The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[76ciology]

In his QF series (4 games) he averaged 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists on 10/29 FG.

43% for 3 and 89% FT. While having the whole Pao defense concentrated on him. And don't forget he was the only capable to take the ball on off the first 2 games.

He will have more space today thanks to the return of Llull. He will probably be guarded by Kurbanov and Clyburn who are both great defenders. He averaged 17,5 pts 5,5 reb 4 ast 2,5 steals and 2 TO in the 2 games they've played against CSKA this year

Doncic’s show great upside as a shooter,
looking at his FT%. Shooting is the most valued trait for a PG, add playmaking to that and you got a surefire star player

[JMac1]

When you listen to the PROS like Tom Chambers, man.... He said you draft for offense and teach defense, not the other way around. He also said the big man isn’t dead, ask Anthony Davis. He said there aren’t any, but Ayton is one. He said James Jones thinks the same way, because he spoke with him.

[JMac1]

In his QF series (4 games) he averaged 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists on 10/29 FG.

43% for 3 and 89% FT. While having the whole Pao defense concentrated on him. And don't forget he was the only capable to take the ball on off the first 2 games.

He will have more space today thanks to the return of Llull. He will probably be guarded by Kurbanov and Clyburn who are both great defenders. He averaged 17,5 pts 5,5 reb 4 ast 2,5 steals and 2 TO in the 2 games they've played against CSKA this year

Doncic’s show great upside as a shooter,
looking at his FT%. Shooting is the most valued trait for a PG, add playmaking to that and you got a surefire star player

Well trade Embiid for the number 2 then.

[JMac1]

I am aware of his measurments. Too bad basketball IQ can't be measured so we would have at least one number that is higher with Doncic than with Ayton.

After watching the tape from Arizona I hate it how I am looking at the offense and trying to discover Ayton and than in the next 2 seconds he comes. Yes he is built like Atlas but he isn't the runner some of you would like him to be

Yeah, centers are usually the last down the floor unless it's a fast break. Miller actually runs a motion offense like Kokoskov. Ayton was very successful as the focal point despite poor passing from the perimeter.

There is a huge difference in Bagley's running and in Ayton's. If Ayton would be half the runner and had half the motor of Bagley I wouldn't doubt he would be the number 1

But now I am 100% sure that your pick will be Luka

[Fo-Real]

Ayton is the pick. I'm gonna wind up on the news if not.

Please don’t jump off a bridge into traffic, rush hour is already bad enough.

No promises!

[JMac1]

This hasn't been mentioned very much until Lukas's post above, but talking about positionless basketball, we have Brandon Knight who can bring the ball up and play off the ball. I know everyone has written him off after his poor performance in the 2016-17 season, but he was coming off the bench for Earl Watson. Let him be the starter again and I can see him easily putting up 15-17 points, 5 assists, 4 boards. With the addition of Ayton, Knight's resurgence, and another summer of developing our youth, I think we might be able to squeeze into the playoffs. Booker said this is the last year he isn't making it, so he's putting a lot of pressure upon himself, but I don't doubt him.

Oh, I haven’t given up on Knight yet. He can shoot and handle the ball. Scrappy defense. Why not try him out this year?

[jcsunsfan]

When you listen to the PROS like Tom Chambers, man.... He said you draft for offense and teach defense, not the other way around. He also said the big man isn’t dead, ask Anthony Davis. He said there aren’t any, but Ayton is one. He said James Jones thinks the same way, because he spoke with him.

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

[Years90Suns]

I hope McD and Kokoskov and the rest of the guys involved in this have more information to decide. Sometimes a personal interview is the key to one decision or another.

Probably Ayton is the common sense pick, but some mocks even place Doncic as low as 5th.

A few years from now we will think about this. What could have been... if Doncic ends up in Sacramento, probably his developement will not be the same one as the development he could have had here, or in Memphis, or in Dallas... so, who knows...
We could take Ayton and be a disaster, or take Bagley and be a success.

The only thing I do not want is not being certain about who to choose. Last year decision of picking Bender and Chriss was a bad decision, IMO.

I hope we begin the season with something like this:

XXX
Booker
Jackson
Chriss
Chandler
------------
Knight
XXX
Warren
Bender
Ayton
Williams

I would try to get a good team oriented PG for Chriss.

[TheLogician]

When you listen to the PROS like Tom Chambers, man.... He said you draft for offense and teach defense, not the other way around. He also said the big man isn’t dead, ask Anthony Davis. He said there aren’t any, but Ayton is one. He said James Jones thinks the same way, because he spoke with him.

