. They really should focus on other things than watching the ball go through the hoop because there is way more to the game than scoring.

I have always said that Tucker has a place on our roster and even on a contender and he can be efficient...on a lesser role.

I would like to watch him on our team the next few years BUT coming from the bench and playing around 18 minutes per game, not more than that. He is a good role player.
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Post#108 » by JMac1 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:04 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:
Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

JMO

Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.


He certainly is not our only problem but I think I have plenty of support on my side of the fence. He is a lousy shooter and playmaker as well as an over rated defender. He can't finish on the break and makes poor decisions. Most teams have an athletic freak at the 3 that are very good shooters and or finishers or lock down defenders.

If he is the lock down defender some suggest I would love to see the stats to back it up. If he is then I will eat the proverbial crow. With the injuries and the poor roster we sported this season he had to be played.

If we ever expect to be relevant going forward with him starting at the 3, we are dreaming.

JMO


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Post#109 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:46 pm

I had never even heard about Atkinson being on the radar of being a head coach, but...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/alanhahn/status/721793327251787781[/tweet]

Seems there is widespread praise for his ability to develop players..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/721774054105952256[/tweet]
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Post#110 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:17 pm

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BobbieL wrote:I still think Love would be a good trade target. But without Kieff - I am not sure what we would need to go to Cleveland. Granted, the Suns can take on his contract I do believe.

Do the Cavs want Brandon Knight? As no way is that guy starting over Booker. NO. WAY

As for the Coach, I am fine with Watson. And what I mean by fine is guys like Brooks and McHale don't excite me. I like Mark Jackson but in reading about Watson - they are brining the game kind of "style " to the team - meaning, maybe not strong on X's and O's but strong on building a culture of how to win in the NBA. Thibs - he should go to a team like Minny with more talent than Phoenix. So, why not give Earl another year with a good veteran assistant. Either way, its the roster that will be the key


The Cavaliers would have no interest in Knight, and I still believe that Love is a vital player for Cleveland, as seen this afternoon. He is to the Cavaliers what Chris Bosh was to those Miami teams with LeBron James: people become obsessed with the (understandable and logical) decline in his numbers and lose sight of how he changes the games spatially and skill-wise for that offense.


Yes, if he keeps this up...

His impact was never more apparent than it was in the fourth quarter Sunday. The Cavs, the heavy favorite in the series as the No. 1-seeded team in the East, fell down by seven points with 11:09 remaining to the No. 8-seeded Pistons.

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue called timeout. Rather than overhaul the lineup and pull Love from the game -- which became a habit for his predecessor, David Blatt, in late-game situations -- Lue not only kept him in, but played him at center for nearly the entire rest of quarter.

The radical decision to keep Love in at the 5 and run the offense through him with their play, "elbow wedge short," that sets Love up for high-post touches, worked like a charm.

Not only was Love's game activated, but Detroit's All-Star center Andre Drummond was rendered ineffective as a rim protector because he was drawn away from the basket to try to defend Love.

"Kevin at the 5 is tough for them to try to defend," Lue said. "That play, I think we manufactured probably 10 points in a row just running that play alone. It was a big play for us and putting Kevin at the 5 was a big adjustment for us."....

....Before the game, Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy was asked about the possibility of the series taking on a small-ball tone. "Us? We would try to stay away from it," he said. "It's not something that we would want to do. We would want to stay big as much as we can and try to play through it."

Afterward, all Van Gundy could do was lament how Love hurt his team by allowing the Cavs to unleash the very small-ball look he was afraid of.

"He spreads floor out and it makes it tough in pick-and-rolls for your 5s to get out there," he said. "We didn't cover [Love] well, even when we do cover, then we've got our center away from basket. We've got the best rebounder in the game and we're playing him 25 feet [from the basket]."


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Post#111 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:29 pm

I guess the Wolves interviewed Thibs over the weekend and are interviewing JVG today.
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Post#112 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:06 pm

We're probably gunna be left with slim pickings. There is an overabudance a of vacancies around the league(possibly a third) and suitors won't lineup for this job as their first choice we will be the last resort if spurned. Hopefully we can poach one of Kenny Atkinson, Messina, Udoka or Boylen but I doubt they want to take on the challenge of turning around this dumpsterfre
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Post#113 » by bwgood77 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:08 pm

saintEscaton wrote:We're probably gunna be left with slim pickings. There is an overabudance a of vacancies around the league(possibly a third) and suitors won't lineup for this job as their first choice we will be the last resort if spurned. Hopefully we can poach one of Kenny Atkinson, Messina, Udoka or Boylen but I doubt they want to take on the challenge of turning around this dumpsterfre


I kinda doubt we will poach Kenny Atkinson. He looks to want an even bigger challenge.
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Post#114 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:40 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:We're probably gunna be left with slim pickings. There is an overabudance a of vacancies around the league(possibly a third) and suitors won't lineup for this job as their first choice we will be the last resort if spurned. Hopefully we can poach one of Kenny Atkinson, Messina, Udoka or Boylen but I doubt they want to take on the challenge of turning around this dumpsterfre


I kinda doubt we will poach Kenny Atkinson. He looks to want an even bigger challenge.