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

Agree, you draft for talent. On a similar note, did anyone see this from a couple months ago? Chuck said Ayton was the best college player in the last 25 years. Bill Walton said the same thing. I know those guys have a lot of hot takes but I love 'em both.

Starts at 3:56

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[Mjee]

At the age 19, Ayton is better than both Hakeem and Patrick Ewing (when they were 19). As a GM, with the number one pick, you don't pass on that potential!

[BobbieL]

When you listen to the PROS like Tom Chambers, man.... He said you draft for offense and teach defense, not the other way around. He also said the big man isn’t dead, ask Anthony Davis. He said there aren’t any, but Ayton is one. He said James Jones thinks the same way, because he spoke with him.

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

Agree, you draft for talent. On a similar note, did anyone see this from a couple months ago? Chuck said Ayton was the best college player in the last 25 years. Bill Walton said the same thing. I know those guys have a lot of hot takes but I love 'em both.

Starts at 3:56

Watch on YouTube

This is the way I see it. Doncic probably will have a higher floor - maybe 5th floor but lower ceiling. 9th floor. Aytons floor could be like the 3rd - I mean. But the ceiling can go way past Doncic - 10+.

The safer pick is Ayton though. He has the physical build, the height, etc. Plus he does have basketball skills offensively, I think he passes decent and rebounder. Needs to work on defense. But not the only rookie that will need that

A guy like Doncic - with Booker and Jackson is enticing. Three guys, near the same height, that can handle the ball. Doncic will probably only get better as a shooter.

I get why the pick will be Ayton and the thought of Booker, Jackson and Ayton, all three levels is good. But for some reason, I still like the Doncic pick slightly better - like 55/45 today for Doncic. If he truly has the basketball IQ that people say he has - that is hard to pass up.

[Bob8]

I believe in a week or two Ayton will be in consideration for the best C prospect ever.

[King4Day]

Sounds like Memphis may be interested in dealing their pick. But only because Ayton and Doncic would have already been taken.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1546339

[JMac1]

When you listen to the PROS like Tom Chambers, man.... He said you draft for offense and teach defense, not the other way around. He also said the big man isn’t dead, ask Anthony Davis. He said there aren’t any, but Ayton is one. He said James Jones thinks the same way, because he spoke with him.

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

He said it’s easier to learn defense than offense.

[JMac1]

I believe in a week or two Ayton will be in consideration for the best C prospect ever.

As well he should. I know you are being facetious, however, he is a skilled specimen no matter how you spin it. Also......19! As been mentioned, people are comparing 19 year old Ayton with all time greats in their prime, Not 19.

It’s not like he is all athlete. If his motor and IQ is system caused versus attitude, then him with a motor and JJ with a shot= Championship contenders coming soon...

[jcsunsfan]

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

Agree, you draft for talent. On a similar note, did anyone see this from a couple months ago? Chuck said Ayton was the best college player in the last 25 years. Bill Walton said the same thing. I know those guys have a lot of hot takes but I love 'em both.

Starts at 3:56

Watch on YouTube

This is the way I see it. Doncic probably will have a higher floor - maybe 5th floor but lower ceiling. 9th floor. Aytons floor could be like the 3rd - I mean. But the ceiling can go way past Doncic - 10+.

The safer pick is Ayton though. He has the physical build, the height, etc. Plus he does have basketball skills offensively, I think he passes decent and rebounder. Needs to work on defense. But not the only rookie that will need that

A guy like Doncic - with Booker and Jackson is enticing. Three guys, near the same height, that can handle the ball. Doncic will probably only get better as a shooter.

I get why the pick will be Ayton and the thought of Booker, Jackson and Ayton, all three levels is good. But for some reason, I still like the Doncic pick slightly better - like 55/45 today for Doncic. If he truly has the basketball IQ that people say he has - that is hard to pass up.

Ayton has a higher floor and a higher ceiling than Doncic. His present skills and athleticism alone make him a top five center the moment he walks onto the court. Of course, injuries could change everything, but he has no history of injuries.

David Robinson was five years older than Ayton as an NBA rookie. College freshman David Robinson would not have started on the UofA team. I am not saying that Ayton is going to be better than Robinson (Robinson grew a lot during college) but its not an apples and apples comparison. Ayton all the way.

[Bob8]

I believe in a week or two Ayton will be in consideration for the best C prospect ever.