Whoops forgot to take him of the list, wonder if he was given an consideration , at least we own our picks for the forseeable future. Also the Knicks were going after Walton but looks like he wants to stay. Maybe it was Phil Jackson's stubbornness sticking with the triangle offense?
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Post#115 » by Damkac » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:32 pm

bigfoot wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Puff wrote:For everyone that wants Watson as head coach, just remember that he thinks that playing Bledsoe, Knight and Booker together will work out well. I quite frankly agree with him. Remember also that he appears to have a love affair with Tucker, I don't. We really need to move on from Tucker, like right now. He may be Mr. hustle for 4 straight years but he also has been the captain of our April fishing trip each of those years. I really think that SF is our by far our weakest position. If we do not trade for or draft someone that can play the 3, then either Warren has to become more than just a scorer or Booker needs to get minutes at the 3. Obviously we all hope the Warren is our answer, I am just not convinced.

I expect that the biggest question that any potential head coach has to answer for Ryan is whether or not they can make a back court of Bledsoe and Knight work. If they answer yes, they are a candidate. If they answer no, the interview is over. This is the main reason that Watson is at the top of McDonough's list.

JMO

Everyone knows by now I'm pro-Tucker so I really don't understand the hate. He has his faults but he's by far the fundamental issue plaguing us the last 4 years but posters such as yourself seem to always put him right up there as one of the main causes for our suckage.


I would say the majority of fans really like Tucker and the work ethic he brings. There are just a few folks who constantly b*tch about him all the time. They put him under the microscope and rant about him leading fast breaks. They completely miss the rebounds, hustle, steals, and defense he willingly plays against any position on the court (1 to 5). Most of the time there wouldn't even be an opportunity to fast break if he didn't get the rebound or steal. These type of fans seem to only want a 20+ point scorer at ever starter position or they are unhappy. For example, they love Booker to death but fail to recognize the kid is one of the worst defenders at his position. They really should focus on other things than watching the ball go through the hoop because there is way more to the game than scoring.

I think it is more about his age than his scoring ability. Suns fans prefer to see young guys with potential like Warren (when healthy) playing over Tucker who won't be better than he is. If Tucker was role player on good team I'm sure fans would love him for his energy but he is not a good fit on a rebuilding team.
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Post#116 » by Matt1979 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:00 pm

Wolves already interviewing HC's...... Why aren't we???

I'd love Thibs but we'll lose out one the best available and get the scraps.
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Post#117 » by Gorilla Warfare » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:01 am

Thibs wants full control of the Wolves franchise. Given the Wolves recent history they're probably going to allow it and hire him.
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Post#118 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:26 am

saintEscaton wrote:Whoops forgot to take him of the list, wonder if he was given an consideration , at least we own our picks for the forseeable future. Also the Knicks were going after Walton but looks like he wants to stay. Maybe it was Phil Jackson's stubbornness sticking with the triangle offense?


... might be more the caliber and composition of New York's roster ...
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Post#119 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:28 am

bigfoot wrote:I would say the majority of fans really like Tucker and the work ethic he brings. There are just a few folks who constantly b*tch about him all the time. They put him under the microscope and rant about him leading fast breaks. They completely miss the rebounds, hustle, steals, and defense he willingly plays against any position on the court (1 to 5). Most of the time there wouldn't even be an opportunity to fast break if he didn't get the rebound or steal. These type of fans seem to only want a 20+ point scorer at ever starter position or they are unhappy. For example, they love Booker to death but fail to recognize the kid is one of the worst defenders at his position. They really should focus on other things than watching the ball go through the hoop because there is way more to the game than scoring.


Well, considering the popularity and hype surrounding players such as Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, and Amar'e Stoudemire over the years ...
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Post#120 » by letsgosuns » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:12 am

There are a few reasons why I dislike Tucker. The first is his offense. Now obviously he is not in the game for his scoring but he is just awful at putting the ball in the basket. He is in the bottom half of the league for scoring among small forwards. He is ranked 35th. Now you might say okay he is about in the middle, but that is not the whole story. He plays a lot of minutes. When you look at scoring per 48 minutes among all the small forwards, Tucker is ranked 51 out of 56. That is pathetic. There are only five small forwards who score less per 48 minutes than him. And he has been the Suns starting small forward for a long time now. I am tired of watching his uselessness on offense every game.

Secondly, his basketball IQ is almost non-existant. Watching his poor decision making for years now has gotten extremely old and it is impossible to win with a player as stupid as him. Bad at scoring coupled with a low IQ is a recipe for disaster.

Thirdly, he is not a good leader. He does not set a good example. I get that he plays hard and dives for loose plays and battles but so what. He does so many stupid things like freak out on the refs or have off the court issues like his super extreme DUI. I also remember how many people were mocking him for eating nachos at the Summer League (I did not think it was a big deal), but just like when I think of a true leader like Nash or Grant Hill, Tucker is nothing like that. His overall talent level is so low and every time I see his face, I am reminded of Lance Blanks and the continuation of the Suns not being in the playoffs for six years and counting. I want him off the team and for the Suns to move in a different direction. And there is no way I believe that getting rid of Tucker could possibly make the Suns any worse because they already suck so much.

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