As well he should. I know you are being facetious, however, he is a skilled specimen no matter how you spin it. Also......19! As been mentioned, people are comparing 19 year old Ayton with all time greats in their prime, Not 19.

It’s not like he is all athlete. If his motor and IQ is system caused versus attitude, then him with a motor and JJ with a shot= Championship contenders coming soon...

oh, man.

things are getting totally out of hands, time to say goodbye.

[Villalobos]

bye

[bwgood77]

I wasn’t coming in here hostile if anybody thinks that, I’m just a Kong’s fan interested in what you guys want and need at 1. We are linked together now having 1 and 2 so I’m in here seeing who you guys love.

As for us we’re mostly split I think between Ayton/Doncic and it’s a win win for us. I have Doncic at 1 and would love a future small ball lineup with him at PF.

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Well some think it's in the realm of possibility we end up both, and I think the only way that happens is if we become KingSuns, so we may as well just go with that.

Our board was high on both most of the year (not all were high on both) but it was pretty evenly split for who liked who. Doncic won early polls with more options, then with only them two as options, they tied, then later Doncic won, and now after getting the #1 pick, Ayton is winning, though it includes more votes, some assuredly from other fanbases. It does seem some people who were previously leaning Doncic have switched to Ayton and less so the other way around.

But for some of us it's very close. Personally I was kind of hoping we got two (and that our GM had these guys 1/2 for sure) so we could just pick who was left.

I most def did. I was on the Doncic wagon for months. I don't think I ever truly believed we would land the top pick. The moment we did, I had a change of heart. Part of it, which I know is the worst way of thinking, is that I worry if we don't take the consensus best player (that experts believe at least) that we could go years or decades of hearing "what could have been?"

If we take Ayton, nobody will ever bat an eye if he busts and Doncic rules the NBA for 10 years.
But if we take Doncic, and Ayton becomes a generational player, it would be a massive hard pill to swallow.
I hold out hope that Ayton can fix his defensive flaws when paired with a great player developer in Igor and a vet like Chandler.

It would be nice to have him work with KG for defense and Hakeem to fine tune his offense. At his age, he's still able to be molded.

So if you were on the Doncic wagon for months, and then suddenly you change your mind after getting the pick to go against your personal views to follow consensus, and the consensus player busts and the guy who's wagon you were on for months ruled the NBA for the next 10 years, nobody bats an eye? That wouldn't be a hard pill for you to swallow?

I don't think either busts, but if I went against my gut to follow a crowd and learn that was the wrong decision and my gut had been right all along to me that would be the bigger killer.

[TheLogician]

I am all about Ayton. But its funny that Tom Chambers would say that. I bet Scottie Pippen would say the opposite.

Agree, you draft for talent. On a similar note, did anyone see this from a couple months ago? Chuck said Ayton was the best college player in the last 25 years. Bill Walton said the same thing. I know those guys have a lot of hot takes but I love 'em both.

Starts at 3:56

Watch on YouTube

This is the way I see it. Doncic probably will have a higher floor - maybe 5th floor but lower ceiling. 9th floor. Aytons floor could be like the 3rd - I mean. But the ceiling can go way past Doncic - 10+.

The safer pick is Ayton though. He has the physical build, the height, etc. Plus he does have basketball skills offensively, I think he passes decent and rebounder. Needs to work on defense. But not the only rookie that will need that

A guy like Doncic - with Booker and Jackson is enticing. Three guys, near the same height, that can handle the ball. Doncic will probably only get better as a shooter.

I get why the pick will be Ayton and the thought of Booker, Jackson and Ayton, all three levels is good. But for some reason, I still like the Doncic pick slightly better - like 55/45 today for Doncic. If he truly has the basketball IQ that people say he has - that is hard to pass up.

I've come to a slightly different conclusion. I used to think Doncic had the higher floor but now I think Ayton has at least an equal floor as well as the higher ceiling. My reasoning is Doncic's skills are well defined at 19. He's going to shoot and create shots for others. He has great intangibles that make him valuable on a winning team. Therefore, his floor is like a 7 which removes him from bust conversation, but on the other hand, his ceiling is probably 8 assuming he can become a decent defender. Ayton also shoots and creates opportunities for his teammates on top of providing immediate rebounding. His footwork, agility, and body are already at an elite level so he doesn't need to hit the gym for a couple of seasons. The intangibles might not be as good as Doncic but they aren't lacking in general. He has the versatility to play multiple positions and room to grow into a two-way player. I'd say his floor is also a 7 but his ceiling is undefined.